that's true, good for the couple of matte iMacs 24 I have still value.
but a real shame such superb machines are marred by the no matte option and that rather off putting black border. eff that border apple and make it and to end screen as a mac should be.
again shame for the no matte option.
Did you watch the video with Joni Ive? Who wrote that script for him- Steve Jobs himself? He talking about the glass to the borders and the image - while he's showing a glossy screen with mascara raccoon iborder?
None that come with a computer that is available retail, mostly on FireGL or Quadro, and good luck trying to find a DP display. Displayport has had years and its not gaining any traction. Even Apple's efforts haven't been able to jump start it. I'm sorry, but HDMI is the connector that's moving forward.
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
For anyone still thinking the 27" iMac is expensive.
1. If a 27" LED-backlit IPS display with 2560x1440 resolution did exist as a standalone product, you could probably never find one that would cost less than 1000 dollars.
2. If 1 is true, then rest of the top-of-the-line 27" iMac costs 1000 dollars.
3. I don't think it's possible to build your own box for 1000 dollars.
I think sargeantjackass (his name escapes me and I can't be bothered to go back a few pages to find it) tried to get a price tag on a computer with similar components and concluded that a computer similar to the iMac but without a display would cost 1100-1200 dollars.
Of course, this is a flawed price analysis because he thinks he's getting a better deal by already having a display laying around in his closet. Sure he's paying less for the computer, but that's akin to saying that one can build an even cheaper computer if one had a few HDDs, an ODD, some RAM, and a mobo laying around in one's closet, and all that's left to pay is the CPU.
You can't make a computer price comparison if you omit a component...especially if it's the most expensive component.
One can certainly argue that most consumers don't need such a high-quality display though. But then, one could argue many things such as not needing a quad-core CPU all the way to not needing 1TB of storage.
What is relevant here is that building a PC that has the *exact* specs as the 27" iMac would probably cost the same or more. The 27" iMac would almost certainly be sexier since it's a sleek all-in-one while the PC would be a beige box with a bunch of wires going from the box to the display and the box and display to a outlet.
TBH, the 27" iMac is probably the best deal to come from Apple since the Mac Pro (2006) and I doubt we'll see a deal like that from Apple for a loooong time.
excelent post. possibly the best in this thread. you can't even find a 27 led ips screen for less than $2000, let alone a whole computer. again shame for the no matte thing.
None that come with a computer that is available retail, mostly on FireGL or Quadro, and good luck trying to find a DP display. Displayport has had years and its not gaining any traction. Even Apple's efforts haven't been able to jump start it. I'm sorry, but HDMI is the connector that's moving forward.
YOu can't explain that to many fanboys here. If Apple doesn't give offer then they think you don't need it.
And if you want it- you're labeled -a COMPLAINER!!
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
Blu-ray in more households before display port ever penetrates.
I think this iMac is a work on progress. It should get where it should be in another year- after Apple make a bundle off the uninformed.
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
You ever seen a guy/gal with 2000 movies? They take up a LOT of space so one also could say that with digital files or physical files both take up space. A 2TB HDD is what 199 bucks now? No real worries there.
2,000 movies at 4 gigs each is 8 TB , dude!! Where you gonna store you pics, music and taxes?
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
For anyone still thinking the 27" iMac is expensive.
1. If a 27" LED-backlit IPS display with 2560x1440 resolution did exist as a standalone product, you could probably never find one that would cost less than 1000 dollars.
The 27" dell is S-PVA but I'm gonna guess they'll start using the same 27" IPS panel for 2010.
And LG will release their own 27" IPS to replace the 26" W2600HP S-IPS. I think that retailed for around $900 (600?)
For $1079 you can get the 30" dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC which is IPS.
Still, it's a good point. Given that it has displayport in you can keep using this as a monitor if you wanted. Not quite sure what the rest of the machine would be doing then though.
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
No - you stated you ddn't think they thought of using the iMac as a display. You we're referencing it to a MacBook? I missed that somewhere.
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
Oh god- bad penny is back.
Do you know how to read?
original question:
Quote:
Does anyone know if the new iMac can also be used as an external monitor?
And he said no. Oh why do I bother with your denseness.
Blu-ray in more households before display port ever penetrates.
Blu-ray penetration means absolutely nothing. HDMI is tapped out for the most part in regards to bandwidth.
The iMac 27" is Apple second display that's above HD resolution (the 30" being the other of course) this is going to be a trend going forward. Even HDMI 1.4 has limited bandwith for future computer displays (it does hirez but only 24fps)
Note the weakness once you get to 36 bits per pixel HDMI can't do over 24 fps unless it drops back to 2k resolution. At 4k resolution it's only suitable for cinema playback.
So it doesn't really matter how much Blu-ray or HDMI penetration exists today because the roadmap of HDMI is running out of steam and will fail once we have 10/12/14 bit displays for sale.
Several thoughts after following this thread now for 14 pages!
1) No event? Pretty substantial changes and new stuff without an event to trump them is surprising to me.
2) Goodbye NVIDIA, it was nice knowing you. Once the Arrandale stuff arrives I bet Apple won't have any machines with NVIDIA products.
2) The Magic Mouse looks pretty interesting to me, ie I may actually like and use it. But like seemingly all Apple mice it'll be polarizing. Some will love, some will hate.
3) The iMac, the high end model, finally is desk top class in performance. While it is expensive, as KKS points out it's really a pretty good value. I don't see Gateway, Dell or HP making an AIO that touches this for a while. The other iMac models are less exciting, IMO.
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
My HP LP2475w H-IPS 24" has DVI and DisplayPort. It's a sweet display that I got for $399 at onsale.com.
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that's true, good for the couple of matte iMacs 24 I have still value.
but a real shame such superb machines are marred by the no matte option and that rather off putting black border. eff that border apple and make it and to end screen as a mac should be.
again shame for the no matte option.
Did you watch the video with Joni Ive? Who wrote that script for him- Steve Jobs himself? He talking about the glass to the borders and the image - while he's showing a glossy screen with mascara raccoon iborder?
Anyone know if the new iMac can also be used as an external monitor?
If so, is there any way to hook up a DVI macbook to it?
Thanks.
Yes, but only the 27? model. It has the mini-DisplayPort in feature.
The displayport is output only to a 2nd monitor. I don't think they saw using an iMac as just a display.
Then why the VESA mount?
I think this iMac is a work on progress. It should get where it should be in another year- after Apple make a bundle off the uninformed.
None that come with a computer that is available retail, mostly on FireGL or Quadro, and good luck trying to find a DP display. Displayport has had years and its not gaining any traction. Even Apple's efforts haven't been able to jump start it. I'm sorry, but HDMI is the connector that's moving forward.
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
For anyone still thinking the 27" iMac is expensive.
1. If a 27" LED-backlit IPS display with 2560x1440 resolution did exist as a standalone product, you could probably never find one that would cost less than 1000 dollars.
2. If 1 is true, then rest of the top-of-the-line 27" iMac costs 1000 dollars.
3. I don't think it's possible to build your own box for 1000 dollars.
I think sargeantjackass (his name escapes me and I can't be bothered to go back a few pages to find it) tried to get a price tag on a computer with similar components and concluded that a computer similar to the iMac but without a display would cost 1100-1200 dollars.
Of course, this is a flawed price analysis because he thinks he's getting a better deal by already having a display laying around in his closet. Sure he's paying less for the computer, but that's akin to saying that one can build an even cheaper computer if one had a few HDDs, an ODD, some RAM, and a mobo laying around in one's closet, and all that's left to pay is the CPU.
You can't make a computer price comparison if you omit a component...especially if it's the most expensive component.
One can certainly argue that most consumers don't need such a high-quality display though. But then, one could argue many things such as not needing a quad-core CPU all the way to not needing 1TB of storage.
What is relevant here is that building a PC that has the *exact* specs as the 27" iMac would probably cost the same or more. The 27" iMac would almost certainly be sexier since it's a sleek all-in-one while the PC would be a beige box with a bunch of wires going from the box to the display and the box and display to a outlet.
TBH, the 27" iMac is probably the best deal to come from Apple since the Mac Pro (2006) and I doubt we'll see a deal like that from Apple for a loooong time.
excelent post. possibly the best in this thread. you can't even find a 27 led ips screen for less than $2000, let alone a whole computer. again shame for the no matte thing.
None that come with a computer that is available retail, mostly on FireGL or Quadro, and good luck trying to find a DP display. Displayport has had years and its not gaining any traction. Even Apple's efforts haven't been able to jump start it. I'm sorry, but HDMI is the connector that's moving forward.
YOu can't explain that to many fanboys here. If Apple doesn't give offer then they think you don't need it.
And if you want it- you're labeled -a COMPLAINER!!
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
Blu-ray in more households before display port ever penetrates.
Then why the VESA mount?
I think this iMac is a work on progress. It should get where it should be in another year- after Apple make a bundle off the uninformed.
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
You ever seen a guy/gal with 2000 movies? They take up a LOT of space so one also could say that with digital files or physical files both take up space. A 2TB HDD is what 199 bucks now? No real worries there.
2,000 movies at 4 gigs each is 8 TB , dude!! Where you gonna store you pics, music and taxes?
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
For anyone still thinking the 27" iMac is expensive.
1. If a 27" LED-backlit IPS display with 2560x1440 resolution did exist as a standalone product, you could probably never find one that would cost less than 1000 dollars.
The 27" dell is S-PVA but I'm gonna guess they'll start using the same 27" IPS panel for 2010.
And LG will release their own 27" IPS to replace the 26" W2600HP S-IPS. I think that retailed for around $900 (600?)
For $1079 you can get the 30" dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC which is IPS.
Still, it's a good point. Given that it has displayport in you can keep using this as a monitor if you wanted. Not quite sure what the rest of the machine would be doing then though.
I thought he's asking if the iMac can be used as a display (only) for his macbook. That would require a video input, no? Why does a VESA mount help him?
No - you stated you ddn't think they thought of using the iMac as a display. You we're referencing it to a MacBook? I missed that somewhere.
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
Oh god- bad penny is back.
Do you know how to read?
original question:
Does anyone know if the new iMac can also be used as an external monitor?
And he said no. Oh why do I bother with your denseness.
Yah, the only thing missing is HDMI in.
Mini DisplayPort for video input and output (adapters sold separately);
Blu-ray in more households before display port ever penetrates.
Blu-ray penetration means absolutely nothing. HDMI is tapped out for the most part in regards to bandwidth.
The iMac 27" is Apple second display that's above HD resolution (the 30" being the other of course) this is going to be a trend going forward. Even HDMI 1.4 has limited bandwith for future computer displays (it does hirez but only 24fps)
Note the weakness once you get to 36 bits per pixel HDMI can't do over 24 fps unless it drops back to 2k resolution. At 4k resolution it's only suitable for cinema playback.
So it doesn't really matter how much Blu-ray or HDMI penetration exists today because the roadmap of HDMI is running out of steam and will fail once we have 10/12/14 bit displays for sale.
Yes eventually DVD will be phased out, but not before Blu-ray is phased out.
More like not before DisplayPort is phased out.
1) No event? Pretty substantial changes and new stuff without an event to trump them is surprising to me.
2) Goodbye NVIDIA, it was nice knowing you. Once the Arrandale stuff arrives I bet Apple won't have any machines with NVIDIA products.
2) The Magic Mouse looks pretty interesting to me, ie I may actually like and use it. But like seemingly all Apple mice it'll be polarizing. Some will love, some will hate.
3) The iMac, the high end model, finally is desk top class in performance. While it is expensive, as KKS points out it's really a pretty good value. I don't see Gateway, Dell or HP making an AIO that touches this for a while. The other iMac models are less exciting, IMO.
Anyway, my random take away thoughts.
By itself it wouldn?t. As usual Teckstud?s brain is reality adjacent. As I stated above and as you can see in the Tech Specs on Apple?s website the 27? has a mDP input so you can connect a MB to it with a DVI to mBP adapter. You can even connect a TiVo, cable box, PS3, etc.
Rockin; learned something - thanks.
ATI is putting DisplayPort outputs on all (so far) of their new 5000-series graphics cards. Dell and Samsung are putting DP inputs on many of their new high-end displays.
DisplayPort will replace DVI. It's just going to take a long time for that to happen.
My HP LP2475w H-IPS 24" has DVI and DisplayPort. It's a sweet display that I got for $399 at onsale.com.