The rest of the world has high-end Nokia N-series phones because when they sign a contract, they get them for free (or really really cheap). They are used as high-end feature phones, nothing more and nothing less.
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
He didn’t say it wasn’t well established. He stated that “it's the iPhone that really got the wave going in the smartphone business.” That is true. It was the stagnant, carrier controlled market that even allowed Apple to compete with a smartphone. Nokia’s CEO has admitted as much.
It is the same thing, there has been, and was large numbers of smartphone sales prior to Apple being involved in the market.
And when you provide statements, you should provide the link
I think there are some other statements, and perhaps better articles, but that should be enough to prove my point.
No, it doesn't prove anything. The original poster said that the iPhone started the wave, but the articles you posted said the Nokia CEO was 'parnoid', and 'it was a wake up call', very different.
No, it doesn't prove anything. The original poster said that the iPhone started the wave, but the articles you posted said the Nokia CEO was 'parnoid', and 'it was a wake up call', very different.
You asked me to provide proof that Nokia?s CEO admitted that Apple started a wave. In other words has become a threat and/or shock up or changed the cellular industry. I provided two links that undoubtedly show that Apple?s presence before the iPhone launch AND after have created a wave.
You asked me to provide proof that Nokia?s CEO admitted that Apple started a wave. In other words has become a threat and/or shock up or changed the cellular industry. I provided two links that undoubtedly show that Apple?s presence before the iPhone launch AND after have created a wave.
Started a wave, and become a threat are different. Yes he said he was worried about them, but I didn't hear him said that had started a wave.
Started a wave, and become a threat are different. Yes he said he was worried about them, but I didn't hear him said that had started a wave.
Just let it go or admit you were wrong instead of using semantics to look even more silly. A threat is more worrisome than a new device that simply causes a change, because a threatening device also causes a change, just with more potential devastation to the competition. Look at the whole industry. Apple started a wave in the cellular business among vendors and carriers, that much is clear.
Just let it go or admit you were wrong instead of using semantics to look even more silly. A threat is more worrisome than a new device that simply causes a change, because a threatening device also causes a change, just with more potential devastation to the competition. Look at the whole industry. Apple started a wave in the cellular business among vendors and carriers, that much is clear.
I won't admit I'm wrong, because I don't believe I am.
But you on the other hand, start thinking outside of the US, Apple has not started a wave with the carriers.
Either you paid $300-$500 or you agreed to extend your cell service (contract) for 1-3 years and paid $0-$50.
Think outside the US, not every country uses a dollar, I purchased my phone outright, it is fully functional, and fully unlocked, I have no contract, and do not want a contract as it has no benefit over my current rates.
But you on the other hand, start thinking outside of the US, Apple has not started a wave with the carriers.
Now you are moving your argument to just carriers that are outside the US? Nothing I said stipulated that the wave had to affect every carrier and vendor worldwide. A wave in one pool doesn?t have to affect other pools, yet it?s still a wave.
I have no contract, and do not want a contract as it has no benefit over my current rates.
I would rather have no contract and pay for my device outright, however in the US "it has no benefit over my current rates” so we are pretty forced to go with the subsidized model. It’s actually cheaper to cancel your contract and pay the cancelation fee than to by the iPhone outright. It still won’t be unlocked, but that isn’t much of a hurdle and should be changing in the US soon enough.
Now you are moving your argument to just carriers that are outside the US? Nothing I said stipulated that the wave had to affect every carrier and vendor worldwide. A wave in one pool doesn?t have to affect other pools, yet it?s still a wave.
Well considering AT&T has less than 3% of the worlds mobile connections, you can't call it a wave
If it's not used as a smartphone, then it's just an empty useless label.
So you can guarantee that all of Nokia's smartphones are not used in a smartphone type situation? If you can you are lying as I use my in that way, and so do a lot of other people.
But then again, the iPhone is in the same situation, yes you have a number of people using the mobile web on it, but like in all situations that will be a small amount making up the most usage.
Apples App store downloads are an example of the fact the uptake isn't as high as people make out.
I would rather have no contract and pay for my device outright, however in the US "it has no benefit over my current rates? so we are pretty forced to go with the subsidized model. It?s actually cheaper to cancel your contract and pay the cancelation fee than to by the iPhone outright. It still won?t be unlocked, but that isn?t much of a hurdle and should be changing in the US soon enough.
If that is the case, not much of a wave with the carriers then. With an unlocked phone, you should be able to go onto a contract rate with the carrier of your choice with no fixed term
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The rest of the world has high-end Nokia N-series phones because when they sign a contract, they get them for free (or really really cheap). They are used as high-end feature phones, nothing more and nothing less.
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
He didn’t say it wasn’t well established. He stated that “it's the iPhone that really got the wave going in the smartphone business.” That is true. It was the stagnant, carrier controlled market that even allowed Apple to compete with a smartphone. Nokia’s CEO has admitted as much.
It is the same thing, there has been, and was large numbers of smartphone sales prior to Apple being involved in the market.
And when you provide statements, you should provide the link
It is the same thing, there has been, and was large numbers of smartphone sales prior to Apple being involved in the market.
And when you provide statements, you should provide the link
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
That really wasn't my point. My point is that they aren't used as smartphones.
The largest market for linux is in China --- doesn't mean anything. They aren't used as linux phones, they aren't used as smartphones.
I think there are some other statements, and perhaps better articles, but that should be enough to prove my point.
No, it doesn't prove anything. The original poster said that the iPhone started the wave, but the articles you posted said the Nokia CEO was 'parnoid', and 'it was a wake up call', very different.
That really wasn't my point. My point is that they aren't used as smartphones.
The largest market for linux is in China --- doesn't mean anything. They aren't used as linux phones, they aren't used as smartphones.
They aren't used as smartphones? Does it really matter, how many laptops are uses as portable computers? Do we splitting reporting on them as well?
No, it doesn't prove anything. The original poster said that the iPhone started the wave, but the articles you posted said the Nokia CEO was 'parnoid', and 'it was a wake up call', very different.
You asked me to provide proof that Nokia?s CEO admitted that Apple started a wave. In other words has become a threat and/or shock up or changed the cellular industry. I provided two links that undoubtedly show that Apple?s presence before the iPhone launch AND after have created a wave.
You asked me to provide proof that Nokia?s CEO admitted that Apple started a wave. In other words has become a threat and/or shock up or changed the cellular industry. I provided two links that undoubtedly show that Apple?s presence before the iPhone launch AND after have created a wave.
Started a wave, and become a threat are different. Yes he said he was worried about them, but I didn't hear him said that had started a wave.
Started a wave, and become a threat are different. Yes he said he was worried about them, but I didn't hear him said that had started a wave.
Just let it go or admit you were wrong instead of using semantics to look even more silly. A threat is more worrisome than a new device that simply causes a change, because a threatening device also causes a change, just with more potential devastation to the competition. Look at the whole industry. Apple started a wave in the cellular business among vendors and carriers, that much is clear.
They aren't used as smartphones? Does it really matter, how many laptops are uses as portable computers? Do we splitting reporting on them as well?
If they aren't used as smartphones, then all the statistics are just pure garbage.
Nokia never had much of the real smartphone market --- worldwide.
I have never signed a contract for any of my Nokia Smartphones, they are smartphones.
Either you paid $300-$500 or you agreed to extend your cell service (contract) for 1-3 years and paid $0-$50.
Just let it go or admit you were wrong instead of using semantics to look even more silly. A threat is more worrisome than a new device that simply causes a change, because a threatening device also causes a change, just with more potential devastation to the competition. Look at the whole industry. Apple started a wave in the cellular business among vendors and carriers, that much is clear.
I won't admit I'm wrong, because I don't believe I am.
But you on the other hand, start thinking outside of the US, Apple has not started a wave with the carriers.
If they aren't used as smartphones, then all the statistics are just pure garbage.
Nokia never had much of the real smartphone market --- worldwide.
What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia
Either you paid $300-$500 or you agreed to extend your cell service (contract) for 1-3 years and paid $0-$50.
Think outside the US, not every country uses a dollar, I purchased my phone outright, it is fully functional, and fully unlocked, I have no contract, and do not want a contract as it has no benefit over my current rates.
But you on the other hand, start thinking outside of the US, Apple has not started a wave with the carriers.
Now you are moving your argument to just carriers that are outside the US?
What are you going on about? The smartphone market is Nokia
If it's not used as a smartphone, then it's just an empty useless label.
I have no contract, and do not want a contract as it has no benefit over my current rates.
I would rather have no contract and pay for my device outright, however in the US "it has no benefit over my current rates” so we are pretty forced to go with the subsidized model. It’s actually cheaper to cancel your contract and pay the cancelation fee than to by the iPhone outright. It still won’t be unlocked, but that isn’t much of a hurdle and should be changing in the US soon enough.
Now you are moving your argument to just carriers that are outside the US?
Well considering AT&T has less than 3% of the worlds mobile connections, you can't call it a wave
If it's not used as a smartphone, then it's just an empty useless label.
So you can guarantee that all of Nokia's smartphones are not used in a smartphone type situation? If you can you are lying as I use my in that way, and so do a lot of other people.
But then again, the iPhone is in the same situation, yes you have a number of people using the mobile web on it, but like in all situations that will be a small amount making up the most usage.
Apples App store downloads are an example of the fact the uptake isn't as high as people make out.
I would rather have no contract and pay for my device outright, however in the US "it has no benefit over my current rates? so we are pretty forced to go with the subsidized model. It?s actually cheaper to cancel your contract and pay the cancelation fee than to by the iPhone outright. It still won?t be unlocked, but that isn?t much of a hurdle and should be changing in the US soon enough.
If that is the case, not much of a wave with the carriers then. With an unlocked phone, you should be able to go onto a contract rate with the carrier of your choice with no fixed term