Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
In my brief encounter with the G2, I was really quite underwhelmed with Android. It's just not well thought out compared with iPhone OS.
Built from the ground up from Linux. It?s completely free to use. Google is saving on ad revenue costs from other people?s browser. Perhaps even avoidance of paying anything to Apple or others?
I think he was referring to possible patent infringement on the part of Android. To be honest, I'm not familiar enough with the details of Apple's patents to know.
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
Because it is an alternative to the iPhone. At the time it came out, Palm and Blackberry phones were the other options. Yes they had some apps, but they couldn't do many fun things like render HTML properly. The software didn't get pushed to its limits, the hardware was blah. The iPhone revolutionized all that. Im happy for that, but I don't want an iPhone, I don't want ATT.
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I personally am upset with ATT with the bullshit they put me through. With ATT, There were dead zones on my university campus, I could walk 1.5 miles across campus before my phone would even join the network again, and I tried power-cycling it too. They said their (corporate generated) map showed I should have full coverage. I didn't. Sitting in my room, a roommate on All-tel and another of Tmobile both had reception where ATT didn't. So after trying to work on this for a month, including upgrading a phone and sim card, everything, I gave up and switched to something I knew that worked. THEN ATT released a commercial with the mix of cities their phones worked in. My city was one of them. I stopped trying with ATT. Tmobile has treated me nicely every time I call them up. No problems, No complaints. And Im saving money on my plan, compared to some people i know.
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Why is the Android so special? Because it is a phone that finally does everything I want. It receives emails, shows text messages in conversation form, renders HTML properly, syncs my contacts, email and calendar. Now, If I add something to my calendar from any one of my computers (iCal), Google Calendar or my G1, it will sync with the other two. IF i happen to lose my phone, which has happened once, I haven't lost my contacts, email or calendar. If/When i get a replacement, it will resync all 3 of those. It has apps that I love, and I can customize it. I use google maps religiously trying to learn how to navigate downtown chicago. I can take pictures/video and update them. Yes I know everything an iPhone does, But not everyone wants an iPhone. Believe it or not.
I am not starting a flame war, my rant about ATT is my own personal experience, not yours. I understand there are people happy with ATT who hate Tmobile, but that is their experience. I am an apple enthusiast, except for when it comes to the iPhone. I don't own one and don't need to own one. I think its awesome what it does, but it isn't a product I want. My roommate bought one and she hates it.
Yes my android might be playing catch up, but the iPhone wasn't perfect its first couple versions. I have an Android, and I love it. Granted, there are little things I hate, but my experience overall rates as the best phone I've ever had.
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
More productivity than iPhone.
iPhone is a wonderful game and multimedia gadget but, for my needs, it doesn't compete with Android in work tasks.
PNS it's a joe compared with the notification system of Android. Having local alarms implies that the phone doesn't have to be online to trigger an alarm (tasks, todos, etc). Background applications implies that I choose in any moment which applications are self updating (Facebook, Twitter, etc).
I can receive and email while listening to Spotify, change the application, do the things needed and no one applications is closed.
And the battery life of the Hero lasts a lot more than the battery of my 3G
When I look at the average user of the iPhone, what they like the most about the iPhone is the simplicity of use. The user interface is intuitive to use. No need to read a user manual... just a simple video or sales person demo at the ATT or Apple store will do.
The iPhone software is stable, rarely crashes.
The hardware design is simple... only one main button to use! The iPhone can be anything the app demands. Without the mechanical keyboard, I can use it is several languages and characters.
The other phones like the Android, Pre, and Windows Mobile may have some distinct features... the majority of people do not use them. Apple has successful in the market because of the mass market appeal... what the majority wants.
The Pre has turned to be a dud. I did not see the Android flying off the T-Mobile shelves. The store in my neighborhood is dead most of the time. It will get shelf space with VZ along with a bunch of other phones. Why should it stand out?
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
The Pre & Android are simply overhyped curiosities that will mainly appeal to the geeks and techies. Time will tell whether the masses will adopt them.
What these folks seem to refuse to see from their basement monitors is that the iPhone provides an end-to-end user experience and does not try to have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink features that the competitors are attempting to do. How many times in other areas does that failure have to happen before people begin to get a clue? It's why Apple's product appeals to the masses. Because it is simple to use and people appreciate the attention to details.
Doesn't matter... those ego's will rationalize it one way or another that their way is the only way.
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
The Pre & Android are simply overhyped curiosities that will mainly appeal to the geeks and techies. Time will tell whether the masses will adopt them.
What these folks seem to refuse to see from their basement monitors is that the iPhone provides an end-to-end user experience and does not try to have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink features that the competitors are attempting to do. How many times in other areas does that failure have to happen before people begin to get a clue? It's why Apple's product appeals to the masses. Because it is simple to use and people appreciate the attention to details.
Doesn't matter... those ego's will rationalize it one way or another that their way is the only way.
It's amazing how easy is insulting others choices. Geeks, fanbois, basement monitors.
Sometimes I'm embarrased of having Apple products because those comments. People which have chosen not using some Apple product are geeks, fanbois, nerds, etc.
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
Blinded with all your insults you fail to see that Android is quite similar to iPhone in the "ease-of-use" category. I wouldn't say it is equal, but pretty close. iPhone feels more "polished", first time Android users who came from iPhone background might be puzzled by the abundance of the buttons (five of them !!), but essentially it is still the same experience. Fast responses, intuitive, great messaging (Android is superior in that regard) and browser. Android excels in multitasking, it is done right and is intuitive. Hate if an app takes me to the browser on iPhone, there is no way back, I have to go through home - hate this. As mentioned above, Android has far superior notification system, that works offline, too.
For me the most interesting feature is that Android tries to force developers to be collaborative and leverage work of the others and offer their functions for sharing, sharp contrast to monolithic approach of iPhone. Last but not least, Android Market actually outperforms AppStore (in the respective time since its launch).
In every aspect, it is a very serious competition to iPhone.
I second the define most. Apple easily owns several hundred patents related to the iPhone. The only thing Apple pays Microsoft for is Exchange. I know Apple licenses Ericsson's patents. Nokia is complaining that Apple isn't paying it for the use of it's patents.
I too am excited to hear about how Microsoft's patents exceed Apple's own. Please provide some links if you can.
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Originally Posted by al_bundy
microsoft and a few other companies own most of the IP for iphone OS and Android. Google is an Active Sync licensee just like Apple
you just proved there is nothing special about it. everything you said you like doing on the android phone can be done on the iphone and it has better touch interface. and in australia i think you would love the iphone because you can use it with ALL carriers. Cheers
right right - how many millions of downloads? how many polished apps? how many purchases? please provide some stats to back up your claims.
It could be true. For a little while the PS3 "outperformed" the PS2 (in the respective time since its launch). The problem is that both the PS2 and the iPhone app store ramped quickly after that initial period. That and no one really cares about "respective time since launch" if it doesn't overtake the competition. It's kinda like beating Lance Armstrong for the 1st couple stages of the tour de france. Mkay, that's nice. Didya beat him to the finish line? Only 2 guys did his 1st year back from retirement...
I have a Palm Pre, and it has one major thing that I wish they would add to the iPhone:
Integrated messaging.
From one application, you can SMS and IM, on several IM networks.
Out of the box the iPhone can only text. Not everyone I message from my phone is on text! Integrated messaging is what attracted me to the Pre. Why the heck can't Apple implement this?
This is the feature I'd miss most if I went from the Pre to the iPhone. I like most things about the Pre; the OS could be a bit faster but I'm sure they will fix that.
(You'll notice that I don't really root for any one platform. I want iPhone, WebOS and Android to all succeed, so we have healthy competition in the marketplace. It would SUCK for any one of them to become completely dominant; we learned that lesson on computers with Windows.)
right right - how many millions of downloads? how many polished apps? how many purchases? please provide some stats to back up your claims.
The comparison of the stats has been published on various places, I guess it was also mentioned here. Should I really search it for you ?
And note, talking about the relative time from the start of the respective app markets, not the current state of AppStore (which is definitely a success for Apple). I leave the initial "all we need is Safari web applications" iPhone period out.
It could be true. For a little while the PS3 "outperformed" the PS2 (in the respective time since its launch). The problem is that both the PS2 and the iPhone app store ramped quickly after that initial period. That and no one really cares about "respective time since launch" if it doesn't overtake the competition. It's kinda like beating Lance Armstrong for the 1st couple stages of the tour de france. Mkay, that's nice. Didya beat him to the finish line? Only 2 guys did his 1st year back from retirement...
I never said the Android Market will keep it up...it remains to be seen how they will fare from now on. It is cheaper than Apple and - arguably - easier to develop for Android (since it is Java based) so it might be on par if enough developers see the money can be made on the platform. We'll see.
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There are plenty 3rd party picture dialers for iPhone. I use Fun Dialer.
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
In my brief encounter with the G2, I was really quite underwhelmed with Android. It's just not well thought out compared with iPhone OS.
Built from the ground up from Linux. It?s completely free to use. Google is saving on ad revenue costs from other people?s browser. Perhaps even avoidance of paying anything to Apple or others?
I think he was referring to possible patent infringement on the part of Android. To be honest, I'm not familiar enough with the details of Apple's patents to know.
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android?
It is most likely to be Windows Mobile killer. That's what's special about Android.
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
Because it is an alternative to the iPhone. At the time it came out, Palm and Blackberry phones were the other options. Yes they had some apps, but they couldn't do many fun things like render HTML properly. The software didn't get pushed to its limits, the hardware was blah. The iPhone revolutionized all that. Im happy for that, but I don't want an iPhone, I don't want ATT.
<rant>
I personally am upset with ATT with the bullshit they put me through. With ATT, There were dead zones on my university campus, I could walk 1.5 miles across campus before my phone would even join the network again, and I tried power-cycling it too. They said their (corporate generated) map showed I should have full coverage. I didn't. Sitting in my room, a roommate on All-tel and another of Tmobile both had reception where ATT didn't. So after trying to work on this for a month, including upgrading a phone and sim card, everything, I gave up and switched to something I knew that worked. THEN ATT released a commercial with the mix of cities their phones worked in. My city was one of them. I stopped trying with ATT. Tmobile has treated me nicely every time I call them up. No problems, No complaints. And Im saving money on my plan, compared to some people i know.
</rant>
Why is the Android so special? Because it is a phone that finally does everything I want. It receives emails, shows text messages in conversation form, renders HTML properly, syncs my contacts, email and calendar. Now, If I add something to my calendar from any one of my computers (iCal), Google Calendar or my G1, it will sync with the other two. IF i happen to lose my phone, which has happened once, I haven't lost my contacts, email or calendar. If/When i get a replacement, it will resync all 3 of those. It has apps that I love, and I can customize it. I use google maps religiously trying to learn how to navigate downtown chicago. I can take pictures/video and update them. Yes I know everything an iPhone does, But not everyone wants an iPhone. Believe it or not.
I am not starting a flame war, my rant about ATT is my own personal experience, not yours. I understand there are people happy with ATT who hate Tmobile, but that is their experience. I am an apple enthusiast, except for when it comes to the iPhone. I don't own one and don't need to own one. I think its awesome what it does, but it isn't a product I want. My roommate bought one and she hates it.
Yes my android might be playing catch up, but the iPhone wasn't perfect its first couple versions. I have an Android, and I love it. Granted, there are little things I hate, but my experience overall rates as the best phone I've ever had.
The CMDA Telephony and no GSM Telephony seems to narrow the scope for this platform around the globe.[/url]
Android has been used in GSM networks long before it can be used in CDMA networks
Can somebody tell me what is special about the Android? Other than the multitasking, I found the phones hard to use. The user interface was not as intuitive. The phone froze a few times.... sold by TMobile.
More productivity than iPhone.
iPhone is a wonderful game and multimedia gadget but, for my needs, it doesn't compete with Android in work tasks.
PNS it's a joe compared with the notification system of Android. Having local alarms implies that the phone doesn't have to be online to trigger an alarm (tasks, todos, etc). Background applications implies that I choose in any moment which applications are self updating (Facebook, Twitter, etc).
I can receive and email while listening to Spotify, change the application, do the things needed and no one applications is closed.
And the battery life of the Hero lasts a lot more than the battery of my 3G
When I look at the average user of the iPhone, what they like the most about the iPhone is the simplicity of use. The user interface is intuitive to use. No need to read a user manual... just a simple video or sales person demo at the ATT or Apple store will do.
The iPhone software is stable, rarely crashes.
The hardware design is simple... only one main button to use! The iPhone can be anything the app demands. Without the mechanical keyboard, I can use it is several languages and characters.
The other phones like the Android, Pre, and Windows Mobile may have some distinct features... the majority of people do not use them. Apple has successful in the market because of the mass market appeal... what the majority wants.
The Pre has turned to be a dud. I did not see the Android flying off the T-Mobile shelves. The store in my neighborhood is dead most of the time. It will get shelf space with VZ along with a bunch of other phones. Why should it stand out?
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
The Pre & Android are simply overhyped curiosities that will mainly appeal to the geeks and techies. Time will tell whether the masses will adopt them.
What these folks seem to refuse to see from their basement monitors is that the iPhone provides an end-to-end user experience and does not try to have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink features that the competitors are attempting to do. How many times in other areas does that failure have to happen before people begin to get a clue? It's why Apple's product appeals to the masses. Because it is simple to use and people appreciate the attention to details.
Doesn't matter... those ego's will rationalize it one way or another that their way is the only way.
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
The Pre & Android are simply overhyped curiosities that will mainly appeal to the geeks and techies. Time will tell whether the masses will adopt them.
What these folks seem to refuse to see from their basement monitors is that the iPhone provides an end-to-end user experience and does not try to have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink features that the competitors are attempting to do. How many times in other areas does that failure have to happen before people begin to get a clue? It's why Apple's product appeals to the masses. Because it is simple to use and people appreciate the attention to details.
Doesn't matter... those ego's will rationalize it one way or another that their way is the only way.
It's amazing how easy is insulting others choices. Geeks, fanbois, basement monitors.
Sometimes I'm embarrased of having Apple products because those comments. People which have chosen not using some Apple product are geeks, fanbois, nerds, etc.
The Pre & Android fanbois on this thread seem to believe what is good for them must be good for the masses. As in the past, they will get another taste of how the real-world actually is.
Blinded with all your insults you fail to see that Android is quite similar to iPhone in the "ease-of-use" category. I wouldn't say it is equal, but pretty close. iPhone feels more "polished", first time Android users who came from iPhone background might be puzzled by the abundance of the buttons (five of them !!), but essentially it is still the same experience. Fast responses, intuitive, great messaging (Android is superior in that regard) and browser. Android excels in multitasking, it is done right and is intuitive. Hate if an app takes me to the browser on iPhone, there is no way back, I have to go through home - hate this. As mentioned above, Android has far superior notification system, that works offline, too.
For me the most interesting feature is that Android tries to force developers to be collaborative and leverage work of the others and offer their functions for sharing, sharp contrast to monolithic approach of iPhone. Last but not least, Android Market actually outperforms AppStore (in the respective time since its launch).
In every aspect, it is a very serious competition to iPhone.
I too am excited to hear about how Microsoft's patents exceed Apple's own. Please provide some links if you can.
microsoft and a few other companies own most of the IP for iphone OS and Android. Google is an Active Sync licensee just like Apple
Because it is an alternative to the iPhone.
you just proved there is nothing special about it. everything you said you like doing on the android phone can be done on the iphone and it has better touch interface. and in australia i think you would love the iphone because you can use it with ALL carriers. Cheers
More productivity than iPhone
And the battery life of the Hero lasts a lot more than the battery of my 3G
OK that's not true. not even possible. but that's OK - hype it up to justify the constant memory clogging and task management you have to do.
Last but not least, Android Market actually outperforms AppStore (in the respective time since its launch).
In every aspect, it is a very serious competition to iPhone.
right right - how many millions of downloads? how many polished apps? how many purchases? please provide some stats to back up your claims.
An eclair. Android versions all have food associated with them: 1.5 was Cupcake, 1.6 was Donut, 2.0 is Eclair, and 3.0 will be Flan (future release).
Version 7 will be Karmic Kreme.
Quick Contact allows you tap on picture to dial that person?
There are plenty 3rd party picture dialers for iPhone. I use Fun Dialer.
What happens when the person has 3 phone numbers? Which one does it dial when you click their picture?
right right - how many millions of downloads? how many polished apps? how many purchases? please provide some stats to back up your claims.
It could be true. For a little while the PS3 "outperformed" the PS2 (in the respective time since its launch). The problem is that both the PS2 and the iPhone app store ramped quickly after that initial period. That and no one really cares about "respective time since launch" if it doesn't overtake the competition. It's kinda like beating Lance Armstrong for the 1st couple stages of the tour de france. Mkay, that's nice. Didya beat him to the finish line? Only 2 guys did his 1st year back from retirement...
Integrated messaging.
From one application, you can SMS and IM, on several IM networks.
Out of the box the iPhone can only text. Not everyone I message from my phone is on text! Integrated messaging is what attracted me to the Pre. Why the heck can't Apple implement this?
This is the feature I'd miss most if I went from the Pre to the iPhone. I like most things about the Pre; the OS could be a bit faster but I'm sure they will fix that.
(You'll notice that I don't really root for any one platform. I want iPhone, WebOS and Android to all succeed, so we have healthy competition in the marketplace. It would SUCK for any one of them to become completely dominant; we learned that lesson on computers with Windows.)
right right - how many millions of downloads? how many polished apps? how many purchases? please provide some stats to back up your claims.
The comparison of the stats has been published on various places, I guess it was also mentioned here. Should I really search it for you ?
And note, talking about the relative time from the start of the respective app markets, not the current state of AppStore (which is definitely a success for Apple). I leave the initial "all we need is Safari web applications" iPhone period out.
It could be true. For a little while the PS3 "outperformed" the PS2 (in the respective time since its launch). The problem is that both the PS2 and the iPhone app store ramped quickly after that initial period. That and no one really cares about "respective time since launch" if it doesn't overtake the competition. It's kinda like beating Lance Armstrong for the 1st couple stages of the tour de france. Mkay, that's nice. Didya beat him to the finish line? Only 2 guys did his 1st year back from retirement...
I never said the Android Market will keep it up...it remains to be seen how they will fare from now on. It is cheaper than Apple and - arguably - easier to develop for Android (since it is Java based) so it might be on par if enough developers see the money can be made on the platform. We'll see.