First Look: Apple's 27" big screen iMac

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  • Reply 61 of 244
    Well since these machines have only one hard drive and no eSata, in audio you need three HDd. One for os, the other for recording and one more for samples and soft synths, I would like to see bench marks on how many tracks you can get with a second benchmarkseeing how many soft synths you can run for example, symphobia, EWQLSO, Omnisphere, Absynth, amplitube or guitar rig with three instances as most songs have at lesser 3 guitar track and tested from base line all the way up to the high end and see if you get any OVERLOAD errors.



    Thanks.

    PS you could get around the three HD problemwith a esata expres card now only on the 17" but FireWire will work to some degree. LOVE WHAT YOU DID TO THE SITE FOR IPHONE USERS NOW IF YOU COULD DO THE SAME FIR TGE FORUMS THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. Great job AI. If you could also impliment some sort or spell check fir iPhone users to that would be great. See prior sentence. Fir instead of for. Uggg.

    STILL A GREAT JOB INDEED!!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Apple has revamped the iMac with a huge, cinematic 16:9 27" screen, fast CPU options, standard wireless keyboard and Magic Mouse, a staggering 16GB RAM capacity, and a new video input feature.



    The screen



    The biggest feature of the new iMac is its massive screen, which jumps from the previous high end of 24" to 27" and delivers nearly the resolution (2560x1440) of the 30" Cinema Display HD (2560x1600). That's also nearly equivalent to four 13.3" MacBook screens (1280x800) in a single display (compare the photo below). The new iMac is priced $100 less than Apple's standalone big screen however, despite packing in a powerful computer and new LED backlighting.



    The new 27" iMac, along with its smaller 21.5" partner, also sport higher quality IPS LCD screen technology, resulting in spectacular color, contrast and wide viewing angles. Like previous models, the glossy screen is covered with a glass panel that extends across the entire top face of the unit.



    Last year, Apple was sued over its iMacs with cheaper, 6-bit TN ("twisted nematic") screens, which have a narrower viewing angle and less color accuracy and depth, because some users argued the screens were technically incapable of actually producing the "millions of colors" supported by their graphics cards. The latest models reverse the trend toward cheap displays and instead provide quality IPS ("in-plane switching") panels that deliver the much improved color and wide, 178 degree viewing angles.







    The new screens are also LED backlit (unlike the 30" Cinema Display HD), which means they turn on instantly and allow for finer grained control over brightness than conventional cold cathode fluorescent lamp backlighting. LED backlighting is also environmentally friendly because it uses no toxic mercury. Overall, the new machines also meet Energy Star 5.0 and EPEAT Gold standards for energy efficiency and environmentally-sound design, manufacturing, and use of recyclable materials.



    The new 27" display is backed by ATI Radeon HD 4670 (or for $150 more, the 4850) graphics hardware equipped with 256MB (or 512MB) of GDDR3 RAM. It supports video output up to 2560x1600, capable of driving a 30" Cinema Display HD. It supports VGA, DVI/HDMI and DisplayPort screens via its standard Mini DisplayPort connector.



    A new feature of the 27" iMac is its ability to act as a display for another DisplayPort computer. It is the first and currently the only Mac to support this new capability. The 21.5" iMac doesn't support video input and provides simpler NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics, the same as Apple's MacBook line and Mac mini.







    The power specs



    The base model ships with 4GB of 1066MHz PC-8500 DDR3 RAM and supplies 4 memory slots capable of expanding that up to 16GB. It also ships with a 1TB 7200 RPM SATA hard drive, which can be upgraded to a 2TB version, and an 8x dual layer DVD SuperDrive.



    The $1699 iMac comes equipped with a dual core 3.06GHz Core 2 Duo E7600 processor with 3MB of L2 cache, with the upgrade option of a 3.33GHz Core 2 Duo E8600 with 6MB of L2 cache for $200 more. A $1999 option upgrades the CPU to a "Nehalem" quad core 2.66GHz Core i5 750 processor, or for $200 more, a Core i7 860, both of which include 8MB of L3 cache. Apple benchmarks the high end Nehalem Core i7 as being up to 2.4 times faster than the Core 2 Duo.







    The iMac is equipped with a new SD card slot under the DVD drive, and back panel ports provide Gigabit Ethernet, Mini DisplayPort, Firewire 800, four USB 2.0 ports, and hybrid analog/optical digital audio input and output ports.



    It also has an IR receiver for use with an Apple Remote (not bundled; the new aluminum remote is a $19 option), a built-in iSight camera and microphone, Bluetooth and 802.11a/b/g/n wireless networking.







    Unboxing and accessories



    The new iMacs now come standard with a Bluetooth Wireless Keyboard and multitouch Magic Mouse. These can be traded for a compact or full sized (with numeric keypad) USB keyboard and/or a standard USB Apple Mouse (the same model that was formerly referred to as Mighty Mouse).







    The keyboard is virtually identical to the MacBook's built-in keyboard, and is slightly modified from Apple's original Bluetooth keyboard in that it now only uses two AA batteries and has moved the wireless receiver to the center of the back panel.



    The iMac ships in a simple box with styrofoam corners, including just a power cable and an accessory box that holds the keyboard, mouse, an introductory booklet, a screen wipe cloth, install and restore DVDs, stickers and regulatory information. A full review with performance benchmarks will be presented next week, so present any questions you'd like to see answered.



    Where to Buy



    Below is a table of iMac prices from leading Apple Resellers that was extracted from AppleInsider's MacPriceGuide. Currently, ClubMac is offering the lowest prices on the new all-in-one desktops, with savings of between $135 and $208 after a mail-in-rebate and an exclusive 3% discount available only to AppleInsider readers. However, this discount coupon expires at midnight (Oct. 31) and is unlikely return until some time next year.







    To see the 3 percent discount and achieve the final prices listed in the table above, you must first add an iMac to your shopping cart after clicking through the links in the table (above). The 3% discount is reflected as "Instant Discount(s)" during checkout at ClubMac, after the items have been placed in your shopping cart.



    For similar offers on the remainder of Apple's Mac product line, please see our full-fledged Mac Price Guide.



  • Reply 62 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    If you are one of those who finds that it tastes like garbage (or soap), it will always taste like that and there is nothing you can do about it short of inhabiting another body.



    Yeah, that's the way I feel about all cheese, seafood, and fish. \



    Cilantro, otoh.......
  • Reply 63 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    I totally agree with your post, but this example is not the best.



    The taste of Cilantro is a biological thing that depends on your genetic background.



    If you are one of those who finds that it tastes like garbage (or soap), it will always taste like that and there is nothing you can do about it short of inhabiting another body. Whereas many of those who complain about glossy screens could actually learn to like them if they weren't so damn picky and relaxed a little.



    Actully not ao true. Lol. Your taste buds can change. :-)
  • Reply 64 of 244
    Please, AI, could you get a better digital camera for taking the photos for your article???

    seriously, why don't you care???

    This article was even not a review, you admitted at the end that there was coming the real review next week.

    Any semi-professional or even a good one among the compacts can be more useful than these crap cellphone pictures with horrible lightings.
  • Reply 65 of 244
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    I'm with Apple on this one, as they are usually either setting the curve or way ahead of it.



    HDMI requires a talking and exchanging of keys for HDCP for content viewing, so you can't hook your PS3 or Xbox to a non-HDMI/HDCP compliant Mac and view (and record) content and I doubt adapter will ever come around, legally that is.



    Apple might have made the right choice staying out of the mess, they certainly can build thinner and lighter computers by trending to less mechanical/complicated devices.



    Of course HDCP isn't restricted to just HDMI, you can implement it across DVI and DP as well. And saying Apple made the right choice of staying out of it, have you forgotten that Apple has already implemented HDCP in Macs? Can you not remember the problems going around when Apple was incorrectly stopping the playing video through VGA adapters?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    The future does seem to be high capacity SD cards (SDXC) with up to whopping 2TB and speeds (according to my calculations) twice as fast as a 7,200 RPM hard drive.



    Maybe that's why Apple is installing SD ports on all it's machines.



    The future may be a long time away, those cards are not cheap, and will not be cheap for a long time. Also, I am getting confused, so many people saying Apple is purely into digital distribution now, if that is the case, they won't support HD video from SD
  • Reply 66 of 244
    I'd like to know specifically how the minidisplayport-in works. iMac on? iMac off? Both? Fast switch from video in to iMac like a KVM?
  • Reply 67 of 244
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cliphord View Post


    I often wonder if the "Blu-Ray disappointment" would be so great if Apple/tech rumors sites didn't insist it was coming this refresh. Who the hell buys Blu-Ray movies anyway?



    A lot of people do



    http://www.homemediamagazine.com/res...tle-year-17428
  • Reply 68 of 244
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    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    And you have used one (a glossy display) for more than a few minutes in your normal environment?



    I have a 13" MacBook Pro and absolutely hate the display. There is nowhere I can sit where I don't see distracting reflections during the daytime. Except for that, it's a pretty nice computer.
  • Reply 69 of 244
    dualiedualie Posts: 334member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Undo Redo View Post


    I have a 13" MacBook Pro and absolutely hate the display. There is nowhere I can sit where I don't see distracting reflections during the daytime. Except for that, it's a pretty nice computer.





    If you work in an environment where 5000K lighting is required, these glossy displays are simply unacceptable unless you also have a hood for it. Nice machine. Good for home use, which is what it is intended for. I personally love the display as long as it is in a dimly lit room with no windows (or pointed away from one). For professional use there is the Mac Pro with a third party display. There is simply no way anybody who knows what they are talking about will sit in front of one of these for eight hours with anything more than minimal glare coming off it. That means no overhead lighting whatsoever.
  • Reply 70 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    I'm with Apple on this one, as they are usually either setting the curve or way ahead of it.



    HDMI requires a talking and exchanging of keys for HDCP for content viewing, so you can't hook your PS3 or Xbox to a non-HDMI/HDCP compliant Mac and view (and record) content and I doubt adapter will ever come around, legally that is.



    Apple might have made the right choice staying out of the mess, they certainly can build thinner and lighter computers by trending to less mechanical/complicated devices.



    The future does seem to be high capacity SD cards (SDXC) with up to whopping 2TB and speeds (according to my calculations) twice as fast as a 7,200 RPM hard drive.



    Maybe that's why Apple is installing SD ports on all it's machines.



    HDCP has been used for a while now. Its pretty much used everywhere and even the GPU can control the HDCP, not to mention the disc format.
  • Reply 71 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    In iPhone OS 1.0 lots of people swore Apple wouldn't be successful because they had no intention of offering real applications. Apple never said they wouldn't offer them - they just weren't ready. The maturity of the SDK when it was released easily demonstrated that native applications were obviously planned from day one. But it's more fun to ascribe emotions like "evil" and then make your self self-important by thinking because you protested they listened and changed.







    Your absolutely right. It's purely for their enjoyment in denying people. It has nothing to do with fanatical attention to detail and a desire to control the end user experience for the better.







    If you honestly believe that, why are you even here?





    Here comes the smoke and mirrors. You were of course wrong about the video input and wrong about it being added later and wrong about this being simply a cable issue so now we have to try and distract by talking about something else.



    Simple fact. Apple is not using the standard the rest of the world uses, which is HDMI. Your not making the end user experience better when you are controlling everything the end user can do and cant do. You may like that but most of us do not.
  • Reply 72 of 244
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Your not making the end user experience better when you are controlling everything the end user can do and cant do. You may like that but most of us do not.





    I'm sorry, what was that bit about "most of us"? Didn't you mean most of YOU?



    Yes, Apple controls the user experience. 20 steps forward, 1 step back. Not a bad deal.





    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html



    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...g-industry.ars



    http://digg.com/apple/apple_leads_20...faction_survey



    http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/....no..1.on.csi/



    http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/a...he-experience/



    http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/...s-customerbase



    http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...stomer_sa.html



    http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts...ion-index/2553



    http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/22467/



    http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/



    http://www.macnn.com/news/25971



    http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/...action-survey/



    http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/arti...ff_the_charts/



    http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08...-satisfaction/



    http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iph...kings-in-japan



    http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high



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    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp



    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars



    http://www.osnews.com/story/15553



    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts



    http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/.../t-224872.html[/b]
  • Reply 73 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    I'm sorry, what was that bit about "most of us"? Didn't you mean most of YOU?



    Yes, Apple controls the user experience. 20 steps forward, 1 step back. Not a bad deal.





    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html



    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...g-industry.ars



    http://digg.com/apple/apple_leads_20...faction_survey



    http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/....no..1.on.csi/



    http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/a...he-experience/



    http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/...s-customerbase



    http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...stomer_sa.html



    http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts...ion-index/2553



    http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/22467/



    http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/



    http://www.macnn.com/news/25971



    http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/...action-survey/



    http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/arti...ff_the_charts/



    http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08...-satisfaction/



    http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iph...kings-in-japan



    http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high



    http://www.jdpower.com/business/rati...tphone-ratings



    http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2248040/...ps-top-billing



    http://www.eweek.com/prestitial.php?...453807%2f&ref=



    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp



    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars



    http://www.osnews.com/story/15553



    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts



    http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/.../t-224872.html[/b]



    As always your a day late and a dollar short and not even on close to the topic we are talking about. I see you didnt want to answer my display port question so yet again smoke and mirrors to try and distract from something you cant answer. Also see you still cant think for yourself.
  • Reply 74 of 244
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    As always your a day late and a dollar short and not even on close to the topic we are talking about. I see you didnt want to answer my display port question so yet again smoke and mirrors to try and distract from something you cant answer. Also see you still cant think for yourself.



    DisplayPort. I'm aware of the issue.



    Small potatoes compared to the big picture. It can be an annoyance. And?? Are you really hung up on just the DisplayPort issue?



    OR . . are you trying to paint the Apple ecosystem with the DisplayPort brush? Based on your MO, it's the latter.
  • Reply 75 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    DisplayPort. I'm aware of the issue.



    Small potatoes compared to the big picture. It can be an annoyance. And?? Are you really hung up on just the DisplayPort issue?



    OR . . are you trying to paint the Apple ecosystem with the DisplayPort brush? Based on your MO, it's the latter.



    Its small to you because you appear to like having your every move controlled and having someone else think of you. You enjoy SJ telling you what you want instead of thinking for yourself.



    Hard to debate that it wouldn't nice to hook up a PS3 to the new iMac. Or for that matter any device outside another Apple product. Might not be an issue for you that secludes himself in an all Apple world.



    By the way seeing you are so big on usless links why not give me one that shows all this full HD 1080p content you were talking about. I would actually find that interesting to see.
  • Reply 76 of 244
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macmondo View Post


    Please, AI, could you get a better digital camera for taking the photos for your article???

    seriously, why don't you care???

    This article was even not a review, you admitted at the end that there was coming the real review next week.

    Any semi-professional or even a good one among the compacts can be more useful than these crap cellphone pictures with horrible lightings.



    Except for the first picture, I don't see anything in the pictures that would tell me that the camera is bad. In fact, it looks like the others are taken using different cameras, even in different surroundings. The others look pretty nice. I doubt you can get that kind of shallow depth of field with a cell phone camera.



    If the lighting is bad, what you do to fix that is buy a light kit, not a camera kit.
  • Reply 77 of 244
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    .. ....



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    its small to you because you appear to like having your every move controlled and having someone else think of you.



    i chose to allow apple to do that. They have yet to let me down enough to make me leave. And as you have seen, millions upon millions of others feel the same way. And i don't mean people trapped in the little apple fansite bubble.



    you enjoy sj telling you what you want instead of thinking for yourself.



    i do enjoy it. Actually i made the decison to go with apple and let them dictate the experience. I don't recall someone else makng the decision for me.



    hard to debate that it wouldn't nice to hook up a ps3 to the new imac. Or for that matter any device outside another apple product. Might not be an issue for you that secludes himself in an all apple world.



    and it would be nice to be able to do x and y and z with a mac, too. But in light ot what we're getting, it's a costs vs. Benefits analysis. Seems the benefits are pretty good. As you've seen the evidence. And you don't need me to tell you about people lining up to enjoy these benefits, now do you? Apple's recession performance has been in the news for quite some time now.



    By the way seeing you are so big on usless links why not give me one that shows all this full hd 1080p content you were talking about. I would actually find that interesting to see.



    you and i both know where you can get all that content. And there are mountains upon mountains of it there. Enough to fill several terabytes of space with easily.



    Useless links that demonstrate facts. The links are only "useless" when they don't support your specualtion, conjecture and anecdotal opinions that you masquerade as fact.




  • Reply 78 of 244
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woei View Post


    I'm a bit confused by this statement. Does this mean that the card can drive an external monitor up to a resolution of 2560x1600, next to the iMacs's own native 2560x1440 resolution, or that the total maximum resolution is limited to 2560x1600 ?



    Concretely, since I already own a 24" ACD screen (mini-display port), I'm wondering whether I can attach it to a 27" iMac to get a grand total resolution of 4480x2640, and do so at reasonable performance.



    I know, it would be a rather obscene resolution. A couple of years ago I was still stuck at 800x600 on a 15" CRT. How times change :-)







    Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display

    from www.apple.com/imac/specs.html






    Also having a monitor with a resolution of 2560x1440 and another with a resolution of 1920x1200 won't get you a total resolution of 4480x2640.

    It will get you 4480x1320 (1320 being the middle of 1200 and 1440), so it will not nearly quadruple, it will be just doubled.
  • Reply 79 of 244
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    you and i both know where you can get all that content. And there are mountains upon mountains of it there. Enough to fill several terabytes of space with easily.



    Which is amusing when we have people willing to pay top dollar to buy a computer but won't pay anything at all to pay for the media that it plays.
  • Reply 80 of 244
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    Which is amusing when we have people willing to pay top dollar to buy a computer but won't pay anything at all to pay for the media that it plays.



    This is true.
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