It’s a camera in a thin phone; don’t expect miracles! Either accept the limitation, buy a different phone, or buy a real camera. I bet you still think that Apple didn’t include video on the first two iPhones so you’d be forced to buy the 3GS when it came out.
While I am perfectly happy with my iPhone, having a flash would be a nice added feature. I don't settle for the status quo as you do nor do I find it unreasonable that a cellphone in 2009 could or should have a flash. Apple didn't include video on the first 2 iPhones and they weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for it- plain and simple. Even you can read charts and graphs, I would assume.
My phone is 4mm thinner than the 3Gs, has a flash (twin LED), 5MP sensor, autofocus and takes 720x480 30fps video and the quality of both stills and video is excellent. The OS isn't as good though.
Miracles can happen.
How can he not think a flash possible on the iPhone? in 2010? Maybe he has it confused with flash as in Adobe!
Apple didn't include video on the first 2 iPhones and they weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for it- plain and simple.
Even I?m surprised that you?d say there is a one-to-one correlation to the iPhone adding video and the increased sales. I?m sure it had nothing to do with the overall increase of smartphone sales, the increase in other HW and the better features in iPhone v3.0 to go along with the better HW. Absolutely nothing at all. It?s surely only a ?big success? because Apple added a video camera - "plain and simple.? I bet you think that you were the one that also got Apple to add it and increase the storage capacity by crying on this forum day in and day out about it.
Is the slit alongside the camera hole for a camera flash? I and many others need to take pictures in low light. It was a pain pushing people under lights on Halloween.
I would have imagined a person with your," cough, cough, sophistication" would have a "working" digital camera for, you know, taking pictures . .... also, is "pushing people under lights on Halloween" the same as "pushing Apple under the bus all the time"?
Even I’m surprised that you’d say there is a one-to-one correlation to the iPhone adding video and the increased sales. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the overall increase of smartphone sales, the increase in other HW and the better features in iPhone v3.0 to go along with the better HW. Absolutely nothing at all. It’s surely only a “big success” because Apple added a video camera - "plain and simple.” I bet you think that you were the one that also got Apple to add it and increase the storage capacity by crying on this forum day in and day out about it.
Wel if you had any reading comprehension skills you would have noticed that I never mentioned that it was video ONLY that caused the increase in sales. But obviously it helped and has been Apple's biggest advertising feature on it ( it was on the first page of Apple's website for months) and reviews of it highlighted it as well as the main new feature. Hello-anybody home?
You were the same person who screeched "get a video camera instead, its too small to work on the iPhone". Now you're saying the same thing all over again for a flash. You'll see. It will happen and you will eat yet another bale of crow.
I would have imagined a person with your," cough, cough, sophistication" would have a "working" digital camera for, you know, taking pictures . .... also, is "pushing people under lights on Halloween" the same as "pushing Apple under the bus all the time"?
Well I meant placing people.... and I have changed it.
I use my camera to take pictures and videos all the time as some people use theirs to listen to music or watch their stock quotes (ahem, any guesses folks as to who that might be?) all day. Different strokes for different folks. I don't want to carry 2 devices and a simple flash is not that big a deal- trust me. Don't listen to solipsism - he makes it seem like it's a technical feat equivalent to landing a man on the moon.
Wel if you had any reading comprehension skills you would have noticed that I never mentioned that it was video ONLY that caused the increase in sales. But obviously it helped and has been Apple's biggest advertising feature on it ( it was on the first page of Apple's website for months) and reviews of it highlighted it as well as the main new feature. Hello-anybody home?
You were the same person who said "get a video camera instead"- its too small to work on the iPhone. Now you're saying the same thing all over again for a flash. You'll see -. It will happen and you will eat yet another bale of crow.
I expected Flash in the 3GS, if you paid attention, you?d know that. What I didn?t expect, but you keep expecting is the same or better camera tech that is high-end Nokia phones to show up in the iPhone simply because you think Apple can do anything (or at least should do what your want when you want). As I keep telling you, don?t expect miracles -AND- if it doesn?t have it then deal with, don?t complain on every AI thread about it, even when the thread has nothing to do with it. Either buy it because it best suits your needs, don?t buy it because something else fits your needs better, or make your own.
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?...the first 2 iPhones [?] weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for [having a video camera]- plain and simple.?
If you included something about the increase in iPhone demand in general, the increase in smartphone demand in general, the other advances with the iPhone HW and/or OS, and if you hadn?t included the ?plain and simple? qualifier with impedes any additional complexity be added to your statement, I wouldn?t have thought otherwise. Can?t even comprehend his own writing. So sad.
PS: I expect some sort of night vision capable camera to come to the iPhone within 3 revision, hopefully sooner.
I expected Flash in the 3GS, if you paid attention, you’d know that. What I didn’t expect, but you keep expecting is the same or better camera tech that is high-end Nokia phones to show up in the iPhone simply because you think Apple can do anything (or at least should do what your want when you want). As I keep telling you, don’t expect miracles -AND- if it doesn’t have it then deal with, don’t complain on every AI thread about it, even when the thread has nothing to do with it. Either buy it because it best suits your needs, don’t buy it because something else fits your needs better, or make your own.
PS: I expect some sort of night vision capable camera to come to the iPhone within 3 revision, hopefully sooner.
Oh so now it clarifies itself- a "night vision capable camera"!
A FLASH- OK? Read my lips. I've never mention Nokia at all- ever! You keep bringing up Nokia- I don't. Flash on cellphone is not some earth shattering invention!! A $50 Verizon Motorola camera has a flash!
And this thread has picture of a case which looks like it could have a FLASH! Yes it does- look at the picture. There is a slit next to the hole. OK? See it now?? On this thread. Didn't you read my original post and can you not comprehend it???? I feel sometimes I need a ladle not merely a spoon for you.
Have you considered that she just didn't want to talk to you, and was making the noises herself???
Hmmmm, come to think of it, that buzzing sound didn't sound like a bad connection... maybe she really likes me and the buzzing is attributed to some other electronic device.... Probably not though....
That’s a nice looking pic and phone, but it still doesn’t change the point I made. The camera in Apple’s iPhone is clearly smaller. That means, among other things, smaller lens, no optical zoom, and CMOS sensor.
Then you have to consider the thickness at the camera position, as well as how much room it has behind it and around it. The specs you are comparing are for the thickest points of the measurements, but that doesn’t help with a tapered device.
Of course, Apple doesn’t have to make their products so thin to a point that they can’t use higher-performaing tech in some cases compared to other vendors—like the Intel iMac just now getting desktop-class CPUs—but that isn’t our call and they must think that it’s better for their business or they wouldn’t have done it.
If the reason for Apple being unable to build competitive features into their flagship product is the design, then they need to change the design. Simple as.
The iPhone doesn't need to be as thin as it is, it's a choice Apple has made, and if more people are asking for a better camera than are appreciating the thinness then it was the wrong choice.
If the reason for Apple being unable to build competitive features into their flagship product is the design, then they need to change the design. Simple as.
The iPhone doesn't need to be as thin as it is, it's a choice Apple has made, and if more people are asking for a better camera than are appreciating the thinness then it was the wrong choice.
What part can be a poor excuse when you repeated exactly what I stated….
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Of course, Apple doesn’t have to make their products so thin to a point that they can’t use higher-performaing tech in some cases compared to other vendors
As both you and I stated, it’s a choice Apple has made. They are the ones gobbling up all majority of the profits in both US PC and worldwide phone sales, according to reports, so we can’t really fault them for doing what works for their business model. Personally, I don’t care about a thin iPhone, so much so that I have a big ass case that is also a second battery.
That fact remains that Apple can’t fit larger camera internals in the space they have allotted. Maybe next year the camera tech will be better or they’ll find away to condense the logic board to a point that the camera can take up more room, but I wouldn’t count on Apple making the phone thicker or having the camera protrude out the back like in some phones. There is no evidence to support that kind of action from Apple, no matter how much you want it.
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It’s a camera in a thin phone; don’t expect miracles! Either accept the limitation, buy a different phone, or buy a real camera. I bet you still think that Apple didn’t include video on the first two iPhones so you’d be forced to buy the 3GS when it came out.
While I am perfectly happy with my iPhone, having a flash would be a nice added feature. I don't settle for the status quo as you do nor do I find it unreasonable that a cellphone in 2009 could or should have a flash. Apple didn't include video on the first 2 iPhones and they weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for it- plain and simple. Even you can read charts and graphs, I would assume.
Good advise.
My phone is 4mm thinner than the 3Gs, has a flash (twin LED), 5MP sensor, autofocus and takes 720x480 30fps video and the quality of both stills and video is excellent. The OS isn't as good though.
Miracles can happen.
How can he not think a flash possible on the iPhone? in 2010? Maybe he has it confused with flash as in Adobe!
Apple didn't include video on the first 2 iPhones and they weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for it- plain and simple.
Is the slit alongside the camera hole for a camera flash? I and many others need to take pictures in low light. It was a pain pushing people under lights on Halloween.
I would have imagined a person with your," cough, cough, sophistication" would have a "working" digital camera for, you know, taking pictures . .... also, is "pushing people under lights on Halloween" the same as "pushing Apple under the bus all the time"?
Wel if you had any reading comprehension skills you would have noticed that I never mentioned that it was video ONLY that caused the increase in sales. But obviously it helped and has been Apple's biggest advertising feature on it ( it was on the first page of Apple's website for months) and reviews of it highlighted it as well as the main new feature. Hello-anybody home?
You were the same person who screeched "get a video camera instead, its too small to work on the iPhone". Now you're saying the same thing all over again for a flash. You'll see. It will happen and you will eat yet another bale of crow.
I would have imagined a person with your," cough, cough, sophistication" would have a "working" digital camera for, you know, taking pictures . .... also, is "pushing people under lights on Halloween" the same as "pushing Apple under the bus all the time"?
I use my camera to take pictures and videos all the time as some people use theirs to listen to music or watch their stock quotes (ahem, any guesses folks as to who that might be?) all day. Different strokes for different folks. I don't want to carry 2 devices and a simple flash is not that big a deal- trust me. Don't listen to solipsism - he makes it seem like it's a technical feat equivalent to landing a man on the moon.
And I do have a decent Nikon for serious work.
Wel if you had any reading comprehension skills you would have noticed that I never mentioned that it was video ONLY that caused the increase in sales. But obviously it helped and has been Apple's biggest advertising feature on it ( it was on the first page of Apple's website for months) and reviews of it highlighted it as well as the main new feature. Hello-anybody home?
You were the same person who said "get a video camera instead"- its too small to work on the iPhone. Now you're saying the same thing all over again for a flash. You'll see -. It will happen and you will eat yet another bale of crow.
I expected Flash in the 3GS, if you paid attention, you?d know that. What I didn?t expect, but you keep expecting is the same or better camera tech that is high-end Nokia phones to show up in the iPhone simply because you think Apple can do anything (or at least should do what your want when you want). As I keep telling you, don?t expect miracles -AND- if it doesn?t have it then deal with, don?t complain on every AI thread about it, even when the thread has nothing to do with it. Either buy it because it best suits your needs, don?t buy it because something else fits your needs better, or make your own.
?...the first 2 iPhones [?] weren't as big a success as the 3Gs has been for [having a video camera]- plain and simple.?
If you included something about the increase in iPhone demand in general, the increase in smartphone demand in general, the other advances with the iPhone HW and/or OS, and if you hadn?t included the ?plain and simple? qualifier with impedes any additional complexity be added to your statement, I wouldn?t have thought otherwise. Can?t even comprehend his own writing. So sad.
PS: I expect some sort of night vision capable camera to come to the iPhone within 3 revision, hopefully sooner.
I expected Flash in the 3GS, if you paid attention, you’d know that. What I didn’t expect, but you keep expecting is the same or better camera tech that is high-end Nokia phones to show up in the iPhone simply because you think Apple can do anything (or at least should do what your want when you want). As I keep telling you, don’t expect miracles -AND- if it doesn’t have it then deal with, don’t complain on every AI thread about it, even when the thread has nothing to do with it. Either buy it because it best suits your needs, don’t buy it because something else fits your needs better, or make your own.
PS: I expect some sort of night vision capable camera to come to the iPhone within 3 revision, hopefully sooner.
Oh so now it clarifies itself- a "night vision capable camera"!
A FLASH- OK? Read my lips. I've never mention Nokia at all- ever! You keep bringing up Nokia- I don't. Flash on cellphone is not some earth shattering invention!! A $50 Verizon Motorola camera has a flash!
And this thread has picture of a case which looks like it could have a FLASH! Yes it does- look at the picture. There is a slit next to the hole. OK? See it now?? On this thread. Didn't you read my original post and can you not comprehend it???? I feel sometimes I need a ladle not merely a spoon for you.
Have you considered that she just didn't want to talk to you, and was making the noises herself???
Hmmmm, come to think of it, that buzzing sound didn't sound like a bad connection... maybe she really likes me and the buzzing is attributed to some other electronic device.... Probably not though....
Don?t leave us hanging. Show us this miracle phone whose camera space is 4mm thinner than the area that the iPhone?s camera sits.
You got me, it's only 0.4mm thinner after a cup of coffee, mea culpa.
Still, it does have a flash, 16.7m colour OLED screen and can shoot slow motion video at 120 fps, albeit at a reduced resolution.
The dimensions are 108.8 x 53.5 x 11.9 mm
A sample photo from mine :
You got me, it's only 0.4mm thinner after a cup of coffee, mea culpa.
Still, it does have a flash and can shoot slow motion vidieo at 120 fps.
image: http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...ngjetS8000.jpg
It's a Samsung S8000 Jet.
The dimensions are 108.8 x 53.5 x 11.9 mm
A sample photo from mine :
image: http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...ianm1/Bts3.jpg
That’s a nice looking pic and phone, but it still doesn’t change the point I made. The camera in Apple’s iPhone is clearly smaller. That means, among other things, smaller lens, no optical zoom, and CMOS sensor.
Then you have to consider the thickness at the camera position, as well as how much room it has behind it and around it. The specs you are comparing are for the thickest points of the measurements, but that doesn’t help with a tapered device.
Of course, Apple doesn’t have to make their products so thin to a point that they can’t use higher-performaing tech in some cases compared to other vendors—like the Intel iMac just now getting desktop-class CPUs—but that isn’t our call and they must think that it’s better for their business or they wouldn’t have done it.
If the reason for Apple being unable to build competitive features into their flagship product is the design, then they need to change the design. Simple as.
The iPhone doesn't need to be as thin as it is, it's a choice Apple has made, and if more people are asking for a better camera than are appreciating the thinness then it was the wrong choice.
Poor excuse there sol.
If the reason for Apple being unable to build competitive features into their flagship product is the design, then they need to change the design. Simple as.
The iPhone doesn't need to be as thin as it is, it's a choice Apple has made, and if more people are asking for a better camera than are appreciating the thinness then it was the wrong choice.
What part can be a poor excuse when you repeated exactly what I stated….
Of course, Apple doesn’t have to make their products so thin to a point that they can’t use higher-performaing tech in some cases compared to other vendors
As both you and I stated, it’s a choice Apple has made. They are the ones gobbling up all majority of the profits in both US PC and worldwide phone sales, according to reports, so we can’t really fault them for doing what works for their business model. Personally, I don’t care about a thin iPhone, so much so that I have a big ass case that is also a second battery.
That fact remains that Apple can’t fit larger camera internals in the space they have allotted. Maybe next year the camera tech will be better or they’ll find away to condense the logic board to a point that the camera can take up more room, but I wouldn’t count on Apple making the phone thicker or having the camera protrude out the back like in some phones. There is no evidence to support that kind of action from Apple, no matter how much you want it.