Hacker cracks Apple's latest iPhone 3GS security measures

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  • Reply 41 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    edit: pipped by Hill60.
  • Reply 42 of 90
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post




    Congratulations your hobby enables pirates.



    Congratulations your hobby threatens developers livelihoods.



    Congratulations your hobby threatens one of the most successful business models of recent years.







    The internet enables piracy, too, yet I see you don't have a problem using that.



    Congratulations, hypocrite.
  • Reply 43 of 90
    Tethering is automatically enabled. All you need to do is go to Settings/General/Network and turn on Ethernet tethering. Then when you plug your iPhone into your computer and go to the Mac's Settings/Network, a new interface shows up, it's automagic. Or you can pair your computer over bluetooth and use PAN (personal area network) but it's not as fast.



    My WiFi got hosed too, but the fix is easy: just go to Settings, Reset, Reset Network Settings and you're good to go (you'll have to re-enter all your network passwords)



    This is absolutely brilliant and I love it that a kid is thumbing his nose at the establishment like this. He's a genius!
  • Reply 44 of 90
    Once again, on any one of a hundred Internet discussion forums, the talk about jailbreaking devolves into holier-than-thou anti-jailbreakers accusing anyone who jailbreaks their iPhone of being a pirate, and refusing to see that there are legitimate non-pirate reasons to jailbreak.



    I've jailbroken my iPhone since the first day it was available to do publicly. There were lots of things you could do (and still can) with your really crippled back then (and somewhat less crippled now) iPhone, and not a single one of them involved pirating apps...that didn't come along for quite a while.



    To address the "jailbreaking should be stopped because you have to jailbreak in order to pirate arguments", the same logic sounds ridiculous when you apply to other real-world things:



    -Rifles can kill people, therefore everyone who buys a rifle is only buying it so they can become a murderer and kill people, so rifles should be outlawed. This ignores the legitimate use of rifles for hunting game or target practice.



    -Drunk drivers have to drink alcohol in order to drive drunk, therefore anyone who drinks alcohol must only be drinking alcohol so they can become a drunk driver, so alcohol should be illegal. This totally ignores the responsible use of alcohol for those who don't drive after drinking.



    -Child molesters use the Internet to find illegal pictures of young children, therefore anyone who uses the Internet must be a child molester, so the Internet should be illegal. This totally ignores the legitimate use of the Internet for any of a billion non-child pornography related reasons.



    Whether jailbreaking can be used for pirating or not, you cannot accuse all jailbreakers of being pirates, and you can't say that jailbreaking doesn't have legitimate uses for those of us who like some of the jailbreaking applications available that have nothing to do with piracy.



    Think before you accuse, people.
  • Reply 45 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    ...and if that "customising and utilising" means that a person can install pirated Apps which can't be done on a non-jailbroken iPhone then the ultimate responsibility comes down to the people who make it become possible.



    Congratulations your hobby enables pirates.



    Congratulations your hobby threatens developers livelihoods.



    Congratulations your hobby threatens one of the most successful business models of recent years.



    Thats a falsehood, if anything my "hobby" opens up the platform to developers who have been arbitrarily denied into the app store, I have the best of both worlds, my Jailbroken phone is "True democracy"



    The internet enables pirates, hollywood movies enable pirates, games enable pirates, let us ban them all. Eventually the business model that google has already adopted (everything is basically free) will have to be adopted across the market, short of perhaps food stuffs and other tangible objects, however services (not all, things like cell service and internet will stay because pirating those from what I understand is very difficult) services on the internet for the most part will have to be "free".



    The worst part of your last statemet "Hobby threatens one of the most successful business models..." is that your right, because instead of adapting to the market and seeing how its flowing and what the needs are of consumers Apple has decided to ignore it.



    Apple in an back-assward sort of way is killing itself. BUT RECORD PROFITS, yep theyre making a lot of money, they could make a lot more though, when the next generation of websavy technophiles have to deal with Apple I think the market will be less forgiving if Apple is not flexible in its controls.
  • Reply 46 of 90
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    So please explain how pointing out that a non-jailbroken iPhone is incapable of installing pirated Apps, yet a jailbroken one is.



    Thus jaibreaking an iPhone enables pirates, who wouldn't be able to do it otherwise.



    So how does this tie into my use of the Internet over the last 16 years?



    Did I invent the Internet?



    Do I play with tools to modify it?



    Do I supply it to other people?



    No to all of the above, well apart from the modifying bit, which I'm doing right now.



    hypocrite |ˈhipəˌkrit|

    noun

    a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

    DERIVATIVES

    hypocritical |ˌhipəˈkritikəl| adjective

    hypocritically |ˌhipəˈkritik(ə)lē| adverb

    ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French ypocrite, via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek hupokritēs ?actor,? from hupokrinesthai (see hypocrisy ).





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post






    The internet enables piracy, too, yet I see you don't have a problem using that.



    Congratulations, hypocrite.



  • Reply 47 of 90
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    The indisputable, inescapable fact is that:-



    Jailbreaking enables pirates!



    Without jailbreaking there would be no piracy of App store Apps.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iNoodles View Post


    Thats a falsehood, if anything my "hobby" opens up the platform to developers who have been arbitrarily denied into the app store,



    Blah, blah, blah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIQ2tp2vMKo




  • Reply 48 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    So please explain how pointing out that a non-jailbroken iPhone is incapable of installing pirated Apps, yet a jailbroken one is.



    Thus jaibreaking an iPhone enables pirates, who wouldn't be able to do it otherwise.



    So how does this tie into my use of the Internet over the last 16 years?



    Did I invent the Internet?



    Do I play with tools to modify it?



    Do I supply it to other people?



    No to all of the above, well apart from the modifying bit, which I'm doing right now.



    hypocrite |ˈhipəˌkrit|

    noun

    a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

    DERIVATIVES

    hypocritical |ˌhipəˈkritikəl| adjective

    hypocritically |ˌhipəˈkritik(ə)lē| adverb

    ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French ypocrite, via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek hupokritēs ‘actor,’ from hupokrinesthai (see hypocrisy ).



    Yep, you know what else a brick can do? If I can kill people with it, is that its purpose? If JBing was specifically for the purpose of downloading pirated apps you would have an argument unfortunately for your argument JBing is not made for that purpose, its made to wrestle control from a corporate entity who has no interest in our well being now that we have bought their device, as well as are only interested in providing a service that will directly benefit them.



    You could argue "but its their right" and thats a tricky gray area that has yet to be decided, however in general as a consumer when you pay for a product that product (unless you signed a license with it) is yours to do with as you please.



    Do you own a cd/dvd/blue-ray burner sir?



    Are you therefore a pirate?
  • Reply 49 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    The indisputable, inescapable fact is that:-



    Jailbreaking enables pirates!



    Without jailbreaking there would be no piracy of App store Apps.



    Your right that is a fact, the other fact is that a small latin American country named Bolivia produces a ton of Coca leaf, that in its own form is harmless and a cultural aspect of the highland mountain indians. However, this enables some "evil dooers" to produce cocaine.



    Which one is the evil? The person who uses the coca leaf for its cultural harmless activities or the narcos who turn into the soul sucking drug that it is.
  • Reply 50 of 90
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    A small flaw in your argument, where did I specifically say this:- " JBing was specifically for the purpose of downloading pirated apps...".



    I didn't say that at all, now you've got all heated up on your throne of noble ideals and you've made one of the most basic mistakes of all.



    Applying your own viewpoint of how things are to the views of others without taking the time to understand them.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iNoodles View Post


    Yep, you know what else a brick can do? If I can kill people with it, is that its purpose? If JBing was specifically for the purpose of downloading pirated apps you would have an argument unfortunately for your argument JBing is not made for that purpose, its made to wrestle control from a corporate entity who has no interest in our well being now that we have bought their device, as well as are only interested in providing a service that will directly benefit them.



    You could argue "but its their right" and thats a tricky gray area that has yet to be decided, however in general as a consumer when you pay for a product that product (unless you signed a license with it) is yours to do with as you please.



    Do you own a cd/dvd/blue-ray burner sir?



    Are you therefore a pirate?



  • Reply 51 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    A small flaw in your argument, where did I specifically say this:- " JBing was specifically for the purpose of downloading pirated apps...".



    I didn't say that at all, now you've got all heated up on your throne of noble ideals and you've made one of the most basic mistakes of all.



    Applying your own viewpoint of how things are to the views of others without taking the time to understand them.



    Please answer the question,



    Do you own a CD/DVD or Blue Ray burner? All devices that much like JBing enable pirating.



    And dont confuse "throne of noble ideals" with "ability to debate intelligently" a basic mistake.
  • Reply 52 of 90
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    I own an unjailbroken and officially unlocked iPhone with 162 Apps I paid for, my network allows me to tether it at no additional charge, MMS started working on the day of the iPhone OS 3.0 update.



    I have no desire to jailbreak my iPhone as I don't care to spend all day gazing in wonderment at a background picture behind my App icons.



    Seeing someone with free TomTom on a Jailbroken iPhone which would cost me $A129 is pretty tempting and provides an incentive I wouldn't otherwise have except I have no need for GPS software.



    I don't use CD's/DVD's, a PS3 doesn't Burn blueray.



    I have a set top box with a hard drive which I use to record FTA TV shows for personal use which the "fair use" sections of our copyright laws allow.



    I have USB keys and drives for backing up data.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iNoodles View Post


    Please answer the question,



    Do you own a CD/DVD or Blue Ray burner? All devices that much like JBing enable pirating.



    And dont confuse "throne of noble ideals" with "ability to debate intelligently" a basic mistake.



  • Reply 53 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    I own an unjailbroken and officially unlocked iPhone with 162 Apps I paid for, my network allows me to tether it at no additional charge, MMS started working on the day of the iPhone OS 3.0 update.



    I have no desire to jailbreak my iPhone as I don't care to spend all day gazing in wonderment at a background picture behind my App icons.



    Seeing someone with free TomTom on a Jailbroken iPhone which would cost me $A129 is pretty tempting and provides an incentive I wouldn't otherwise have except I have no need for GPS software.



    I don't use CD's/DVD's, a PS3 doesn't Burn blueray.



    I have a set top box with a hard drive which I use to record FTA TV shows for personal use which the "fair use" sections of our copyright laws allow.



    I have USB keys and drives for backing up data.



    So let me understand this, you only own what may possibly be a computer from 1992? Frak off mate, you have a burner and HOLY [email protected]* YOU DONT USE IT TO PIRATE STUFF, my exact point, I have a JBed iPhone, and I DO NOT pirate stuff, because I have the means does not mean I will do it. The question wasnt how do you store stuff it was a simple do you have it?



    Hey I would call that guy a "[email protected]#$ag" and keep walking, ethics I guess isnt your strong point and temptation easily overcomes you.



    Totally honest question, how do you know that the TomTom was free what difference is there on how its looks when its legit or not?



    *EDIT*



    Weve now agreed that it enables you to pirate, if thats your only argument then its weak, the simple act of having the internet enables one to pirate so its a rather weak argument.



    Either find a new argument against JBing or drop this one.



    Im going to go ahead an assume your next argument is



    "But you cant find pirated GPS Stand Alone Units!" Yes yes you can in NYC its called Chinatown, if you live in any big city you know this. Also if we take it to the extreme I can...steal it from someone/somewhere else.



    Then the enabler is simply the existence of the product. Either drop this or bring something new.



    JBING enables pirates, TRUE

    JBING does NOT have to be used to pirate, TRUE

    JBING has its own legally obtainable benefits, TRUE
  • Reply 54 of 90
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    The indisputable, inescapable fact is that:-



    Jailbreaking enables pirates!



    Without jailbreaking there would be no piracy of App store Apps.



    Yes!!! and having a car capable of going OVER the speed limit enables speeding which is



    BREAKING THE LAW



    Its the same analogy.........which is flawed!
  • Reply 55 of 90
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    How do I know it was free because she told me it was, the voice guidance didn't work so I suggested she contact TomTom, she almost did too, until I stopped her, I should have let her go on and videoed her call on speakerphone then uploaded it to YouTube for a laugh.



    Of course I've got CD/DVD burners I just don't have any blank media there's no need for it with USB keys and hard drives so cheap these days.



    Once again I said Jailbroken iPhones allow the installation of pirated Apps, nowhere did I say installing pirated Apps was the sole purpose of Jailbreaking.



    I even pointed out that in spite of the noble ideals of the jailbreaking community there are others who will take advantage.



    P.S. What the fuck does frak mean?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iNoodles View Post


    So let me understand this, you only what may possibly be a computer from 1992? Frak off mate, you have a burner and HOLY [email protected]* YOU DONT USE IT TO PIRATE STUFF, my exact point, I have a JBed iPhone, and I DO NOT pirate stuff, because I have the means does not mean I will do it. The question wasnt how do you store stuff it was a simple do you have it?



    Hey I would call that guy a "[email protected]#$ag" and keep walking, ethics I guess isnt your strong point and temptation easily overcomes you.



    Totally honest question, how do you know that the TomTom was free what difference is there on how its looks when its legit or not?



  • Reply 56 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    How do I know it was free because she told me it was, the voice guidance didn't work so I suggested she contact TomTom, she almost did too, until I stopped her, I should have let her go on and videoed her call on speakerphone then uploaded it to YouTube for a laugh.



    Of course I've got CD/DVD burners I just don't have any blank media there's no need for it with USB keys and hard drives so cheap these days.



    Once again I said Jailbroken iPhones allow the installation of pirated Apps, nowhere did I say installing pirated Apps was the sole purpose of Jailbreaking.



    I even pointed out that in spite of the noble ideals of the jailbreaking community their are others who will take advantage.



    P.S. What the fuck does frak mean?



    There are always those who will take advantage of any situation, its the innate greed of human nature.



    I personally fully support the App store, and object to any piracy of programs especially seeing how quite a few of those programmers are either freelancing or just making an extra buck on the side, (TomTom I admit I have less sympathy for being that its a giant million dollar corporation whos charging a substantial amount but I agree that its still unethical).



    However, I will not say that JBing directly enables it, JBing breaks the locks of the constraints of the phone. Its not the means to the end.



    And frak! Damn I figured anybody who was dorky enough to hang out on internet forums debating the ethic quandary of JBing would recognize that.



    Its from battlestar galactica, and since I can assume you havnt seen it I highly recommend it, but if its not your thing, well not everybody digs it.
  • Reply 57 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    Yes!!! and having a car capable of going OVER the speed limit enables speeding which is



    BREAKING THE LAW



    Its the same analogy.........which is flawed!



    You speeding doesn't void your support contract of getting the car fixed if you wreck it.



    You JBing your phone deserves to see it turn into a piece of costume jewelry as Apple should void your support contract.
  • Reply 58 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iNoodles View Post


    Your right that is a fact, the other fact is that a small latin American country named Bolivia produces a ton of Coca leaf, that in its own form is harmless and a cultural aspect of the highland mountain indians. However, this enables some "evil dooers" to produce cocaine.



    Which one is the evil? The person who uses the coca leaf for its cultural harmless activities or the narcos who turn into the soul sucking drug that it is.



    I suspect that only real indisputable and inescapable fact is that you sir are a moron



    You and I agree with Coca Leaf. To kill the ongoing War regarding Cocaine you simply end the ban on Coca Leaf and give yourself, myself and the world a tea that provides so many vitamins and minerals that we all benefit from it. There will always be a small market for Cocaine but the volume market will be for the healthy Coca Leaf farmers in both the US and Central/South America grow and cross seasonally support one another.



    It's fiscally sound, improves health for all and it neuters a useless political talking point.
  • Reply 59 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You may not be doing too great with the ladies right now (assumption)...



    The Donger say -- coming from someone with more than 11k posts, the irony is rich.



    No more yankee my wankee! The Donger needs food!
  • Reply 60 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    You and I agree with Coca Leaf. To kill the ongoing War regarding Cocaine you simply end the ban on Coca Leaf and give yourself, myself and the world a tea that provides so many vitamins and minerals that we all benefit from it. There will always be a small market for Cocaine but the volume market will be for the healthy Coca Leaf farmers in both the US and Central/South America grow and cross seasonally support one another.



    It's fiscally sound, improves health for all and it neuters a useless political talking point.



    Chewing is good too, its delicious and gives you some nice stamina and chewing has been found to have NO addictive qualities. Your right about the rest.



    Ive actually never tried the tea, what sort of flavor does it have? Any recommendations on how to brew a fine pot? Ill be heading to south america soon.
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