Despite Ballmer saying that Apple won?t get anywhere unless they license their mobile OS, i have a feeling that MS? only recourse is to due what it did with the Zune, and make a product that is entirely in the MS ecosystem. I wouldn?t be surprised to see a Zune Phone hit the market. It would be the best competitor to the iPhone in media playback. Even Android v2.0 is severely lacking in this area, and it doesn?t look like it?ll be changing quickly.
When it was finally confirmed in early/mid 2006 that MS was developing their own Zune, Jobs was quoted as saying something along the lines of "I knew they eventually would." At the time, I really thought that MS/Ballmer understood the importance of creating a mobile platform. And once the iPhone was announced, a couple of months after the first Zune, I thought for sure that MS knew that personal media players would converge into phones, and that the Zune would soon become a phone. But the recent revelations of Zune HD, Danger, Pink, WinMo, make it seem like MS never grasped this at all.
So tho there really should be a Zune phone, I have little confidence that there is one coming anytime soon.
Despite Ballmer saying that Apple won’t get anywhere unless they license their mobile OS, i have a feeling that MS’ only recourse is to due what it did with the Zune, and make a product that is entirely in the MS ecosystem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Zune Phone hit the market. It would be the best competitor to the iPhone in media playback. Even Android v2.0 is severely lacking in this area, and it doesn’t look like it’ll be changing quickly.
SO obsessed with Ballmer- so sad. What exactly does he have to do with Samsung and the Bada. He simply permeates your every thoughts. Recourse? Bizarre!
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."
\t- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, April 30, 2007
but now it will be WinMo that is lucky if it can hang on to 2% or 3%. Ah! the worm turns!
Samsung has to be responding to its arch rival Nokia most of all. they go head-to-head in Asia much more than here. Samsung could use Android too (and probably will) but clearly wants to control its own premium product like Nokia might with Maemo. with a branded app, media, and cloud store like Ovi too.
this won't be aimed at the US market. Samsung will probably push Android products here mainly, thanks to Google's strong US presence. it's all about Asia. Apple sells in Asia too of course and so there is competition (plus all the silly media stories about the next "iPhone killer"). but the death match is Samsung vs. Nokia.
(does anyone care about Sony/Erricson anymore? do they?)
funny how Linux at long last is finally hitting the big time. but the fragmentation among all these new mobile OS variants will really frustrate and confuse consumers. with their clear identity and momentum Apple and RIM can rise above the chaos with a loyal customer base. but all the rest - including the telcos with their own branded phones too - will be chopping each other to pieces every product cycle.
The N900 will be coming to T-Mobile it has the 1700 UMTS band, it'd be alright if you didn't have to use it in landscape mode for everything except calls, it also *shock, horror* doesn't support MMS \ \ \
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Yep, just what we all needed, another Linux phone. Maybe this time this will actually make it here in the states, untouched and ready to go.
Right.
Prove me wrong Nokia N900 where everyone else has failed.
What experience does Samsung have in developing its own OS?
Many of their phones run their own 'Touch Wiz' UI and they have developed their own OS
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TouchWiz can be downloaded to Samsung handsets running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, or Samsung's own OS.
Any chance there will be a gold plated bling offering called the Bad-Ass
Couldn't resist.
I think Samsung are hoping to create an ancillary revenue stream such as Apple have done with the App Store.
Since the iPhone has Unix at it's heart and so will Bada, how difficult would it be for developers to port versions of their apps over to the new platform?
Many of their phones run their own 'Touch Wiz' UI and they have developed their own OS
A UI isn't an OS. A 'dumb'phone OS isn't anything like a smartphone OS.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
Since the iPhone has Unix at it's heart and so will Bada,
Even if Bada had a Unixy kernel it'll still account to nothing.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
how difficult would it be for developers to port versions of their apps over to the new platform?
May warrant a full rewrite. As Objective-C, Cocoa, and other iPhone OS specific frameworks wont be available on Bada. iPhone OS may be Unix, but so is Solaris, HP-UX, etc... There is more to an OS than just the kernel.
Really, there's room for two platforms, three at most. It increasingly looks like those are iPhone and Android, with RIM slowly disappearing as the other two improve on the corporate side.
funny how Linux at long last is finally hitting the big time. but the fragmentation among all these new mobile OS variants will really frustrate and confuse consumers. with their clear identity and momentum Apple and RIM can rise above the chaos with a loyal customer base. but all the rest - including the telcos with their own branded phones too - will be chopping each other to pieces every product cycle.
what a bloody mess it will be.
Hear, hear! Well, there's LiMo which is Linux. And there's Android which is also Linux but not LiMo. But there's Android in the T-Mobile phone which is different from Android in the Droid. Then there's Maemo which is also Linux but not Limo or Android. Then there's Bada which is also Linux but not Limo, or Droid or Maemo. Then there's WinMo 6.5 which is not Linux or Limo or Android or Maemo and is yes, kinda lame but WinMo 7 is coming out soon! Although WinMo 7 can't be installed in virtaully all current WinMo phones. Did I already tell you about Limo and Android and Maemo and Bada?
Apple's marketing guys must be licking their chops.
When it was finally confirmed in early/mid 2006 that MS was developing their own Zune, Jobs was quoted as saying something along the lines of "I knew they eventually would." At the time, I really thought that MS/Ballmer understood the importance of creating a mobile platform. And once the iPhone was announced, a couple of months after the first Zune, I thought for sure that MS knew that personal media players would converge into phones, and that the Zune would soon become a phone. But the recent revelations of Zune HD, Danger, Pink, WinMo, make it seem like MS never grasped this at all.
So tho there really should be a Zune phone, I have little confidence that there is one coming anytime soon.
I question the wisdom of that.
Apple had what was, and still is, by far, the most popular and respected hardware and software ecology going in the iPod/iTunes duopoly.
After, what is it now, almost 2.5 years, MS has none of that.
What good will it do to have a phone based on a failed music/videoplayer platform? I see no advantage of that.
What are they going to say to software developers? Come join the 4% of the smartphone market we have?
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Despite Ballmer saying that Apple won?t get anywhere unless they license their mobile OS, i have a feeling that MS? only recourse is to due what it did with the Zune, and make a product that is entirely in the MS ecosystem. I wouldn?t be surprised to see a Zune Phone hit the market. It would be the best competitor to the iPhone in media playback. Even Android v2.0 is severely lacking in this area, and it doesn?t look like it?ll be changing quickly.
When it was finally confirmed in early/mid 2006 that MS was developing their own Zune, Jobs was quoted as saying something along the lines of "I knew they eventually would." At the time, I really thought that MS/Ballmer understood the importance of creating a mobile platform. And once the iPhone was announced, a couple of months after the first Zune, I thought for sure that MS knew that personal media players would converge into phones, and that the Zune would soon become a phone. But the recent revelations of Zune HD, Danger, Pink, WinMo, make it seem like MS never grasped this at all.
So tho there really should be a Zune phone, I have little confidence that there is one coming anytime soon.
Despite Ballmer saying that Apple won’t get anywhere unless they license their mobile OS, i have a feeling that MS’ only recourse is to due what it did with the Zune, and make a product that is entirely in the MS ecosystem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Zune Phone hit the market. It would be the best competitor to the iPhone in media playback. Even Android v2.0 is severely lacking in this area, and it doesn’t look like it’ll be changing quickly.
SO obsessed with Ballmer- so sad. What exactly does he have to do with Samsung and the Bada. He simply permeates your every thoughts. Recourse? Bizarre!
Samsung's Bada, the Korean word for "ocean," ...
Go figure, I thought it was the Korean word for "me too!".
Another nail in WinMo's coffin.
Samsung also currently make 2 LiMo based phones custom built for Vodafone, Bada is probably an extension of that work.
Will Samsung Bada run Nokia Maemo software?
Will open source Linux become closed source in the world of smartphones?
So how bada is it?
Is there a graph for that?
Is there a graph for that?
Right.
Prove me wrong Nokia N900 where everyone else has failed.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."
\t- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, April 30, 2007
but now it will be WinMo that is lucky if it can hang on to 2% or 3%. Ah! the worm turns!
this won't be aimed at the US market. Samsung will probably push Android products here mainly, thanks to Google's strong US presence. it's all about Asia. Apple sells in Asia too of course and so there is competition (plus all the silly media stories about the next "iPhone killer"). but the death match is Samsung vs. Nokia.
(does anyone care about Sony/Erricson anymore? do they?)
funny how Linux at long last is finally hitting the big time. but the fragmentation among all these new mobile OS variants will really frustrate and confuse consumers. with their clear identity and momentum Apple and RIM can rise above the chaos with a loyal customer base. but all the rest - including the telcos with their own branded phones too - will be chopping each other to pieces every product cycle.
what a bloody mess it will be.
Yep, just what we all needed, another Linux phone. Maybe this time this will actually make it here in the states, untouched and ready to go.
Right.
Prove me wrong Nokia N900 where everyone else has failed.
Don't answer, we'll soon find out how good Bada is.
I actually like the name "Bada"
When i first read about the article, it had already clicked into me.
I can't wait until they unveil this new platform.
What experience does Samsung have in developing its own OS?
Many of their phones run their own 'Touch Wiz' UI and they have developed their own OS
TouchWiz can be downloaded to Samsung handsets running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, or Samsung's own OS.
Any chance there will be a gold plated bling offering called the Bad-Ass
Couldn't resist.
I think Samsung are hoping to create an ancillary revenue stream such as Apple have done with the App Store.
Since the iPhone has Unix at it's heart and so will Bada, how difficult would it be for developers to port versions of their apps over to the new platform?
Many of their phones run their own 'Touch Wiz' UI and they have developed their own OS
Any chance there will be a gold plated bling offering called the Bad-Ass
Couldn't resist.
Ah, the Bada SS model.
Many of their phones run their own 'Touch Wiz' UI and they have developed their own OS
A UI isn't an OS. A 'dumb'phone OS isn't anything like a smartphone OS.
Since the iPhone has Unix at it's heart and so will Bada,
Even if Bada had a Unixy kernel it'll still account to nothing.
how difficult would it be for developers to port versions of their apps over to the new platform?
May warrant a full rewrite. As Objective-C, Cocoa, and other iPhone OS specific frameworks wont be available on Bada. iPhone OS may be Unix, but so is Solaris, HP-UX, etc... There is more to an OS than just the kernel.
I see only one reason for Bada. Vanity.
Indeed.
Really, there's room for two platforms, three at most. It increasingly looks like those are iPhone and Android, with RIM slowly disappearing as the other two improve on the corporate side.
What can they possibly be thinking?
Maury
funny how Linux at long last is finally hitting the big time. but the fragmentation among all these new mobile OS variants will really frustrate and confuse consumers. with their clear identity and momentum Apple and RIM can rise above the chaos with a loyal customer base. but all the rest - including the telcos with their own branded phones too - will be chopping each other to pieces every product cycle.
what a bloody mess it will be.
Hear, hear! Well, there's LiMo which is Linux. And there's Android which is also Linux but not LiMo. But there's Android in the T-Mobile phone which is different from Android in the Droid. Then there's Maemo which is also Linux but not Limo or Android. Then there's Bada which is also Linux but not Limo, or Droid or Maemo. Then there's WinMo 6.5 which is not Linux or Limo or Android or Maemo and is yes, kinda lame but WinMo 7 is coming out soon! Although WinMo 7 can't be installed in virtaully all current WinMo phones. Did I already tell you about Limo and Android and Maemo and Bada?
Apple's marketing guys must be licking their chops.
When it was finally confirmed in early/mid 2006 that MS was developing their own Zune, Jobs was quoted as saying something along the lines of "I knew they eventually would." At the time, I really thought that MS/Ballmer understood the importance of creating a mobile platform. And once the iPhone was announced, a couple of months after the first Zune, I thought for sure that MS knew that personal media players would converge into phones, and that the Zune would soon become a phone. But the recent revelations of Zune HD, Danger, Pink, WinMo, make it seem like MS never grasped this at all.
So tho there really should be a Zune phone, I have little confidence that there is one coming anytime soon.
I question the wisdom of that.
Apple had what was, and still is, by far, the most popular and respected hardware and software ecology going in the iPod/iTunes duopoly.
After, what is it now, almost 2.5 years, MS has none of that.
What good will it do to have a phone based on a failed music/videoplayer platform? I see no advantage of that.
What are they going to say to software developers? Come join the 4% of the smartphone market we have?