TechCrunch/Arrington have a solid track record of publishing garbage that suits their prejudices. Arrington in particular is a pompous fool.
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success. that Google-validated design would then be offered to all sellers and even other OEM's (as an "open" product) to use for their products. Google would then launch future new Android features and software based on this reference design so as to make it the practical Android standard.
that would make far more strategic business sense for Google. it needs Android to succeed far and wide for its core ad and cloud business model, not to undermine that by trying to make money selling a much smaller number of smartphones itself. like, duh.
Need a good ol' Prince McLean piece now bashing this tech pundit BS.
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success.
Exactly. Hell, for all we know this could be Droid.
"Will the damn thing ever get out of Beta status?"
Heh, it will in five years
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Originally Posted by Gwydion
1. Hero wasn't the first Android phone having Android 1.5
2. Closed open softare? Which software?
I think he's referring to the "Google Experience" applications that Google ships on some Android devices, like Gmail, Calendar, and YouTube. Those applications are closed apps running on the open-source Android OS.
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Originally Posted by Ringo
TechCrunch says it's so (but doesn't explain how they know). Gruber says it's BS (and backs it up with a statement from Google).
AppleInsider runs the story as though it's credible.
Not that it'll make much difference to them, but I've just deleted AppleInsider's RSS feed from NetNewsWire.
I hope you realize that the word "Rumored" appears in the article's title as well as RSS newsfeed. It is at least worth the discussion, seeing as how Google and Apple parted ways this year as far as shared board members and the possible tension between the two companies over Google Voice. Not to mention that Android is being used to aim directly at would-be iPhone buyers to other devices and networks.
Just like how AT&T has become synonymous with Apple, we might start seeing a trend where Google competes more and more with Cupertino.
I think he's referring to the "Google Experience" applications that Google ships on some Android devices, like Gmail, Calendar, and YouTube. Those applications are closed apps running on the open-source Android OS.
So it's nothing about closed open source software.
Wait, don't we already have a Google phone, called the G1 and next gen myTouch?
Those are T-Mobile and perhaps they made the design, but come on, the G1 was the first, and no one other than Google could have made it. If that is all they can do (as well as that lame prototype), Apple has nothing to worry over.
How will it look for Google when Motorola or OEMS made a much better phone than you? And this whole hardware/software integration stuff won't work when you have 4 other major designs out there - you can only release one.
So it's nothing about closed open source software.
Heh, that's sort of an oxymoron. No, its nothing about that. He was making a point that those applications (Gmail, YouTube, etc...) are closed applications that are not included as part of the Android OS. Those are shipped on phones that have a special deal with Google to provide "Google Experience" devices. Those apps are not open source.
Android, however, IS open source, and anyone can use it. You can easily make your own Mail and Calendar client to replace the Google versions if you wish. So the operating system is free and open, just not a few Google-brand applications. Make sense?
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success. that Google-validated design would then be offered to all sellers and even other OEM's (as an "open" product) to use for their products. Google would then launch future new Android features and software based on this reference design so as to make it the practical Android standard.
that would make far more strategic business sense for Google. it needs Android to succeed far and wide for its core ad and cloud business model, not to undermine that by trying to make money selling a much smaller number of smartphones itself. like, duh.
I suppose that make sense. It would certainly be encouraging to developers for OEMs to agree to certain specifics, like aspect ratio, processor and graphics, in an effort to streamline applications to a more consistent look across multiple devices, similar to how elegant and seamless the applications are for the iPhone in terms of looks.
That said, they might force the issue by making hardware after all. If phones like the Droid and a Google device set the bar for Android devices going forward, it may discourage manufacturers to use anything less and would help make the experience a pleasure on ANY android device. One of the things that kept me away from the G1 was the craptastic hardware. Now that the builds are rivaling even the iPhone, you may not ever want to go back.
Yep i believe this will happen sooner rather than later. It's on a lot of peoples xmas lists.
In my company alone there must be at least a third of the staff owning iPhones with the rest either promising to get one for xmas or when it becomes multi carrier.
I haven't heard a single person who owns one complain about it either so the knock on effect is obvious.
And THIS Google phone will be free - well - you get some ads for free as well.
And you only need to buy a data plan from the carrier. Only a data plan? Will work just fine - since all calls will run through GV. The GV app today is just the Beta for the Phone app of tomorrow. Here comes the future - and its gonna be interesting.
And THIS Google phone will be free - well - you get some ads for free as well.
And you only need to buy a data plan from the carrier. Only a data plan? Will work just fine - since all calls will run through GV. The GV app today is just the Beta for the Phone app of tomorrow. Here comes the future - and its gonna be interesting.
There is certainly a benefit for some who want to save money and/or don?t use the phone much, but having VoIP with QoS getting pushed in real time and ahead of any data is important. Unless Google can get that with their own service it may not be ideal for many heavy voice users.
wow google realised the bussiness model for mobile platform would be to integrate handset and os...
...Now let me think which much maligned by the idiots of the pc camp company thought of that 4-5 years before, to the criticism of the pundits and know alls of the tec world who claimed that a closed software model was a thing of the 80s...
...let us all think who the morons and the late comers to the party are once more...the very same people who claim all the time and profess how well advanced they are... and of course it's the apple "fan boys" that are in the wrong, always...
SO, GOOGLE, JOIN THE PARTY, JOIN THE MULTITUDES WHO HAVE COPIED APPLE'S BUSINESS MODEL TO TURN A BUCK BY RIDIND APPLE'S TAILCOATS...
There is certainly a benefit for some who want to save money and/or don?t use the phone much, but having VoIP with QoS getting pushed in real time and ahead of any data is important. Unless Google can get that with their own service it may not be ideal for many heavy voice users.
They are working on it..... And if it's not good enough, they could just buy Sprint... Oh, no - I thought Apple would be that "adventurous".
I've got a friend who has seen this phone with his own eyes in a small surfing town on the Pacific Coast of Costa Rica called Dominical.
According to him and what he witnessed was the following.
The phone apparently has what appears to be two micro projectors on opposite sides of each other. One projects the screen on to an adjacent surface (ie: wall) and the other projects the keyboard on to the surface the phone is resting. Now I have no idea how this phone detects projected key presses but it does. He also told me that the projection display can project a rather large display compared to what is current out there like the iPhone and others.
The owner of the phone is an engineer with Google and he has a part time residence here in Dominical Costa Rica.
I was told this some five months ago so I would imagine that this phone has come along way since then but interesting non the less.
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Can you say me any Google Android program (gmail, browser, gtalk, google maps) which has ads?
Only stuff from 3rd parties. Same as the iPhone.
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success. that Google-validated design would then be offered to all sellers and even other OEM's (as an "open" product) to use for their products. Google would then launch future new Android features and software based on this reference design so as to make it the practical Android standard.
that would make far more strategic business sense for Google. it needs Android to succeed far and wide for its core ad and cloud business model, not to undermine that by trying to make money selling a much smaller number of smartphones itself. like, duh.
Need a good ol' Prince McLean piece now bashing this tech pundit BS.
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success.
Exactly. Hell, for all we know this could be Droid.
The real question is:
"Will the damn thing ever get out of Beta status?"
Heh, it will in five years
1. Hero wasn't the first Android phone having Android 1.5
2. Closed open softare? Which software?
I think he's referring to the "Google Experience" applications that Google ships on some Android devices, like Gmail, Calendar, and YouTube. Those applications are closed apps running on the open-source Android OS.
TechCrunch says it's so (but doesn't explain how they know). Gruber says it's BS (and backs it up with a statement from Google).
AppleInsider runs the story as though it's credible.
Not that it'll make much difference to them, but I've just deleted AppleInsider's RSS feed from NetNewsWire.
I hope you realize that the word "Rumored" appears in the article's title as well as RSS newsfeed. It is at least worth the discussion, seeing as how Google and Apple parted ways this year as far as shared board members and the possible tension between the two companies over Google Voice. Not to mention that Android is being used to aim directly at would-be iPhone buyers to other devices and networks.
Just like how AT&T has become synonymous with Apple, we might start seeing a trend where Google competes more and more with Cupertino.
Can you say me any Google Android program (gmail, browser, gtalk, google maps) which has ads?
I think Google is more interested in harvesting the info for ads on stuff like the browser searches rather than ads in their apps.
Course, gmail already has ads at the top in the web interface.
I think he's referring to the "Google Experience" applications that Google ships on some Android devices, like Gmail, Calendar, and YouTube. Those applications are closed apps running on the open-source Android OS.
So it's nothing about closed open source software.
Those are T-Mobile and perhaps they made the design, but come on, the G1 was the first, and no one other than Google could have made it. If that is all they can do (as well as that lame prototype), Apple has nothing to worry over.
How will it look for Google when Motorola or OEMS made a much better phone than you? And this whole hardware/software integration stuff won't work when you have 4 other major designs out there - you can only release one.
Whoohoo, I'll buy more shares!
...not like the pos products that apple offer.
So, will Google force us to view an Ad before we are allowed to answer an incoming call?
Actually, Apple has already applied for that patent.
So it's nothing about closed open source software.
Heh, that's sort of an oxymoron. No, its nothing about that. He was making a point that those applications (Gmail, YouTube, etc...) are closed applications that are not included as part of the Android OS. Those are shipped on phones that have a special deal with Google to provide "Google Experience" devices. Those apps are not open source.
Android, however, IS open source, and anyone can use it. You can easily make your own Mail and Calendar client to replace the Google versions if you wish. So the operating system is free and open, just not a few Google-brand applications. Make sense?
much more likely than looking to sell phones itself, Google is working with one of the OEM's on a "reference" hardware design to try and avoid the hardware fragmentation problem that seriously threatens Android's marketplace success. that Google-validated design would then be offered to all sellers and even other OEM's (as an "open" product) to use for their products. Google would then launch future new Android features and software based on this reference design so as to make it the practical Android standard.
that would make far more strategic business sense for Google. it needs Android to succeed far and wide for its core ad and cloud business model, not to undermine that by trying to make money selling a much smaller number of smartphones itself. like, duh.
I suppose that make sense. It would certainly be encouraging to developers for OEMs to agree to certain specifics, like aspect ratio, processor and graphics, in an effort to streamline applications to a more consistent look across multiple devices, similar to how elegant and seamless the applications are for the iPhone in terms of looks.
That said, they might force the issue by making hardware after all. If phones like the Droid and a Google device set the bar for Android devices going forward, it may discourage manufacturers to use anything less and would help make the experience a pleasure on ANY android device. One of the things that kept me away from the G1 was the craptastic hardware. Now that the builds are rivaling even the iPhone, you may not ever want to go back.
And from across the pond:
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph...ng_smartphone/
Yep i believe this will happen sooner rather than later. It's on a lot of peoples xmas lists.
In my company alone there must be at least a third of the staff owning iPhones with the rest either promising to get one for xmas or when it becomes multi carrier.
I haven't heard a single person who owns one complain about it either so the knock on effect is obvious.
And you only need to buy a data plan from the carrier. Only a data plan? Will work just fine - since all calls will run through GV. The GV app today is just the Beta for the Phone app of tomorrow. Here comes the future - and its gonna be interesting.
The pieces of the puzzle become visible... see earlier post.
And THIS Google phone will be free - well - you get some ads for free as well.
And you only need to buy a data plan from the carrier. Only a data plan? Will work just fine - since all calls will run through GV. The GV app today is just the Beta for the Phone app of tomorrow. Here comes the future - and its gonna be interesting.
There is certainly a benefit for some who want to save money and/or don?t use the phone much, but having VoIP with QoS getting pushed in real time and ahead of any data is important. Unless Google can get that with their own service it may not be ideal for many heavy voice users.
...Now let me think which much maligned by the idiots of the pc camp company thought of that 4-5 years before, to the criticism of the pundits and know alls of the tec world who claimed that a closed software model was a thing of the 80s...
...let us all think who the morons and the late comers to the party are once more...the very same people who claim all the time and profess how well advanced they are... and of course it's the apple "fan boys" that are in the wrong, always...
SO, GOOGLE, JOIN THE PARTY, JOIN THE MULTITUDES WHO HAVE COPIED APPLE'S BUSINESS MODEL TO TURN A BUCK BY RIDIND APPLE'S TAILCOATS...
There is certainly a benefit for some who want to save money and/or don?t use the phone much, but having VoIP with QoS getting pushed in real time and ahead of any data is important. Unless Google can get that with their own service it may not be ideal for many heavy voice users.
They are working on it..... And if it's not good enough, they could just buy Sprint... Oh, no - I thought Apple would be that "adventurous".
According to him and what he witnessed was the following.
The phone apparently has what appears to be two micro projectors on opposite sides of each other. One projects the screen on to an adjacent surface (ie: wall) and the other projects the keyboard on to the surface the phone is resting. Now I have no idea how this phone detects projected key presses but it does. He also told me that the projection display can project a rather large display compared to what is current out there like the iPhone and others.
The owner of the phone is an engineer with Google and he has a part time residence here in Dominical Costa Rica.
I was told this some five months ago so I would imagine that this phone has come along way since then but interesting non the less.