Even as a secondary OS it can still make a dent in marketshare and installed base even if it doesn’t affect anyone’s sales or growth.
Absolutely. And Google is wise to say "this is a secondary OS". Like Apple, it undersells what's possible even though some users will push it to the limits. It manages the media expectations well.
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Will people really want to load this on a computer?
I like the idea of sitting at ANY computer ANYWHERE, and getting my files, email, media etc. If this enables that then great. But I'll install the Chrome browser on my Mac and get it that way, rather than remove the MacOS!
It surprises me Google is targeting netbooks only. I'd have thought they could get 50% of the market if it just installs on all the old clunker machines... anything that runs Windows 98 to XP (but can't quite do Windows 7)
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
However, after witnessing the cannibalization of low end Windows PCs and notebooks by cheap netbooks, Microsoft outlined plans this summer to raise netbook prices using Windows 7.
Damn, I have to remember I'm reading RoughlyDrafted (on AppleInsider).
So, Microsoft outlined plans to raise netbook prices eh?
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Originally Posted by solipsism
I fully expect to see a version of iTunes for this OS that is only HTML, CSS and JS before the launch next year. I feel that the iTunes Store Preview may be a piece of that puzzle. Apple can’t lose this huge potential market. If people get their first taste of computing without iTunes and can’t use an iDevice because of it then they may never go that route, which IMO makes this an important component for the future of Apple.
I agree, Apple needs to make sure it's in this game.
Google has so many fingers in so many pies, that if it pulls together it has a very compelling solution for most customers.
The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
I don't think this is aimed to replace your OS X "premium" experience. I think its a stand-alone deal. Its experience will be surfing the web. As long as it does that well, I would contend it would be a "premium" experience for what it is designed to do. Don't knock it until you've tried it! There's a version out there already. Download it and Ubuntu 9.10 (to compile) to give it a try and report back to us. I'll be doing the same!
Already set up Ubuntu Jaunty for a family member months ago, on a horrible Acer notebook. I used to use Linux exclusively for a year back in 2005 - Mandrake (at least it was called Mandrake Linux back then), PClinuxOS - one of the best KDE implementations, and finally, Ubuntu.
Moved waaaay past "desktop Linux" years ago. It's old news to me. Definitely far below Apple quality. Still.
I will try this Google OS, however, but I'm in no rush.
I agree, Apple needs to make sure it's in this game.
Google has so many fingers in so many pies, that if it pulls together it has a very compelling solution for most customers.
The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
Given Apple's track record, and their vision and remarkable knack for foretelling the future (even when no one else believes them), I'm willing to bet they've already got Google figured out on this one. Remember, this is Steve Jobs with the usual Apple team. Eric Schmidt can only "borrow" so many ideas from having sat on Apple's board before he runs out of them. Apple's got the entire industry figured out. I doubt this occasion is any different.
It surprises me Google is targeting netbooks only. I'd have thought they could get 50% of the market if it just installs on all the old clunker machines... anything that runs Windows 98 to XP (but can't quite do Windows 7)
Me, too. I think there are plenty of machine types and customers they are really focusing on. Netbooks may be a trojan horse and/or simply an identifiable way to market this simple OS.
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Damn, I have to remember I'm reading RoughlyDrafted (on AppleInsider).
So, Microsoft outlined plans to raise netbook prices eh?
Kind of, they said that Win7 Starter Edition would be around $50 for OEMs. As I recall, the netbooks couldn?t run Vista so Linux was installed which pretty much forced MS to offer XP at a reduced rate to lose that marketshare, but the Linux netbooks were not a big hit and had plenty of returns, so it looks like MS knows that the OEMs have to pay for Win7 in order to successfully push their netbooks. (speculation)
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The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM?s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
The backend uses WebOjects the front end is Carbon on Macs, which I am sure they’ll change to Cocoa for 2010’s iPod Special Event in the fall with a new iTunes X name. It will also then be 64-bit. With iTunes 9 they switched the iTunes Store to render HTML, CSS and JS. That is one a major part of the puzzle if they want iTunes on Chrome OS. The other part is just making the rest of the interface work with the HW so you can sync your iDevice. Is there any way Apple is not working with Google to have this as a default setup? It helps Google push their OS, it helps Apple push their iTunes/iDevice environment, and it helps Google and Apple hit MS in the lower end of the OS market.
Yes. You're dreaming if you think Apple is going to drive Google's platform to success.
I am sure this will be useful for some users, but working in network security and knowing how bad security really is in places, I definitely don't want to trust certain data to "the cloud".
And I would hardly call the past thin client NCs "cloud centric". The buzzword "cloud computing" was not around when thin clients were first rolled out. Most of them are used on internal corporate networks and are really just a front-end to Windows apps running on some central corporate server. Think Citrix...
But it is always nice to have new options and competition. But when you can't get access to "the cloud" then you are dead. The recent SideKick problems come to mind.
Like I said, it will be useful to some people. I can't wait to look over at the car in traffic that nearly crashed into me and seeing the driver trying to type on their netbook instead of trying to text message like they do now.
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM?s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
The bigger roadblock is that the OS is not designed to have local storage for the media files that iTunes depends on, therefore no iTunes on Chrome OS.
What good would worrying do? Will this effect Apple's business in the future. Absolutely. The question is, by how much? Probably not a huge, huge amount, but who knows what the future holds really. No one.
You be be 100% certain Apple are watching this space. They would be idiots not to be, and I don't think they are idiots.
The bigger roadblock is that the OS is not designed to have local storage for the media files that iTunes depends on, therefore no iTunes on Chrome OS.
Yeah, I was just reading that it won?t support HDDs. Not that it can?t be made to support it or that SSDs won?t be getting cheaper and larger with each passing year, but that does hamper the ability to have use your PC as the primary storage for your iTunes content and makes even renting an SD movie a potential issue at this point.
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Will it be a hit? Who knows. I could certainly see it taking off in the developing world where cost is the critical factor.
That is what I think Google is primarily targeting for long term growth despite their netbook statements.
Chrome OS is a nice idea, but there's just some things that I can't do in a web browser that I need to do every day. Sure, it may be great for getting quick access to the internet and email, and it might even be fine for making documents and keeping track of my appointments, but for so much else you either can't do what you want in a browser or you can't do it the the extent or the way that you want. This will make it so Chrome OS is limited to personal use (like I can't do all my web design work within a browser), and even for personal use it won't be the only computer that you need (when was the last time someone managed to sync their ipod playlist with Google Chrome, and how will you be able to keep your family photos if you always have to take the time to upload them to Picasa?).
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM’s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
Actually, I didn't mean a Google-Apple partnership on iTunes, though I imagine that's a possibility to some degree.
Google seem to be in a position where they could integrate their various pieces and dominate the next generation of computers. And if they take IBM's strategy of making their technology work with everyone else they may sneak in very effectively. They have YouTube. Maps. Advertising. Google Talk, File storage. Office apps. Email and calendaring (becoming more collaborative?). Web browser. Android. OS.
What they don't have is something like iTunes of THEIR OWN.
Google could easily make their own media player - integrating tightly with the users own content (online), open online content, music etc. Purchase music from Amazon online or Sony etc etc. Sync music, contacts/addresses, and other content with EVERY music player and phone.
Already set up Ubuntu Jaunty for a family member months ago, on a horrible Acer notebook. I used to use Linux exclusively for a year back in 2005 - Mandrake (at least it was called Mandrake Linux back then), PClinuxOS - one of the best KDE implementations, and finally, Ubuntu.
Moved waaaay past "desktop Linux" years ago. It's old news to me. Definitely far below Apple quality. Still.
I will try this Google OS, however, but I'm in no rush.
Glad you tried out Linux variants! I meant using the linux os to build a Google OS, as stated in the document that tells you how to build ChromiumOS.
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Even as a secondary OS it can still make a dent in marketshare and installed base even if it doesn’t affect anyone’s sales or growth.
Absolutely. And Google is wise to say "this is a secondary OS". Like Apple, it undersells what's possible even though some users will push it to the limits. It manages the media expectations well.
Will people really want to load this on a computer?
I like the idea of sitting at ANY computer ANYWHERE, and getting my files, email, media etc. If this enables that then great. But I'll install the Chrome browser on my Mac and get it that way, rather than remove the MacOS!
It surprises me Google is targeting netbooks only. I'd have thought they could get 50% of the market if it just installs on all the old clunker machines... anything that runs Windows 98 to XP (but can't quite do Windows 7)
However, after witnessing the cannibalization of low end Windows PCs and notebooks by cheap netbooks, Microsoft outlined plans this summer to raise netbook prices using Windows 7.
Damn, I have to remember I'm reading RoughlyDrafted (on AppleInsider).
So, Microsoft outlined plans to raise netbook prices eh?
I fully expect to see a version of iTunes for this OS that is only HTML, CSS and JS before the launch next year. I feel that the iTunes Store Preview may be a piece of that puzzle. Apple can’t lose this huge potential market. If people get their first taste of computing without iTunes and can’t use an iDevice because of it then they may never go that route, which IMO makes this an important component for the future of Apple.
I agree, Apple needs to make sure it's in this game.
Google has so many fingers in so many pies, that if it pulls together it has a very compelling solution for most customers.
The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
I don't think this is aimed to replace your OS X "premium" experience. I think its a stand-alone deal. Its experience will be surfing the web. As long as it does that well, I would contend it would be a "premium" experience for what it is designed to do. Don't knock it until you've tried it! There's a version out there already. Download it and Ubuntu 9.10 (to compile) to give it a try and report back to us. I'll be doing the same!
Already set up Ubuntu Jaunty for a family member months ago, on a horrible Acer notebook. I used to use Linux exclusively for a year back in 2005 - Mandrake (at least it was called Mandrake Linux back then), PClinuxOS - one of the best KDE implementations, and finally, Ubuntu.
Moved waaaay past "desktop Linux" years ago. It's old news to me. Definitely far below Apple quality. Still.
I will try this Google OS, however, but I'm in no rush.
I agree, Apple needs to make sure it's in this game.
Google has so many fingers in so many pies, that if it pulls together it has a very compelling solution for most customers.
The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
Given Apple's track record, and their vision and remarkable knack for foretelling the future (even when no one else believes them), I'm willing to bet they've already got Google figured out on this one. Remember, this is Steve Jobs with the usual Apple team. Eric Schmidt can only "borrow" so many ideas from having sat on Apple's board before he runs out of them. Apple's got the entire industry figured out. I doubt this occasion is any different.
It surprises me Google is targeting netbooks only. I'd have thought they could get 50% of the market if it just installs on all the old clunker machines... anything that runs Windows 98 to XP (but can't quite do Windows 7)
Me, too. I think there are plenty of machine types and customers they are really focusing on. Netbooks may be a trojan horse and/or simply an identifiable way to market this simple OS.
Damn, I have to remember I'm reading RoughlyDrafted (on AppleInsider).
So, Microsoft outlined plans to raise netbook prices eh?
Kind of, they said that Win7 Starter Edition would be around $50 for OEMs. As I recall, the netbooks couldn?t run Vista so Linux was installed which pretty much forced MS to offer XP at a reduced rate to lose that marketshare, but the Linux netbooks were not a big hit and had plenty of returns, so it looks like MS knows that the OEMs have to pay for Win7 in order to successfully push their netbooks. (speculation)
The missing piece is a Google iTunes app... Google has to be working on their own iTunes app that connects to multiple stores and multiple mp3 players. I guess if (when?) they release their own it is a declaration of war on Apple, so they may hold back a while longer.
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM?s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
The backend uses WebOjects the front end is Carbon on Macs, which I am sure they’ll change to Cocoa for 2010’s iPod Special Event in the fall with a new iTunes X name. It will also then be 64-bit. With iTunes 9 they switched the iTunes Store to render HTML, CSS and JS. That is one a major part of the puzzle if they want iTunes on Chrome OS. The other part is just making the rest of the interface work with the HW so you can sync your iDevice. Is there any way Apple is not working with Google to have this as a default setup? It helps Google push their OS, it helps Apple push their iTunes/iDevice environment, and it helps Google and Apple hit MS in the lower end of the OS market.
Yes. You're dreaming if you think Apple is going to drive Google's platform to success.
Smartest thing I?ve seen so far about Chrome OS is this tweet by Alex Payne:
I have no opinion about Chrome OS. All I know is that cheap hardware feels cheap. It?s less ?cloud computing? than ?disposable computing?.
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Daring Fireball 09-11-19 6:10 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/
And I would hardly call the past thin client NCs "cloud centric". The buzzword "cloud computing" was not around when thin clients were first rolled out. Most of them are used on internal corporate networks and are really just a front-end to Windows apps running on some central corporate server. Think Citrix...
But it is always nice to have new options and competition. But when you can't get access to "the cloud" then you are dead. The recent SideKick problems come to mind.
Like I said, it will be useful to some people. I can't wait to look over at the car in traffic that nearly crashed into me and seeing the driver trying to type on their netbook instead of trying to text message like they do now.
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM?s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
The bigger roadblock is that the OS is not designed to have local storage for the media files that iTunes depends on, therefore no iTunes on Chrome OS.
It's primary advantage will be that it's architecture-agnostic. The same apps will run on x86, ARM or whatever else you want to throw at it.
Will it be a hit? Who knows. I could certainly see it taking off in the developing world where cost is the critical factor.
Should Apple worry about Chrome OS? Not at all...
What good would worrying do? Will this effect Apple's business in the future. Absolutely. The question is, by how much? Probably not a huge, huge amount, but who knows what the future holds really. No one.
You be be 100% certain Apple are watching this space. They would be idiots not to be, and I don't think they are idiots.
The bigger roadblock is that the OS is not designed to have local storage for the media files that iTunes depends on, therefore no iTunes on Chrome OS.
Yeah, I was just reading that it won?t support HDDs. Not that it can?t be made to support it or that SSDs won?t be getting cheaper and larger with each passing year, but that does hamper the ability to have use your PC as the primary storage for your iTunes content and makes even renting an SD movie a potential issue at this point.
Will it be a hit? Who knows. I could certainly see it taking off in the developing world where cost is the critical factor.
That is what I think Google is primarily targeting for long term growth despite their netbook statements.
True but most people use 'sleep mode' on their laptops/desktops so it only takes a few seconds to be up and running anyway.
No, most people do not.
Be sure to have Flip4Mac installed.
Doesn't look like a Premium experience, now does it?
Like the AppleTVs?
So long as it connects to the iTS, syncs to iDevices and allows for their DRMed content then I think Apple will be okay with it but Apple needs to have control of this app at the OS level or license FairPlay to get DRM’s videos or apps purchased and synced. That seems like a major roadblock.
Actually, I didn't mean a Google-Apple partnership on iTunes, though I imagine that's a possibility to some degree.
Google seem to be in a position where they could integrate their various pieces and dominate the next generation of computers. And if they take IBM's strategy of making their technology work with everyone else they may sneak in very effectively. They have YouTube. Maps. Advertising. Google Talk, File storage. Office apps. Email and calendaring (becoming more collaborative?). Web browser. Android. OS.
What they don't have is something like iTunes of THEIR OWN.
Google could easily make their own media player - integrating tightly with the users own content (online), open online content, music etc. Purchase music from Amazon online or Sony etc etc. Sync music, contacts/addresses, and other content with EVERY music player and phone.
Already set up Ubuntu Jaunty for a family member months ago, on a horrible Acer notebook. I used to use Linux exclusively for a year back in 2005 - Mandrake (at least it was called Mandrake Linux back then), PClinuxOS - one of the best KDE implementations, and finally, Ubuntu.
Moved waaaay past "desktop Linux" years ago. It's old news to me. Definitely far below Apple quality. Still.
I will try this Google OS, however, but I'm in no rush.
Glad you tried out Linux variants! I meant using the linux os to build a Google OS, as stated in the document that tells you how to build ChromiumOS.
Late 2010?? Might be a very different ballgame by then.