It's the problem in Asia, SouthEastAsia... There's too much greed going around for real innovation to bloom.
I wouldn't really say this about any country except india, and even then "greed" is the wrong word. Greed is fine. The problem in India is a lack of honor/respect and a lack of experience to realize that the most money can be made through partnerships, not through bullying. Otherwise, we would be doing a lot more business with India than we are with China.
Gotta bump this for the roll out of the "JooJoo", nee CrunchPad.
Mike Arrington free, 12" touch screen, nothing but a web browser, $500.
I'm having trouble understanding how they plan to sell such a limited device for $500. A full OS, apps running pad in this form factor for $500? Sure. What they're selling, for $200? Yep. But half a grand for a browser? No way.
Gotta bump this for the roll out of the "JooJoo", nee CrunchPad.
Mike Arrington free, 12" touch screen, nothing but a web browser, $500.
I'm having trouble understanding how they plan to sell such a limited device for $500. A full OS, apps running pad in this form factor for $500? Sure. What they're selling, for $200? Yep. But half a grand for a browser? No way.
So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
I vote for that. I don't even know why Arrington wants to lay claim to this thing. Maybe when it tanks in the market he'll lose interest. Or claim it would have been awesome if they'd made it his way.
I wonder if Arrington follows through on his lawsuit. The Fusion Garage guy refutes much of Arrington's claims. It seems to me that Arrington's credibility and that of TechCrunch are a bit at stake. Who would believe him, or TC after this otherwise?
Also I agree with Nvidia and Addabox, it looks way more interesting at $300 than $500.
I wonder if Arrington follows through on his lawsuit. The Fusion Garage guy *refutes* much of Arrington's claims. It seems to me that Arrington's credibility and that of TechCrunch are a bit at stake. Who would believe him, or TC after this otherwise?
Did I miss something? I think dispute is a more applicable term here, to refute is to prove they're wrong, and I don't remember anything like that.
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So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
I don't think it's going to work except in the unlikely event that there's something desirable about the pad that's unmatched elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008
The f*king key is if you guys/gals in the US can somehow get back on the manufacturing bus. Software creation and innovation surges ahead but when it comes to physical stuff you're hampered by having to go through India and China, etc. Many people get regularly get burned by doing business in China... I guess in this case this Indian company thought they'd grab something and sell it themselves without worrying about any recourse.
There must be cities in the USA, or perhaps some other reputable manufacturing cities in different parts of the world that can produce reasonably priced material.
There needs to be a manufacturing revolution that takes away the dominance from the way things are made in China, or at least take a nibble out of the Chinese dominance in manufacturing.
Some new revolution in machining, 3D/ prototype/ moulding/ logic board "printing" etc.
It's almost 2010 and cheap human labour all around the world still trumps machines in many cases.
All that is still possible, it's just a lot more expensive, you have to have a larger capital investment to offset the higher costs of operating in a developed country. I've done circuit board design & programming, but nothing for consumer use, it was for industrial use. Industrial uses will accept a higher price, generally meaning that it's more reliable and more maintainable than a consumer equivalent. 3D rapid prototyping is pretty expensive, I would venture $60 or more for 16 cubic centimeters for something that makes a useful part, not just a pretty part-shaped mock-up.
I currently make sell mechanical parts for the pro and semi-pro video market. I'm hoping to make something for the consumer market soon.
"Ouch" is right... Laporte is known to get a little touchy now and then (probably due to overwork) but this was one for the ages.
They talked about this project on TWiT this week. I guess I recall the time of the incident a bit more, I heard about the "screw you!" gift idea several months ago, but didn't know what that that was about. I just subscribe, I don't go on forums talking about what they talked about, so I missed out on all that.
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It's the problem in Asia, SouthEastAsia... There's too much greed going around for real innovation to bloom.
I wouldn't really say this about any country except india, and even then "greed" is the wrong word. Greed is fine. The problem in India is a lack of honor/respect and a lack of experience to realize that the most money can be made through partnerships, not through bullying. Otherwise, we would be doing a lot more business with India than we are with China.
Mike Arrington free, 12" touch screen, nothing but a web browser, $500.
I'm having trouble understanding how they plan to sell such a limited device for $500. A full OS, apps running pad in this form factor for $500? Sure. What they're selling, for $200? Yep. But half a grand for a browser? No way.
Gotta bump this for the roll out of the "JooJoo", nee CrunchPad.
Mike Arrington free, 12" touch screen, nothing but a web browser, $500.
I'm having trouble understanding how they plan to sell such a limited device for $500. A full OS, apps running pad in this form factor for $500? Sure. What they're selling, for $200? Yep. But half a grand for a browser? No way.
So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
I vote for that. I don't even know why Arrington wants to lay claim to this thing. Maybe when it tanks in the market he'll lose interest. Or claim it would have been awesome if they'd made it his way.
Also I agree with Nvidia and Addabox, it looks way more interesting at $300 than $500.
I wonder if Arrington follows through on his lawsuit. The Fusion Garage guy *refutes* much of Arrington's claims. It seems to me that Arrington's credibility and that of TechCrunch are a bit at stake. Who would believe him, or TC after this otherwise?
Did I miss something? I think dispute is a more applicable term here, to refute is to prove they're wrong, and I don't remember anything like that.
So do we believe Mike Arrington or Fusion Garage? I'm lost. Maybe we believe neither and realise this JooJoo is on the fast train to failtown.
I don't think it's going to work except in the unlikely event that there's something desirable about the pad that's unmatched elsewhere.
The f*king key is if you guys/gals in the US can somehow get back on the manufacturing bus. Software creation and innovation surges ahead but when it comes to physical stuff you're hampered by having to go through India and China, etc. Many people get regularly get burned by doing business in China... I guess in this case this Indian company thought they'd grab something and sell it themselves without worrying about any recourse.
There must be cities in the USA, or perhaps some other reputable manufacturing cities in different parts of the world that can produce reasonably priced material.
There needs to be a manufacturing revolution that takes away the dominance from the way things are made in China, or at least take a nibble out of the Chinese dominance in manufacturing.
Some new revolution in machining, 3D/ prototype/ moulding/ logic board "printing" etc.
It's almost 2010 and cheap human labour all around the world still trumps machines in many cases.
All that is still possible, it's just a lot more expensive, you have to have a larger capital investment to offset the higher costs of operating in a developed country. I've done circuit board design & programming, but nothing for consumer use, it was for industrial use. Industrial uses will accept a higher price, generally meaning that it's more reliable and more maintainable than a consumer equivalent. 3D rapid prototyping is pretty expensive, I would venture $60 or more for 16 cubic centimeters for something that makes a useful part, not just a pretty part-shaped mock-up.
I currently make sell mechanical parts for the pro and semi-pro video market. I'm hoping to make something for the consumer market soon.
"Ouch" is right...
They talked about this project on TWiT this week. I guess I recall the time of the incident a bit more, I heard about the "screw you!" gift idea several months ago, but didn't know what that that was about. I just subscribe, I don't go on forums talking about what they talked about, so I missed out on all that.