My money says that Apple buys T-Mobile and releases the tablet together. Pour a couple of billion into upgrading the network directly to 4G. It ties the macosphere together and there a few gajillion iPhone users who would switch instantly when their ATT contract ends.
Noticed a T-Mo ad today pushing 3G and this immediately came to my mind as well. I'm still a little suspicious about it though; it makes great sense for T-Mo as a way to come back and kick what is left of Sprint. It doesn't however do a whole lot for AT&T. If they couldn't get the QCom chip at the right price in the quantities they are looking at I would be quite surprised.
Maybe this means that the Google Phone will use VZ for data...?
More antennas! More, smaller base stations! Leverage all the WiFi hotspots!
If T-Mo really wants to make a push for it, LTE looks like too long-term of a plan. It would preserve capital, but it would keep their 3g (not to mention 2/2.5g) coverage pretty weak.
Noticed a T-Mo ad today pushing 3G and this immediately came to my mind as well. I'm still a little suspicious about it though; it makes great sense for T-Mo as a way to come back and kick what is left of Sprint. It doesn't however do a whole lot for AT&T. If they couldn't get the QCom chip at the right price in the quantities they are looking at I would be quite surprised.
Maybe this means that the Google Phone will use VZ for data...?
Bingo! Google "phone" might be a data handset that taps into VZ 3G data only, then uses Google Voice as internet phone service. It would be similar to getting a 3G data card for your laptop... only the handset is like the laptop. Considering the FCC's position, VZ might not be able to say no.
When I had a Blackberry on T-Mobile, I was able to talk and use data at the same time. Apparently some EDGE towers support this, some don't. In Boston, they do. Slow as hell but still useful.
Verizon's CDMA network is slower than planned/future AT&T 3G of 7.2Mb and 14Mb and as we all know, does not support concurrent voice/data,,,,,which Apple is persistently advertising as a unique feature.
this would be AWESOME. and i don't use that word very often. awesome only because use the 'pay as you go plan' (currently, roughly 3 months for $25), then get rid of my land line.
my current t-mobile phone is nothing to write home about, but if it was an iphone, it would be a completely different story.
Didn't Blackberry own the Business Market? There would be no need for a commercial.
Wasn't Palm's TREO or Handspring's Visor and added accesories, etc. meant more for the consumer versus Blackberry business unit?
Verizon and Droid may know what they are doing... NOW... but from the testing of the Droid and Palm PRE at my local Best Buy, for me personally, I'm not impressed with either product and especially their much touted physical keyboards!
Didn't Blackberry own the Business Market? There would be no need for a commercial.
Wasn't Palm's TREO or Handspring's Visor and added accesories, etc. meant more for the consumer versus Blackberry business unit?
Verizon and Droid may know what they are doing... NOW... but from the testing of the Droid and Palm PRE at my local Best Buy, for me personally, I'm not impressed with either product and especially their much touted physical keyboards!
He doesn?t understand that with a consumer product you have to advertise relentlessly. Especially if you ?own? the market. Have you ever heard of a company saying, ?We have the most market share so let?s stop wasting money on advertising?? I haven?t. If that were the case then I wouldn?t see Coca-Cola and McDonalds ads all the time. Maybe RiM should have advertised more.
If it does happen, it will forced AT&T to drop prices. AT&T might have a bigger network but in some places their coverage is about the same. A iPhone with a T mobile unlimited everything plan for $99 or less a month will sure be sweet.
If it does happen, it will forced AT&T to drop prices. AT&T might have a bigger network but in some places their coverage is about the same. A iPhone with a T mobile unlimited everything plan for $99 or less a month will sure be sweet.
Is that what they charge now for unlimited everything? I wouldn?t bet on the iPhone falling into that category if interest is as high as i expect it to be. They could at least squeeze another $10 or $20 of customers, especially if they are subsidizing it as much as AT&T is.
Its been annoying to see people claiming the iPhone is coming to Verizon. A) Not while Verizon is using CDMA, Not until Verizon and ATT switch to LTE
It just doesnt make sense to add functionality to something that is end of life. Verizon is moving to LTE, Tmobile is already on GSM like ATT (granted, different frequencies, but thats a much easier fix than CDMA support.
Just a quick note here: the iDon't ads are Motorola's not Verizon's. Verizon may accept them as Motorola's right to advertise their product, but not represent Verizon's ideas about the iPhone.
First, Tmobile doesn't lock down their network nor even try to heavily modify their phones to use their own services. That would help them lure Apple.
Second, Tmobile tends to be very good about compensating for their network. They have no problem applying VOIP calling within certain plans.
Third and final point, people don't mind the network being a bit spotty when they pay a reasonable dollar. They really mind it when they pay top dollar though.
AT&T demands a $30 data plan even if you live in areas with no 3G. They don't allow you to hook up a used iPhone without a two year contract. In short they are ridiculous and Tmobile could easily grab some folks with a $25 data plan and free VOIP being included. Add in the ability to buy and finance an iPhone with a lower priced plan and they could grab some serious share.
First, Tmobile doesn't lock down their network nor even try to heavily modify their phones to use their own services. That would help them lure Apple.
Second, Tmobile tends to be very good about compensating for their network. They have no problem applying VOIP calling within certain plans.
Third and final point, people don't mind the network being a bit spotty when they pay a reasonable dollar. They really mind it when they pay top dollar though.
AT&T demands a $30 data plan even if you live in areas with no 3G. They don't allow you to hook up a used iPhone without a two year contract. In short they are ridiculous and Tmobile could easily grab some folks with a $25 data plan and free VOIP being included. Add in the ability to buy and finance an iPhone with a lower priced plan and they could grab some serious share.
T-Mobile doesn't lock down their stuff in the US because they can't --- they are too small in size and their network is full of cheap customers.
T-Mobile in Germany --- being part of Germany's incumbant landline giant, is a million times worst in locking stuff down --- because they can.
Just a quick note here: the iDon't ads are Motorola's not Verizon's. Verizon may accept them as Motorola's right to advertise their product, but not represent Verizon's ideas about the iPhone.
Actually, this is an interesting point of confusion. The ads seem to be by Verizon. It's true that this is a Motorola handset, but Verizon appears to be pumping money into promoting it. Or it could be a situation of cooperative advertising. But if the consumer is confused about who is paying for the ad, then it opens a door to potential legal action.
Just a quick note here: the iDon't ads are Motorola's not Verizon's. Verizon may accept them as Motorola's right to advertise their product, but not represent Verizon's ideas about the iPhone.
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Actually, this is an interesting point of confusion. The ads seem to be by Verizon. It's true that this is a Motorola handset, but Verizon appears to be pumping money into promoting it. Or it could be a situation of cooperative advertising. But if the consumer is confused about who is paying for the ad, then it opens a door to potential legal action.
Interesting. It seemed like they were Verizon ads promoting the then unreleased Droid.
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OK cool- so at least it's better than the situation with Verizon.
Verizon does have plenty of pros with their network, too.
My money says that Apple buys T-Mobile and releases the tablet together. Pour a couple of billion into upgrading the network directly to 4G. It ties the macosphere together and there a few gajillion iPhone users who would switch instantly when their ATT contract ends.
T-Mobile is the USA arm of Deutsche Telekom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Telekom
They are marching ahead with 4G LTE.
http://www.electronista.com/articles...direct.to.lte/
Maybe this means that the Google Phone will use VZ for data...?
They are marching ahead with 4G LTE.
http://www.electronista.com/articles...direct.to.lte/
More antennas! More, smaller base stations! Leverage all the WiFi hotspots!
If T-Mo really wants to make a push for it, LTE looks like too long-term of a plan. It would preserve capital, but it would keep their 3g (not to mention 2/2.5g) coverage pretty weak.
Noticed a T-Mo ad today pushing 3G and this immediately came to my mind as well. I'm still a little suspicious about it though; it makes great sense for T-Mo as a way to come back and kick what is left of Sprint. It doesn't however do a whole lot for AT&T. If they couldn't get the QCom chip at the right price in the quantities they are looking at I would be quite surprised.
Maybe this means that the Google Phone will use VZ for data...?
Bingo! Google "phone" might be a data handset that taps into VZ 3G data only, then uses Google Voice as internet phone service. It would be similar to getting a 3G data card for your laptop... only the handset is like the laptop. Considering the FCC's position, VZ might not be able to say no.
Since I have T-Mobile and am happy with their service, please be true! Pretty please.
I'm also on T-mobile and would be interested.
Verizon's CDMA network is slower than planned/future AT&T 3G of 7.2Mb and 14Mb and as we all know, does not support concurrent voice/data,,,,,which Apple is persistently advertising as a unique feature.
my current t-mobile phone is nothing to write home about, but if it was an iphone, it would be a completely different story.
keeping my fingers crossed.
Yuck- T- Mobile's map is even less full than AT&T's?
Do they still use Catherine Zeta Jones at least?
GIGGITY, GIGGITY... Oh, Yeah!... Catherine Zeta Jones is still out there for T-Mobile...
T-Mo may be less full then At&T but for the most part, I can't complain for my particular location on the Virginia coastal area...
Blackberry owned the market - why would there need to be a commercial?
Anyway Verizon and Droid apparently know what they are doing:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10...html?tag=mncol
http://cnettv.cnet.com/ep-1115-droid...html?tag=mncol
Didn't Blackberry own the Business Market? There would be no need for a commercial.
Wasn't Palm's TREO or Handspring's Visor and added accesories, etc. meant more for the consumer versus Blackberry business unit?
Verizon and Droid may know what they are doing... NOW... but from the testing of the Droid and Palm PRE at my local Best Buy, for me personally, I'm not impressed with either product and especially their much touted physical keyboards!
Didn't Blackberry own the Business Market? There would be no need for a commercial.
Wasn't Palm's TREO or Handspring's Visor and added accesories, etc. meant more for the consumer versus Blackberry business unit?
Verizon and Droid may know what they are doing... NOW... but from the testing of the Droid and Palm PRE at my local Best Buy, for me personally, I'm not impressed with either product and especially their much touted physical keyboards!
He doesn?t understand that with a consumer product you have to advertise relentlessly. Especially if you ?own? the market. Have you ever heard of a company saying, ?We have the most market share so let?s stop wasting money on advertising?? I haven?t. If that were the case then I wouldn?t see Coca-Cola and McDonalds ads all the time. Maybe RiM should have advertised more.
If it does happen, it will forced AT&T to drop prices. AT&T might have a bigger network but in some places their coverage is about the same. A iPhone with a T mobile unlimited everything plan for $99 or less a month will sure be sweet.
Is that what they charge now for unlimited everything? I wouldn?t bet on the iPhone falling into that category if interest is as high as i expect it to be. They could at least squeeze another $10 or $20 of customers, especially if they are subsidizing it as much as AT&T is.
It just doesnt make sense to add functionality to something that is end of life. Verizon is moving to LTE, Tmobile is already on GSM like ATT (granted, different frequencies, but thats a much easier fix than CDMA support.
First, Tmobile doesn't lock down their network nor even try to heavily modify their phones to use their own services. That would help them lure Apple.
Second, Tmobile tends to be very good about compensating for their network. They have no problem applying VOIP calling within certain plans.
Third and final point, people don't mind the network being a bit spotty when they pay a reasonable dollar. They really mind it when they pay top dollar though.
AT&T demands a $30 data plan even if you live in areas with no 3G. They don't allow you to hook up a used iPhone without a two year contract. In short they are ridiculous and Tmobile could easily grab some folks with a $25 data plan and free VOIP being included. Add in the ability to buy and finance an iPhone with a lower priced plan and they could grab some serious share.
A few points in Tmobile's favor here.
First, Tmobile doesn't lock down their network nor even try to heavily modify their phones to use their own services. That would help them lure Apple.
Second, Tmobile tends to be very good about compensating for their network. They have no problem applying VOIP calling within certain plans.
Third and final point, people don't mind the network being a bit spotty when they pay a reasonable dollar. They really mind it when they pay top dollar though.
AT&T demands a $30 data plan even if you live in areas with no 3G. They don't allow you to hook up a used iPhone without a two year contract. In short they are ridiculous and Tmobile could easily grab some folks with a $25 data plan and free VOIP being included. Add in the ability to buy and finance an iPhone with a lower priced plan and they could grab some serious share.
T-Mobile doesn't lock down their stuff in the US because they can't --- they are too small in size and their network is full of cheap customers.
T-Mobile in Germany --- being part of Germany's incumbant landline giant, is a million times worst in locking stuff down --- because they can.
Just a quick note here: the iDon't ads are Motorola's not Verizon's. Verizon may accept them as Motorola's right to advertise their product, but not represent Verizon's ideas about the iPhone.
Actually, this is an interesting point of confusion. The ads seem to be by Verizon. It's true that this is a Motorola handset, but Verizon appears to be pumping money into promoting it. Or it could be a situation of cooperative advertising. But if the consumer is confused about who is paying for the ad, then it opens a door to potential legal action.
Just a quick note here: the iDon't ads are Motorola's not Verizon's. Verizon may accept them as Motorola's right to advertise their product, but not represent Verizon's ideas about the iPhone.
Actually, this is an interesting point of confusion. The ads seem to be by Verizon. It's true that this is a Motorola handset, but Verizon appears to be pumping money into promoting it. Or it could be a situation of cooperative advertising. But if the consumer is confused about who is paying for the ad, then it opens a door to potential legal action.
Interesting. It seemed like they were Verizon ads promoting the then unreleased Droid.