I wouldn't be celebrating. This could bring business and institution Mac sales to halt. I don't know if a school or business would use open office and iWork's compatibility is far from seamless.
iWork PRO?? Anyway, wasn't Google looking at internet or cloud office capabilities?
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Originally Posted by frugality
Leaving Apple to have a monopoly? Not a good idea.
It was Microsoft v Apple, now it's Apple v Google... monopoly can be subjective...
You've never actually paid for any MS software, have you?
Last time I bought Office 2007 Home and Student (3 licenses), I got it for $29 when Circuit City was going out of business. The first time I bought it, I paid something $100 on launch day for Office 2007 Home and Student. Pretty reasonable to me.
I just bought Windows 7 Professional Upgrade a couple of weeks ago to run in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro and I paid just $30 for it (have a friend who has an .edu email address).
And I bought Windows 7 Premium Upgrade for my wife's computer for $50 a few months ago when Microsoft was running its special pricing.
To tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with MS's pricing.
he was referencing the fact if microsoft closed its doors there was an implication that the next successor would be apple to gain the majority market share.
MS has already been working on a compliant-version of Word, ready for sale by January 11th. There will bo no hiccup in sales of Office. MS is more or less unaffected by this.
Office sales wil continue as per usual until the 11th, by which time (if not earlier), compliant versions will be shipping. Office is not banned. The offending code is banned from appearing in Office products.
I just bought Windows 7 Professional Upgrade a couple of weeks ago to run in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro and I paid just $30 for it (have a friend who has an .edu email address).
To tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with MS's pricing.
but you may have a problem with Microsoft's EULA if you've got a product at student and educators' pricing if neither is applicable to you.
Why stop at getting software at a cheap price from your friend the student? May as well go the whole nine yards and download (i.e. steal) a copy from a torrent.
I wouldn't be celebrating. This could bring business and institution Mac sales to halt. I don't know if a school or business would use open office and iWork's compatibility is far from seamless.
seems a bit of FUD there. those that want to use Macs will use them. they will find a way around the gap between versions or use something like Open Office or iwork until then. that is if it is really an issue for them.
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros. In fact Pixar used Linux to run their renderfarm under Steve Jobs, he knows.
Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu installed, the best desktop version of Linux. 10% of netbooks run Linux according to a article I read. I use it in VM Fusion, getting up to speed on it and will be installing it or buying it preinstalled on my new netbooks. It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
Many Mac users would be surprised how similar Linux is to OS X under the hood. Permissions, Bash, command line are nearly the same.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Microsoft and Apple have been corning the market for years now. One plays low quality and the other high quality. Apple stays out of the business market and Microsoft keeps their lemmings buying anti-virus and produces OfficeMac.
Apple even sells OfficeMac, preinstalled if someone wants it. I find NeoOffice or Open Office (same thing, NeoOffice converted Open Office to a Mac version first, before Sun finally did) a excellent alternative to anything from security prone Microsoft.
Pass me some of what you are smoking because it must be the good stuff. I must have missed iLife 09 and iWork 09, and native MS Excel on Ubuntu. NeoOffice or OO3 do not offer an Excel competitor (neither does Apple) but at least we have a native version for OS X.
You also forgot so easy my mom and mom-in-law can use it. When those little things happen, let me know.
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros. In fact Pixar used Linux to run their renderfarm under Steve Jobs, he knows.
Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu installed, the best desktop version of Linux. 10% of netbooks run Linux according to a article I read. I use it in VM Fusion, getting up to speed on it and will be installing it or buying it preinstalled on my new netbooks. It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
Many Mac users would be surprised how similar Linux is to OS X under the hood. Permissions, Bash, command line are nearly the same.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Microsoft and Apple have been corning the market for years now. One plays low quality and the other high quality. Apple stays out of the business market and Microsoft keeps their lemmings buying anti-virus and produces OfficeMac.
Apple even sells OfficeMac, preinstalled if someone wants it. I find NeoOffice or Open Office (same thing, NeoOffice converted Open Office to a Mac version first, before Sun finally did) a excellent alternative to anything from security prone Microsoft.
1. KDE4's WM crashing when it feels like it, or just the fact it was released not really done at all.
2. Poor ACPI support due to the fact of how closed doors it is, leading to Linux having the worst battery life of any OS for laptops.
3. The sad fact that WINE runs FireFox and other popular Windows apps FASTER than the native version for Linux.
If you like an always unfinished OS where the GUI software barely talks to the lower layers of the OS (please, show me how easy it is to config your video card), sure, Linux is for you. For the rest of the world who wants vendor support, you buy anything else, and you buy Apple for the best support.
Btw, I'm typing this in FF on SuSE Linux 11.2, with Handbrake and Avidemux in the background working.
Why stop at getting software at a cheap price from your friend the student? May as well go the whole nine yards and download (i.e. steal) a copy from a torrent.
Quite a leap, don't ya think? I guess you've never used a friend or family member to get special pricing on something?!
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros.
It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Ease of use of Linux?! Best joke I've heard all day!
Like you, I have VMFusion on a Mac with Ubuntu, Mythbuntu, DSL AND Windows sitting side by side. I have gone through the pain and agony of building a media centre from scratch using Mythbuntu as the OS. I can honestly say I could have earned enough to buy a Mac Pro with the time I had spent sorting out endless headaches with the Mythbuntu media centre: downloading updates, typing away at the command line, peering through endless queries on ubuntuforums.org etc.
Most people are too busy living life, trying to look after their families and careers to spend time messing around with their computer. I do it because it's a hobby of mine but there's more to life. That's why they've been record sales of macs, they just work.
As for Windows, well it's ubiquitous so you're bound to find someone who can sort it out if there's a problem; even Windows works a lot better than Linux.
Ubuntu is nearly to the same level as Windows but still a big bag of hurt.
Anyway I'm going off topic.
P.S. The media centre works (reasonably) fine but I update the distro at my peril!
I don't see how it's quite a leap - you're buying a copy at a special price by lying about your right to buy it.
What does that have to do with not paying a dime to Microsoft and downloading a hacked version from the internet?
Either way, it's no different than people who buy Office 2007 Home and Student who are neither students nor home users. I know plenty of people that use the software in business environments. Most people just use it as a cheap way to get the most frequently used Office applications.
It's funny that Microsoft is targeting the 2010 holiday season for the next version of Mac Office. Who would buy Mac Office as a Christmas present? It could be useful as a threat, though: "You'd better be good or Santa will leave a copy of Microsoft Office under the tree!"
You've never actually paid for any MS software, have you?
Well, MS is cheap as a part of complete package, as in hardware plus software... which is probably the way most people purchase their OS and Office suites.
For others, well, it is everyone for himself. As an example, my wife - working at University of Auckland - just got Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade from University's IT shop for - NZ$20.00. That would be US$14. Yes it is only upgrade and only one version - 32 or 64 bit, but still. IT shop also apologies for 7 being expensive - Vista Business (full) and Office 2007 Ultimate were and still are offered for NZ$12.00.
At the end of the day, MS hasn't got nice, shiny, expensive hardware to cover for under-priced software. It is very different model from Apple to compare.
Leaving Apple to have a monopoly? Not a good idea. Apple is already showing too many 'Big Brother' characteristics as it is... At least MS is cheap. Get rid of the cheap monopoly, and you're left with Apple being an expensive monopoly.
I used to be afraid of Microsoft, never been afraid of Apple, but I think the one company capable of becoming "big brother" is GOOGLE...search engines, indexing, scanning books, email, applications, cloud computing, advertising, phones, operating systems, etc.
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I wouldn't be celebrating. This could bring business and institution Mac sales to halt. I don't know if a school or business would use open office and iWork's compatibility is far from seamless.
iWork PRO?? Anyway, wasn't Google looking at internet or cloud office capabilities?
Leaving Apple to have a monopoly? Not a good idea.
It was Microsoft v Apple, now it's Apple v Google... monopoly can be subjective...
You've never actually paid for any MS software, have you?
Last time I bought Office 2007 Home and Student (3 licenses), I got it for $29 when Circuit City was going out of business. The first time I bought it, I paid something $100 on launch day for Office 2007 Home and Student. Pretty reasonable to me.
I just bought Windows 7 Professional Upgrade a couple of weeks ago to run in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro and I paid just $30 for it (have a friend who has an .edu email address).
And I bought Windows 7 Premium Upgrade for my wife's computer for $50 a few months ago when Microsoft was running its special pricing.
To tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with MS's pricing.
you didnt read what he was referencing.
he was referencing the fact if microsoft closed its doors there was an implication that the next successor would be apple to gain the majority market share.
how does that work ??
office 2007 is banned and apple becomes a ....
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Office sales wil continue as per usual until the 11th, by which time (if not earlier), compliant versions will be shipping. Office is not banned. The offending code is banned from appearing in Office products.
I just bought Windows 7 Professional Upgrade a couple of weeks ago to run in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro and I paid just $30 for it (have a friend who has an .edu email address).
To tell you the truth, I have no problems at all with MS's pricing.
but you may have a problem with Microsoft's EULA if you've got a product at student and educators' pricing if neither is applicable to you.
Why stop at getting software at a cheap price from your friend the student? May as well go the whole nine yards and download (i.e. steal) a copy from a torrent.
I wouldn't be celebrating. This could bring business and institution Mac sales to halt. I don't know if a school or business would use open office and iWork's compatibility is far from seamless.
seems a bit of FUD there. those that want to use Macs will use them. they will find a way around the gap between versions or use something like Open Office or iwork until then. that is if it is really an issue for them.
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros. In fact Pixar used Linux to run their renderfarm under Steve Jobs, he knows.
Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu installed, the best desktop version of Linux. 10% of netbooks run Linux according to a article I read. I use it in VM Fusion, getting up to speed on it and will be installing it or buying it preinstalled on my new netbooks. It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
Many Mac users would be surprised how similar Linux is to OS X under the hood. Permissions, Bash, command line are nearly the same.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Microsoft and Apple have been corning the market for years now. One plays low quality and the other high quality. Apple stays out of the business market and Microsoft keeps their lemmings buying anti-virus and produces OfficeMac.
Apple even sells OfficeMac, preinstalled if someone wants it. I find NeoOffice or Open Office (same thing, NeoOffice converted Open Office to a Mac version first, before Sun finally did) a excellent alternative to anything from security prone Microsoft.
Free yourself from Microsoft, free the world.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://ubuntuforums.org/
http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
http://www.openoffice.org/
Pass me some of what you are smoking because it must be the good stuff. I must have missed iLife 09 and iWork 09, and native MS Excel on Ubuntu. NeoOffice or OO3 do not offer an Excel competitor (neither does Apple) but at least we have a native version for OS X.
You also forgot so easy my mom and mom-in-law can use it. When those little things happen, let me know.
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros. In fact Pixar used Linux to run their renderfarm under Steve Jobs, he knows.
Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu installed, the best desktop version of Linux. 10% of netbooks run Linux according to a article I read. I use it in VM Fusion, getting up to speed on it and will be installing it or buying it preinstalled on my new netbooks. It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
Many Mac users would be surprised how similar Linux is to OS X under the hood. Permissions, Bash, command line are nearly the same.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Microsoft and Apple have been corning the market for years now. One plays low quality and the other high quality. Apple stays out of the business market and Microsoft keeps their lemmings buying anti-virus and produces OfficeMac.
Apple even sells OfficeMac, preinstalled if someone wants it. I find NeoOffice or Open Office (same thing, NeoOffice converted Open Office to a Mac version first, before Sun finally did) a excellent alternative to anything from security prone Microsoft.
Free yourself from Microsoft, free the world.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://ubuntuforums.org/
http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
http://www.openoffice.org/
Really? I'm sure you are happy about:
1. KDE4's WM crashing when it feels like it, or just the fact it was released not really done at all.
2. Poor ACPI support due to the fact of how closed doors it is, leading to Linux having the worst battery life of any OS for laptops.
3. The sad fact that WINE runs FireFox and other popular Windows apps FASTER than the native version for Linux.
If you like an always unfinished OS where the GUI software barely talks to the lower layers of the OS (please, show me how easy it is to config your video card), sure, Linux is for you. For the rest of the world who wants vendor support, you buy anything else, and you buy Apple for the best support.
Btw, I'm typing this in FF on SuSE Linux 11.2, with Handbrake and Avidemux in the background working.
Uh oh, people will have to start using the old formats of .doc again! Oh noes!
No, wait, maybe Microsoft should start using .odt! That's just a free, easy documented, umm, uh, XML based, format...
Why stop at getting software at a cheap price from your friend the student? May as well go the whole nine yards and download (i.e. steal) a copy from a torrent.
Quite a leap, don't ya think? I guess you've never used a friend or family member to get special pricing on something?!
Apple is threatened by Linux, it has better security, more customization and less bloat than OS X and it's free for most distros.
It's very easy to use, nearly the same as OS X and the GUI is customizable. But it's not really for 'GUI only' newbies, one will need to hit the command line once in awhile and have a understanding how computers work.
The reason Apple is threatened by Linux, especially Ubuntu, is that it offers the security and ease of use of OS X, without the high price of the premium hardware attached.
Ease of use of Linux?! Best joke I've heard all day!
Like you, I have VMFusion on a Mac with Ubuntu, Mythbuntu, DSL AND Windows sitting side by side. I have gone through the pain and agony of building a media centre from scratch using Mythbuntu as the OS. I can honestly say I could have earned enough to buy a Mac Pro with the time I had spent sorting out endless headaches with the Mythbuntu media centre: downloading updates, typing away at the command line, peering through endless queries on ubuntuforums.org etc.
Most people are too busy living life, trying to look after their families and careers to spend time messing around with their computer. I do it because it's a hobby of mine but there's more to life. That's why they've been record sales of macs, they just work.
As for Windows, well it's ubiquitous so you're bound to find someone who can sort it out if there's a problem; even Windows works a lot better than Linux.
Ubuntu is nearly to the same level as Windows but still a big bag of hurt.
Anyway I'm going off topic.
P.S. The media centre works (reasonably) fine but I update the distro at my peril!
Quite a leap, don't ya think? I guess you've never used a friend or family member to get special pricing on something?!
I don't see how it's quite a leap - you're buying a copy at a special price by lying about your right to buy it.
I don't see how it's quite a leap - you're buying a copy at a special price by lying about your right to buy it.
What does that have to do with not paying a dime to Microsoft and downloading a hacked version from the internet?
Either way, it's no different than people who buy Office 2007 Home and Student who are neither students nor home users. I know plenty of people that use the software in business environments. Most people just use it as a cheap way to get the most frequently used Office applications.
But then again, MS is still getting paid.
Quite a leap, don't ya think? I guess you've never used a friend or family member to get special pricing on something?!
On reflection, no.
The issue is whether you're entitled to purchase it under the terms of that licence.
Microsoft have made it a condition of licence that the software is at a particular price only for for a particular group of people.
Such discounted pricing could be jeopardised if everybody (and every business) took advantage of a student they "knew".
You've never actually paid for any MS software, have you?
Well, MS is cheap as a part of complete package, as in hardware plus software... which is probably the way most people purchase their OS and Office suites.
For others, well, it is everyone for himself. As an example, my wife - working at University of Auckland - just got Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade from University's IT shop for - NZ$20.00. That would be US$14. Yes it is only upgrade and only one version - 32 or 64 bit, but still. IT shop also apologies for 7 being expensive - Vista Business (full) and Office 2007 Ultimate were and still are offered for NZ$12.00.
At the end of the day, MS hasn't got nice, shiny, expensive hardware to cover for under-priced software. It is very different model from Apple to compare.
What does that have to do with not paying a dime to Microsoft and downloading a hacked version from the internet?.
In either scenario you're paying a lot less than you should be; a lot less with the download...
As opposed to what other version of OS X
Can you not torrent OSX???? (shock)
Leaving Apple to have a monopoly? Not a good idea. Apple is already showing too many 'Big Brother' characteristics as it is... At least MS is cheap. Get rid of the cheap monopoly, and you're left with Apple being an expensive monopoly.
I used to be afraid of Microsoft, never been afraid of Apple, but I think the one company capable of becoming "big brother" is GOOGLE...search engines, indexing, scanning books, email, applications, cloud computing, advertising, phones, operating systems, etc.