I would like to see what is considered nice picture in a dark club. A flash in a dark room essentially produces a washed out picture. There are some sensors that can capture a picture in extreme low light conditions but there are trade offs for everything. The best way to take a nice picture is to have proper ambient lighting.
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston
Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...
However, the public are idiots and will continue to beg for more pixels, so that's what Apple will be forced to deliver or risk being perceived as falling behind.
I agree with the idiots part. Most camera users in general don't know an F-stop from a pixel. Apple can deal with this in a couple ofvways one being educational marketing and two would be to sell a cell phone where the built in camera is less than an after thought.
In this thread many have already highlighted the technical issues with respect to sensor and optics but one thing that is missed is the "shutter release". I submit that the silly touch release mechanism is a huge factor in the marginal quality of iPhone cameras. A steady camera means sharper pictures. In the case of iPhone the shake is so bad that it is not likely that stabilization techniques would help.
The other problem here is Apples thin cases. There is only so much that can go into a few mm of hieght. Apple needs to think seriosly about this.
So would I, the effective range of the LED's that are used as "flashes" in most phone camera's is around 1 metre (yard), if you want the same functionality a $2 LED torch will do the trick.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
I would like to see what is considered nice picture in a dark club. A flash in a dark room essentially produces a washed out picture. There are some sensors that can capture a picture in extreme low light conditions but there are trade offs for everything. The best way to take a nice picture is to have proper ambient lighting.
Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.
Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.
Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.
I work in a mobile phone dealership, and the iPhone is slowly becoming a joke.
I FREAKING LOVE my iPhone, but with no videocall & a SHOITE camera with no flash, our iPhone sales have gone through the floor.
Customers laugh at the suggestion of an iPhone now, even though the software far surpasses the functionality and ease of use of any other manufacturer.
The hardware is embarrassing, and 5MP will NOT cut the mustard.
Cheapo PAYG mobiles have 5MP cameras. NOT high-end handsets. =(
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Who cares about pixels. How about a sensor that does a decent job in low-light situations? I'm tired of being at clubs and watch everyone else take nice pictures with their cell phones and all I can get is dark blurry faces...
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However, the public are idiots and will continue to beg for more pixels, so that's what Apple will be forced to deliver or risk being perceived as falling behind.
I agree with the idiots part. Most camera users in general don't know an F-stop from a pixel. Apple can deal with this in a couple ofvways one being educational marketing and two would be to sell a cell phone where the built in camera is less than an after thought.
In this thread many have already highlighted the technical issues with respect to sensor and optics but one thing that is missed is the "shutter release". I submit that the silly touch release mechanism is a huge factor in the marginal quality of iPhone cameras. A steady camera means sharper pictures. In the case of iPhone the shake is so bad that it is not likely that stabilization techniques would help.
The other problem here is Apples thin cases. There is only so much that can go into a few mm of hieght. Apple needs to think seriosly about this.
Dave
I would like to see what is considered nice picture in a dark club. A flash in a dark room essentially produces a washed out picture. There are some sensors that can capture a picture in extreme low light conditions but there are trade offs for everything. The best way to take a nice picture is to have proper ambient lighting.
$2 LED torch will do the trick.
Most of us typically leave our flashlights at home.
Unfortunately, even with 25 megapixels you won't be able to make 8x10 prints, or crop and make 4x6 prints, because the lens is about 1mm in diameter and there's just no way for it to resolve more than about 2 megapixels of detail, at the absolute best.
Every time they bump up the resolution of the camera, it doesn't make the pictures sharper, it just takes up more space on the camera and more memory in your picture editing apps.
Given that a larger lens would ruin the aesthetics of the phone, you're much better off wishing for a sensor with lower noise, so that less of the resolution is lost to fuzz in low light.
great first post
is that you TS ??
I wouldn't mind a front-facing camera for wifi video iChatting.
you just crashed the whole ATT net work
Most of us typically leave our flashlights at home.
priceless
I FREAKING LOVE my iPhone, but with no videocall & a SHOITE camera with no flash, our iPhone sales have gone through the floor.
Customers laugh at the suggestion of an iPhone now, even though the software far surpasses the functionality and ease of use of any other manufacturer.
The hardware is embarrassing, and 5MP will NOT cut the mustard.
Cheapo PAYG mobiles have 5MP cameras. NOT high-end handsets. =(
Sad times.