and this still costs more than HP especially when you add in recurring costs like faster network pipes
Depends on your application right? Yes, you'll need bigger pipes if you intend on replacing your internal enterprise computing structure with this. On the other hand, if the use is for internet facing servers then the costs are in line with other colo services.
The cost benefit analysis is not as open and shut as you suggest. There are many reasons that a large company might exploit computing resources like EC2. With the VPN option Amazon has some very interesting options. Does it really matter if the servers are physically in your spaces or in Amazon's if you've moved to a deployed VM environment anyway?
Especially if you're in need of reserve computational capabilities.
There are also color of money aspects. Using EC2 is an operating expense. Building your own server infrastructure is capex.
So I can certainly see scenarios where large companies (Fortune 500) may use clouds in the enterprise for a variety of reasons.
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and what about security?
What about security? Do you think your intranet is really all that secure anyway?
Granted there are significant new challenges for security in the cloud. For example, if someone can break Xen then they can muck around with a lot of EC2 instances because they just broke through VM isolation. Of course, that's true within a VM based corporate intranet as well. Figure out an exploit with VMWare and you gain the keys to the enterprise.
But seriously, most corporate intranets are not all that secure to begin with.
This article suggests 9% of enterprise machines are botnetted. money quote:
"Of all the enterprises where we've gone into who are customers or as proof-of-concept, 100 percent have had botnet infections,"
Folks that bring up the chimera of security either have very high security needs (like say three letter agencies) or simply don't like a concept and are looking for a boogyman.
Given that even three letter agencies have seen compromises (or at least DoD has) I'm gonna guess that there has been a security breach in your intranet. Whether you are aware of it or not is an interesting question for your IA folks.
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Same here, regarding zero interest in cloud computing nonsense. Sometimes these large companies all start going in the wrong direction in parallel.
Please, this is not a forum for objective perspective!
and this still costs more than HP especially when you add in recurring costs like faster network pipes
Depends on your application right? Yes, you'll need bigger pipes if you intend on replacing your internal enterprise computing structure with this. On the other hand, if the use is for internet facing servers then the costs are in line with other colo services.
The cost benefit analysis is not as open and shut as you suggest. There are many reasons that a large company might exploit computing resources like EC2. With the VPN option Amazon has some very interesting options. Does it really matter if the servers are physically in your spaces or in Amazon's if you've moved to a deployed VM environment anyway?
Especially if you're in need of reserve computational capabilities.
There are also color of money aspects. Using EC2 is an operating expense. Building your own server infrastructure is capex.
So I can certainly see scenarios where large companies (Fortune 500) may use clouds in the enterprise for a variety of reasons.
and what about security?
What about security? Do you think your intranet is really all that secure anyway?
Granted there are significant new challenges for security in the cloud. For example, if someone can break Xen then they can muck around with a lot of EC2 instances because they just broke through VM isolation. Of course, that's true within a VM based corporate intranet as well. Figure out an exploit with VMWare and you gain the keys to the enterprise.
But seriously, most corporate intranets are not all that secure to begin with.
This article suggests 9% of enterprise machines are botnetted. money quote:
"Of all the enterprises where we've gone into who are customers or as proof-of-concept, 100 percent have had botnet infections,"
http://www.darkreading.com/insiderth...leID=220200118
interesting reading from the original source of the statistic.
http://blog.damballa.com/?p=361
Folks that bring up the chimera of security either have very high security needs (like say three letter agencies) or simply don't like a concept and are looking for a boogyman.
Given that even three letter agencies have seen compromises (or at least DoD has) I'm gonna guess that there has been a security breach in your intranet. Whether you are aware of it or not is an interesting question for your IA folks.