I'm biased but I strive to be objective and even when I stretch I can't imagine a reason that Bush would be nominated .
. . . well considering that those that nominated him are racists and choose to misread the war as a war against the 'races' of Islam then I could see why they nominated him . . .bad reason though. And Not keeping a buncha rotting nuclear missiles around, that are just plain dangerous for everybody is somehow working for peace?!?! I could see that but it's pretty much of a stretch.
It's probably just me, but I feel that the value of the Nobel Peace prize has been devalued in recent years. I'm not even submitting my annual claim any longer.
Perhaps it never really had much value, I ought to read a history of the prize I guess.
Though I don't think Rudolph Giuliani deserves a Nobel prize for his efforts, I have to agree with applenut - though I didn't like many of his mayoral decisions, I felt a lot safer having Uncle Rudi around after September 11.
What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.
For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.
For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.
I think he also got a lot of sympathy. Before September 11 New Yorkers were strongly divided - either Giuliani was hard but fair, or a nasty little ratfaced gink. Afterwards, you had to feel sorry for the guy after a couple of planes ripped a hole a mile wide through his city and killed so many of it's inhabitants (and many workers under his charge).
That was one of the saddest moments for me - when he appeared not long after it all happened and had to introduce the new representatives of the Fire and Police departments because the usual faces the press were used to seeing were "missing".
Though losing all those thousands of people is horrible in itself, it must have been very hard for him to hear "his guys" as mayor were being lost in such numbers.
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you and the other people who bring up that arguement miss the point.
Guilianni did a great job. sure you can say that other people would have done the same but they didn't because they weren't in his position at the time. It's like saying I could have won a world series if I had just been on the yankees a year ago.
What did he do? He responded amazingly quick to the WTC when word reached him. Stayed amazingly calm, set orders for everyone, went and inspected the buildings and worked with his officials for a plan. when the towers collasped he was there to say his grievances and assure new yorkers and yes the United States that everyone should be calm and that everything was under control. He personally went to hundreds of memorials and funderals after attacks. He was a comfort for new yorkers in the days and months after the attack. He did his best to get aid and support from the government. He spoke to the United Nations. Then a plane crashes again in brooklyn, and he's there to do it all over again.
The guy loved being mayor and loved the city. We were able to relate to him and he made us confident that everything would eventually be safe.
Yea, Bush did a good job too, but what did he do that any other person wouldn't do?
In fact they are not many great candidate for the nobel prize of peace.
This last years, the nobel of peace where much more made of political considerations rather than real merits.
Nobel prize of peaces are a sort of diplomatical weapons.
i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.
<strong>In fact they are not many great candidate for the nobel prize of peace.
i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't worry i am not in danger to have any nobel prize
I wonder whether Bush deserves the peace prize... defniitely NOT for his participation against Afghanistan, that was practically knee-jerk politics, and warlike as hell. but since he DID reduce the numebr of nuclear weeapons. .. Just maybe. Is there a good deal of money involved in the nObel prizes? Maybe he;'ll guive it to the Afghani children since he;s rich already.
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. . . well considering that those that nominated him are racists and choose to misread the war as a war against the 'races' of Islam then I could see why they nominated him . . .bad reason though. And Not keeping a buncha rotting nuclear missiles around, that are just plain dangerous for everybody is somehow working for peace?!?! I could see that but it's pretty much of a stretch.
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Perhaps it never really had much value, I ought to read a history of the prize I guess.
Though I don't think Rudolph Giuliani deserves a Nobel prize for his efforts, I have to agree with applenut - though I didn't like many of his mayoral decisions, I felt a lot safer having Uncle Rudi around after September 11.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.
For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nothing, really. That's why I called him Uncle Rudi - he was just around (well, in his motorcade or on TV), like a friendly uncle after a funeral.
For the most part, he came across as sincere, something which many others may have struggled to do. It's something I dislike in Bush - he may be very sincere about stuff, he just doesn't look or sound it.
I think he also got a lot of sympathy. Before September 11 New Yorkers were strongly divided - either Giuliani was hard but fair, or a nasty little ratfaced gink. Afterwards, you had to feel sorry for the guy after a couple of planes ripped a hole a mile wide through his city and killed so many of it's inhabitants (and many workers under his charge).
That was one of the saddest moments for me - when he appeared not long after it all happened and had to introduce the new representatives of the Fire and Police departments because the usual faces the press were used to seeing were "missing".
Though losing all those thousands of people is horrible in itself, it must have been very hard for him to hear "his guys" as mayor were being lost in such numbers.
He might have done all of the above but was it a NATIONAL or Global thing he did? No, it was his JOB to keep things under control in NY.
If people can get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing thier JOB I should get one... I just finished this magazine in RECORD time!
YAY FOR ME!!! I'll display it with pride!
Mac Guru
<strong>What exactly was it that Rudy did? I know he was Time's man of the year (according to their criteria, it should have been bin Laden, but they chickened out I guess), and people talked about extending his term, etc.
But I never really heard specifically what he did that someone else couldn't or wouldn't have done.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you and the other people who bring up that arguement miss the point.
Guilianni did a great job. sure you can say that other people would have done the same but they didn't because they weren't in his position at the time. It's like saying I could have won a world series if I had just been on the yankees a year ago.
What did he do? He responded amazingly quick to the WTC when word reached him. Stayed amazingly calm, set orders for everyone, went and inspected the buildings and worked with his officials for a plan. when the towers collasped he was there to say his grievances and assure new yorkers and yes the United States that everyone should be calm and that everything was under control. He personally went to hundreds of memorials and funderals after attacks. He was a comfort for new yorkers in the days and months after the attack. He did his best to get aid and support from the government. He spoke to the United Nations. Then a plane crashes again in brooklyn, and he's there to do it all over again.
The guy loved being mayor and loved the city. We were able to relate to him and he made us confident that everything would eventually be safe.
Yea, Bush did a good job too, but what did he do that any other person wouldn't do?
This last years, the nobel of peace where much more made of political considerations rather than real merits.
Nobel prize of peaces are a sort of diplomatical weapons.
i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.
<strong>In fact they are not many great candidate for the nobel prize of peace.
i rather prefer have any other prize nobel, because all other nobel prize are only decerned for personnal merit, and not for international political considerations.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't worry i am not in danger to have any nobel prize