Apple will most certainly go to all other GSM carriers in the US sometime this year. iPhone 4G might even do CDMA, though there is kinda no point with 4G coming around. In any case exclusivity should have ended aready (starting Jan 1 for example) but it seems like there is something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. At first I thought it was technical, like the ability to do visual mailbox or have a fast enough 3G, but it seems like most carriers can do this now and so there is no point of sticking to just one carrier.
There's only one other GSM carrier, T-Mobile, the stepchild of the mobile industry. They're terrible. I can imagine the complaints coming from iPhone users on their network. It will make AT&T seem like paradise.
Thank g-d, AT&T has been needing an Android phone for so long. I was about to buy an iPhone, but now I think I'll wait until "First half of 2010" for my AT&T Android... whenever that will be.
Apple will most certainly go to all other GSM carriers in the US sometime this year. iPhone 4G might even do CDMA, though there is kinda no point with 4G coming around. In any case exclusivity should have ended aready (starting Jan 1 for example) but it seems like there is something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. At first I thought it was technical, like the ability to do visual mailbox or have a fast enough 3G, but it seems like most carriers can do this now and so there is no point of sticking to just one carrier.
Of course there's something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. Its the lovely subsidy deal Apple got in which ATT got raped.
They why was there such an outcry when the last iPhone was released, with all the people that couldn't activate them?
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
There's also a big difference between having trouble activating a new phone for a possible few hours for some people, and ALL of your users losing their e-mail for hours, or a day, and nor being able to e-mail during that time.
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
They why do all the articles on the web mention people being stuck in iTunes?
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There's also a big difference between having trouble activating a new phone for a possible few hours for some people, and ALL of your users losing their e-mail for hours, or a day, and nor being able to e-mail during that time.
Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.
And I found the process of getting a new SIM when you upgraded your connection a bit funny, the only time I have needed to get a new SIM card for an upgrade was when they changed the spec of them.
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
Reinventing history? iTunes servers were the issue last go-round.
My point about a CDMA phone being "dumb" is that it's a fading technology and pretty much not used anywhere except the USA. I think the conventional wisdom is that even if the entire USA was on CDMA, it probably wouldn't make sense to make a CDMA phone. It's a dead end technology.
Dead end maybe, but CDMA accounts for a good portion of the USA mobile network and we still account for over half of all iPhone sales.
I'm just hoping that the tablet is close to what people think it will be in expectations, or there WILL be a sell-off.
I fully expect a sell-off anyway. The question is how much? If it manages to dip to $185 or lower, I'm loading up like there's no tomorrow. So far 2010 is shaping up pretty good despite talk of potential hyperinflation. Either way, flexibility is key to survival in this environment.
They why do all the articles on the web mention people being stuck in iTunes?
I havent read all the articles on the web, congrats for doing so.
Mostly having to do with AT&T's service getting bogged down when iTunes attempted to hand it off.
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Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.
And I found the process of getting a new SIM when you upgraded your connection a bit funny, the only time I have needed to get a new SIM card for an upgrade was when they changed the spec of them.
You're overseas, right? I can't account for how they do things over there.
But I'd rather wait a few hours to get activated than lose a whole days messages, and not be able to message during that time.
You're overseas, right? I can't account for how they do things over there.
Well 95% of the world is overseas compared to you (and 99.94% compared to me)
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But I'd rather wait a few hours to get activated than lose a whole days messages, and not be able to message during that time.
You seem to keep referring to RIMM, I don't have a blackberry, and don't really want one, so I would rather have the activation straight away, especially if it is an upgrade.
[QUOTE=jfanning;1546274]Well 95% of the world is overseas compared to you (and 99.94% compared to me)[/uote]
Yes, well, most of them so far don't have a phone.
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You seem to keep referring to RIMM, I don't have a blackberry, and don't really want one, so I would rather have the activation straight away, especially if it is an upgrade.
I believe you were the one using them as an example.
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The end result is, poor user experience.
It's true.
But one is much worse than the other.
Also, all iPhone purchasers didn't have that problem, and out of the ones who did, the delay was from a few minutes to a few hours. It was documented pretty well here in our forums, with people posting their experiences, both good and bad.
I would argue that this depends on sales. You only have the opportunity to introduce new features once. If sales remain strong without significant software upgrades, then its better to hold major upgrades for later when they can be used to push the new OS.
It can also be argued that the third party apps themselves constantly introduce new functionality for the iPhone. Apple doesn't have to do that in the way that other platforms have to.
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Originally Posted by melgross
I'd like to see Apple do a .5 update at about the 6 month mark. Others are moving pretty rapidly. Apple appears to be behind as they rarely release major features before the new version comes out. Overall, Apple has as much of an upgrade as they do, it just takes the full year. But for competitive purposes, I'm not sure the once a year upgrade is as helpful as it was when stodgier companies were taking two years between upgrades.
Mel is right they are two different situations. Its a relatively small number of people who could not activate their phones on the first day of iPhone sales, that problem did not even effect everyone who activated phones that day. With RIMM their entire user base is effected when their service goes down.
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Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.
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Apple will most certainly go to all other GSM carriers in the US sometime this year. iPhone 4G might even do CDMA, though there is kinda no point with 4G coming around. In any case exclusivity should have ended aready (starting Jan 1 for example) but it seems like there is something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. At first I thought it was technical, like the ability to do visual mailbox or have a fast enough 3G, but it seems like most carriers can do this now and so there is no point of sticking to just one carrier.
There's only one other GSM carrier, T-Mobile, the stepchild of the mobile industry. They're terrible. I can imagine the complaints coming from iPhone users on their network. It will make AT&T seem like paradise.
Thank g-d, AT&T has been needing an Android phone for so long. I was about to buy an iPhone, but now I think I'll wait until "First half of 2010" for my AT&T Android... whenever that will be.
Good for you!
Nothing to current users. What happens to Blackberry users when the same thing happens? Or Palm users, or Nokia users, or Win Mobile users etc?
Well for Nokia users, Nokia has nothing to do with the activiation process, so nothing.
Apple will most certainly go to all other GSM carriers in the US sometime this year. iPhone 4G might even do CDMA, though there is kinda no point with 4G coming around. In any case exclusivity should have ended aready (starting Jan 1 for example) but it seems like there is something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. At first I thought it was technical, like the ability to do visual mailbox or have a fast enough 3G, but it seems like most carriers can do this now and so there is no point of sticking to just one carrier.
Of course there's something stopping Apple from leaving ATT. Its the lovely subsidy deal Apple got in which ATT got raped.
Well for Nokia users, Nokia has nothing to do with the activiation process, so nothing.
The point was basically, nothing for any of them. You've raised an issue that doesn't exist.
The point was basically, nothing for any of them. You've raised an issue that doesn't exist.
They why was there such an outcry when the last iPhone was released, with all the people that couldn't activate them?
They why was there such an outcry when the last iPhone was released, with all the people that couldn't activate them?
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
There's also a big difference between having trouble activating a new phone for a possible few hours for some people, and ALL of your users losing their e-mail for hours, or a day, and nor being able to e-mail during that time.
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
They why do all the articles on the web mention people being stuck in iTunes?
There's also a big difference between having trouble activating a new phone for a possible few hours for some people, and ALL of your users losing their e-mail for hours, or a day, and nor being able to e-mail during that time.
Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.
And I found the process of getting a new SIM when you upgraded your connection a bit funny, the only time I have needed to get a new SIM card for an upgrade was when they changed the spec of them.
What did that have to do with Apple? Besides, there was no other phone in history that sold in such great numbers in the first few days. As Apple passed buyer data to AT&T, it was AT&T's problem mostly.
Reinventing history? iTunes servers were the issue last go-round.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1972
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/11/i...ers-being-sen/
Well you are just thinking of the USA.
My point about a CDMA phone being "dumb" is that it's a fading technology and pretty much not used anywhere except the USA. I think the conventional wisdom is that even if the entire USA was on CDMA, it probably wouldn't make sense to make a CDMA phone. It's a dead end technology.
Dead end maybe, but CDMA accounts for a good portion of the USA mobile network and we still account for over half of all iPhone sales.
I'm just hoping that the tablet is close to what people think it will be in expectations, or there WILL be a sell-off.
I fully expect a sell-off anyway. The question is how much? If it manages to dip to $185 or lower, I'm loading up like there's no tomorrow. So far 2010 is shaping up pretty good despite talk of potential hyperinflation. Either way, flexibility is key to survival in this environment.
They why do all the articles on the web mention people being stuck in iTunes?
I havent read all the articles on the web, congrats for doing so.
Mostly having to do with AT&T's service getting bogged down when iTunes attempted to hand it off.
Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.
And I found the process of getting a new SIM when you upgraded your connection a bit funny, the only time I have needed to get a new SIM card for an upgrade was when they changed the spec of them.
You're overseas, right? I can't account for how they do things over there.
But I'd rather wait a few hours to get activated than lose a whole days messages, and not be able to message during that time.
It's not equivalent.
Reinventing history? iTunes servers were the issue last go-round.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1972
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/11/i...ers-being-sen/
Your misunderstanding what happened.
You're overseas, right? I can't account for how they do things over there.
Well 95% of the world is overseas compared to you (and 99.94% compared to me)
But I'd rather wait a few hours to get activated than lose a whole days messages, and not be able to message during that time.
You seem to keep referring to RIMM, I don't have a blackberry, and don't really want one, so I would rather have the activation straight away, especially if it is an upgrade.
It's not equivalent.
The end result is, poor user experience.
Yes, well, most of them so far don't have a phone.
You seem to keep referring to RIMM, I don't have a blackberry, and don't really want one, so I would rather have the activation straight away, especially if it is an upgrade.
I believe you were the one using them as an example.
The end result is, poor user experience.
It's true.
But one is much worse than the other.
Also, all iPhone purchasers didn't have that problem, and out of the ones who did, the delay was from a few minutes to a few hours. It was documented pretty well here in our forums, with people posting their experiences, both good and bad.
I believe you were the one using them as an example.
Nope someone else mentioned them, I asked a question.
Nope someone else mentioned them, I asked a question.
Hmmm!
Hmmm!
You can hmmm all you like, it is still the truth
It can also be argued that the third party apps themselves constantly introduce new functionality for the iPhone. Apple doesn't have to do that in the way that other platforms have to.
I'd like to see Apple do a .5 update at about the 6 month mark. Others are moving pretty rapidly. Apple appears to be behind as they rarely release major features before the new version comes out. Overall, Apple has as much of an upgrade as they do, it just takes the full year. But for competitive purposes, I'm not sure the once a year upgrade is as helpful as it was when stodgier companies were taking two years between upgrades.
Well both would cause a user satisfaction problem.