That said I would like to see a 5MP camera but an LED flash sounds like garbage. That's the reason for the color shift in the 2nd shot. LED's don't "burn" at the correct temp and do not provide the intensity needed to create proper contrast/ saturation. Might as well just bust out an LED flashlight and shoot it into the ceiling if that's all the light you need. It'll probably work better and provide more light.
LED flashlights are often built with cheap LEDs that scored poorly in performance tests so they're not a good example. The Luxeon Flash produces a burst of 80 lumens - almost as much as the 10W halogen bulbs once used for portable video cameras. Philips hasn't put the full Flash specifications online but their other high power LEDs are tested for color rendition quality.
I would have hoped Apple would have been further along on the next gen iPhone by now.
That's what I thought. It would seem that they would have the hardware design locked down within a month for regulatory testing (can be a big wild card), hardware bug fixes and then ramp up production so they have enough to meet demand when released. As fast-paced the world is, hardware design can be a relatively slow process.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenoBell
For that to work the flash would have to be the perfect illuminance to balance with the back ground and appear to be an ambient source. Unless you have the camera right in a persons face out in broad daylight a cell phone flash wouldn't be bright enough. Phone camera isn't sophisticated enough to make this type of determination.
Under most circumstances, camera flash is a horrible source of light.
I agree, though I don't know if the typical user cares that much. They just want to get the shot and have something visible rather than dark splotches. Assuming that the added light is even enough.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Oh, and how about a flash shoe, rangefinder, focus ring and aperture adjustment? We'll turn these iPhones into iCameras before long.
I think he's probably just having fun, I count three or four add-ons to that rig that are by themselves probably more expensive than the iPhone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DistortedLoop
Wow, two, count them, two grammar cops in the same thread!
Amazing.
Really!
It probably wouldn't be a problem if AI management had good editing and proofreading in the pipeline. It's irritating to see simple mistakes like that in writing that tries so hard to seem professional. It's kind of like an airline pilot crashing his golf cart.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nudist
Let's face it. When it comes to the camera functionality, the iphone is a point and shoot compact. This talk of using available light and slower shutter speeds is moving into the realm of something more. A flash is more than adequate for the average joe wanting to grab a quick photographic record for the family album. If you want a more fully featured camera in your iphone why not have a mounting point for a monopod or tripod and do it properly?
I think to say that "point and shoot" type cameras are going away, you'd be right. Still there are still a dizzying array of them still for sale, I think over thirty were announced at CES in the past week, it doesn't sound like a dying segment yet. Most phone cameras don't seem to have any kind of decent zoom though. SLRs are a totally different matter. I'm pretty sure that even the first digital SLR can still shoot better pictures than any phone camera right now, there's still the giant sensor and quality optics that just aren't available in phones.
...who can verify the power of that LED flash from Philips, because I have yet to see one of those 200M phones they mention. The LED flashes I have seen all are like the image on the left, usable only to 3ft. As such, I could never figure out why people want a flash, since they are virtually useless. What you need is a bigger image sensor to capture natural low light images. Anyhow, if that LED flash from Philips is real, that would be quite remarkable. I worry though, since I went to their website, and they show virtually nothing about the flash. The marketing papers were from 2006. I would think if such a great flash has been around since then, we'd have heard about it by now, and I'd at least have seen it in action.
Let's face it. When it comes to the camera functionality, the iphone is a point and shoot compact. This talk of using available light and slower shutter speeds is moving into the realm of something more. A flash is more than adequate for the average joe wanting to grab a quick photographic record for the family album. If you want a more fully featured camera in your iphone why not have a mounting point for a monopod or tripod and do it properly?
I agree. There are many other functions to the camera that would make for a better photography experience (including making the time between pictures shorter) other than a flash. A flash will only really make the pictures look worse. i'd rather get off another shot before I miss the action than hold my breath for a flash I'd rather not use.
your current cell phone has more than 32GB internal memory?
No, but my iTunes library does. If you think of the iPhone as only a phone, you're missing its point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism
We?ve been hearing this since the iPhone had 8GB. ?If only it had <double_current_capacity> I?d get one.? What phone has more. Hell, even the Nexus One only has 4.5GB for storage.
When they're used to traditional iPods holding 40GB or more, there's good reason. For a device that can do it all, its always been hampered with storage.
On the topic of must-haves, how about being able to use the iPhone (and iPod Touch) in disk mode? C'mon, Apple.
LOL for what exactly? It's been almost 4 generations. It's not happening. It never was. It never should.
The iPhone's limited storage is for content viewed/used on the iPhone. Period. There are million other ways to store absolutely anything, and access it whenever from wherever.
Why would you need to corrupt your iPhone with whatever nonsense crap you feel needs to be with you (obviously something other than music/photos/video/documents)?
It's never become a feature because 1) iPhone requires iTunes. Get used to it already.
No, but my iTunes library does. If you think of the iPhone as only a phone, you're missing its point.
And if you think the future is in adding more limited physical storage, you're missing the point even further.
There is solution for this RIGHT NOW called DotTunes. I use it everyday. Over the next 1-2 years, similar solutions (probably from Apple) will work even better.
As mobile phone cameras improve dedicated cameras also improve. I can agree mobile phones will eat into the dedicated phone market, but they will never be able to replace the quality of a dedicated camera.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This is false. It's patently obvious that the small cameras in phones are rapidly coming to a point where they are equal to the average consumer camera. The technology will only get better, and the "slope" of the speed of improvement in these types of devices is also getting steeper.
Face it dude, "cameras" are on the way out, and will disappear almost as fast as "calculators" did.
Luckily Apple doesn't do things based on the aesthetic tastes of the typical user.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM
I agree, though I don't know if the typical user cares that much. They just want to get the shot and have something visible rather than dark splotches. Assuming that the added light is even enough.
This is false. It's patently obvious that the small cameras in phones are rapidly coming to a point where they are equal to the average consumer camera. The technology will only get better, and the "slope" of the speed of improvement in these types of devices is also getting steeper.
Still waiting for a cell phone with a decent optical zoom. Most don't even have an optical zoom. And while the iPhone is stuck at 3.2MP, even cheap cams are up near 12MP.
An interesting add-on would be something along the lines of the old Polaroid SX-70 design. Fitted to the back of an iPhone and folded flat, it could add very little thickness. But when you need a bigger lens, pop it open and let the folded light path inside do its job, collecting more light and concentrating it on the iPhone's built-in lens. An ingenious engineer might even be able to add some kind of optical zoom capability.
The iPhone's limited storage is for content viewed/used on the iPhone. Period. There are million other ways to store absolutely anything, and access it whenever from wherever.
Why would you need to corrupt your iPhone with whatever nonsense crap you feel needs to be with you (obviously something other than music/photos/video/documents)?
1) All storage is limited so saying that a device shouldn?t have a way to move files between PCs because of this inherent limitation seems a bit silly.
2) Your argument doesn?t hold up when you look at all the iPods that have had Disk Mode since 2001 and at storage capacities much lower than the iPhone.
And if you think the future is in adding more limited physical storage, you're missing the point even further.
If you think the cloud is the future, I?d say that the two are not mutually exclusive. Capacities will increase as cloud computing gets faster and more refined.
I don't want that. The iPhone is primarily a communication device. The camera is just a secondary add on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolchak
An interesting add-on would be something along the lines of the old Polaroid SX-70 design. Fitted to the back of an iPhone and folded flat, it could add very little thickness. But when you need a bigger lens, pop it open and let the folded light path inside do its job, collecting more light and concentrating it on the iPhone's built-in lens. An ingenious engineer might even be able to add some kind of optical zoom capability.
A apple shopping is very good quality of bag. Apple shopping for LED camera flash components are very better for competition of other mobile. There market price very high as compered other.
Comments
That said I would like to see a 5MP camera but an LED flash sounds like garbage. That's the reason for the color shift in the 2nd shot. LED's don't "burn" at the correct temp and do not provide the intensity needed to create proper contrast/ saturation. Might as well just bust out an LED flashlight and shoot it into the ceiling if that's all the light you need. It'll probably work better and provide more light.
LED flashlights are often built with cheap LEDs that scored poorly in performance tests so they're not a good example. The Luxeon Flash produces a burst of 80 lumens - almost as much as the 10W halogen bulbs once used for portable video cameras. Philips hasn't put the full Flash specifications online but their other high power LEDs are tested for color rendition quality.
I would have hoped Apple would have been further along on the next gen iPhone by now.
That's what I thought. It would seem that they would have the hardware design locked down within a month for regulatory testing (can be a big wild card), hardware bug fixes and then ramp up production so they have enough to meet demand when released. As fast-paced the world is, hardware design can be a relatively slow process.
For that to work the flash would have to be the perfect illuminance to balance with the back ground and appear to be an ambient source. Unless you have the camera right in a persons face out in broad daylight a cell phone flash wouldn't be bright enough. Phone camera isn't sophisticated enough to make this type of determination.
Under most circumstances, camera flash is a horrible source of light.
I agree, though I don't know if the typical user cares that much. They just want to get the shot and have something visible rather than dark splotches. Assuming that the added light is even enough.
Oh, and how about a flash shoe, rangefinder, focus ring and aperture adjustment?
Another step in that direction:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics...io-video/cd04/
( a grip & filter thread mount)
PixelCorps taking things to the limit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LIR8_BQYBA
I think he's probably just having fun, I count three or four add-ons to that rig that are by themselves probably more expensive than the iPhone.
Wow, two, count them, two grammar cops in the same thread!
Amazing.
Really!
It probably wouldn't be a problem if AI management had good editing and proofreading in the pipeline. It's irritating to see simple mistakes like that in writing that tries so hard to seem professional. It's kind of like an airline pilot crashing his golf cart.
Let's face it. When it comes to the camera functionality, the iphone is a point and shoot compact. This talk of using available light and slower shutter speeds is moving into the realm of something more. A flash is more than adequate for the average joe wanting to grab a quick photographic record for the family album. If you want a more fully featured camera in your iphone why not have a mounting point for a monopod or tripod and do it properly?
I think to say that "point and shoot" type cameras are going away, you'd be right. Still there are still a dizzying array of them still for sale, I think over thirty were announced at CES in the past week, it doesn't sound like a dying segment yet. Most phone cameras don't seem to have any kind of decent zoom though. SLRs are a totally different matter. I'm pretty sure that even the first digital SLR can still shoot better pictures than any phone camera right now, there's still the giant sensor and quality optics that just aren't available in phones.
As for hard disk mode- buy an external HDD and stop complaining. The iPhone has far more important things to do.
Let's face it. When it comes to the camera functionality, the iphone is a point and shoot compact. This talk of using available light and slower shutter speeds is moving into the realm of something more. A flash is more than adequate for the average joe wanting to grab a quick photographic record for the family album. If you want a more fully featured camera in your iphone why not have a mounting point for a monopod or tripod and do it properly?
I agree. There are many other functions to the camera that would make for a better photography experience (including making the time between pictures shorter) other than a flash. A flash will only really make the pictures look worse. i'd rather get off another shot before I miss the action than hold my breath for a flash I'd rather not use.
your current cell phone has more than 32GB internal memory?
No, but my iTunes library does. If you think of the iPhone as only a phone, you're missing its point.
We?ve been hearing this since the iPhone had 8GB. ?If only it had <double_current_capacity> I?d get one.? What phone has more. Hell, even the Nexus One only has 4.5GB for storage.
When they're used to traditional iPods holding 40GB or more, there's good reason. For a device that can do it all, its always been hampered with storage.
As for the nexus one, it has a MicroSD card slot.
On the topic of must-haves, how about being able to use the iPhone (and iPod Touch) in disk mode? C'mon, Apple.
LOL for what exactly? It's been almost 4 generations. It's not happening. It never was. It never should.
The iPhone's limited storage is for content viewed/used on the iPhone. Period. There are million other ways to store absolutely anything, and access it whenever from wherever.
Why would you need to corrupt your iPhone with whatever nonsense crap you feel needs to be with you (obviously something other than music/photos/video/documents)?
It's never become a feature because 1) iPhone requires iTunes. Get used to it already.
No, but my iTunes library does. If you think of the iPhone as only a phone, you're missing its point.
And if you think the future is in adding more limited physical storage, you're missing the point even further.
There is solution for this RIGHT NOW called DotTunes. I use it everyday. Over the next 1-2 years, similar solutions (probably from Apple) will work even better.
This is false. It's patently obvious that the small cameras in phones are rapidly coming to a point where they are equal to the average consumer camera. The technology will only get better, and the "slope" of the speed of improvement in these types of devices is also getting steeper.
Face it dude, "cameras" are on the way out, and will disappear almost as fast as "calculators" did.
I agree, though I don't know if the typical user cares that much. They just want to get the shot and have something visible rather than dark splotches. Assuming that the added light is even enough.
This is false. It's patently obvious that the small cameras in phones are rapidly coming to a point where they are equal to the average consumer camera. The technology will only get better, and the "slope" of the speed of improvement in these types of devices is also getting steeper.
Still waiting for a cell phone with a decent optical zoom. Most don't even have an optical zoom. And while the iPhone is stuck at 3.2MP, even cheap cams are up near 12MP.
An interesting add-on would be something along the lines of the old Polaroid SX-70 design. Fitted to the back of an iPhone and folded flat, it could add very little thickness. But when you need a bigger lens, pop it open and let the folded light path inside do its job, collecting more light and concentrating it on the iPhone's built-in lens. An ingenious engineer might even be able to add some kind of optical zoom capability.
The iPhone's limited storage is for content viewed/used on the iPhone. Period. There are million other ways to store absolutely anything, and access it whenever from wherever.
Why would you need to corrupt your iPhone with whatever nonsense crap you feel needs to be with you (obviously something other than music/photos/video/documents)?
1) All storage is limited so saying that a device shouldn?t have a way to move files between PCs because of this inherent limitation seems a bit silly.
2) Your argument doesn?t hold up when you look at all the iPods that have had Disk Mode since 2001 and at storage capacities much lower than the iPhone.
And if you think the future is in adding more limited physical storage, you're missing the point even further.
If you think the cloud is the future, I?d say that the two are not mutually exclusive. Capacities will increase as cloud computing gets faster and more refined.
An interesting add-on would be something along the lines of the old Polaroid SX-70 design. Fitted to the back of an iPhone and folded flat, it could add very little thickness. But when you need a bigger lens, pop it open and let the folded light path inside do its job, collecting more light and concentrating it on the iPhone's built-in lens. An ingenious engineer might even be able to add some kind of optical zoom capability.