Blu-ray vs. every other consumer technology (2010)

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  • Reply 81 of 421
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    Blu-ray profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 in the works. Most playback issues within profile 2.0 players with profile 2.0 feature on. Obviously, turning off this feature is temporary remediation for many players. This issue along with many others also follow software players used in HTPC. Perhaps, when you buy enough blu-ray movies, you can experience it yourself.



    Profile 2.0 has been implemented for two years, I think you are beating the dead horse with this one, and profile 3.0 is audio only, ie not going to affect the majority of people.





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    Where are you getting your information? Even if you include all US PS3 sales as standalone blu-ray players, it won't beat DVD adoption rate.

    Table demonstrated in the link does not count PS2, btw. Blu-ray definitely has been a dud in comparison to DVD adoption.



    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3494

    http://hd.engadget.com/2009/01/08/li...ss-conference/

    http://news.therecord.com/printArticle/469824





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    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    In regards to downloads, there was stat on the amount of download users by Netflix subscribers. You may be able to make better extrapolation of expected adoption number for existing and future download services. I am not sure how much valid it is to keep bringing up "intrastructure not ready" statement so blindly. Most people I know do have broadband services at home. Actually, I do not know anyone who does not. For those who do not, how much % of optical movie disc sales would be contributed from those without broadband service at home?



    Taking a survey of people you know isn't the most reliable, you see I can counter it and say I know a lot of people that don't have broadband, or have incredibly slow broadband yet purchase optical media a lot.



    You say there was a stat for Netflix, but didn't provide the stat. Also Netflix steaming isn't up to the quality of blu-ray, from what you hear it isn't even up to DVD quality. I don't believe there is the infrastructure quality available to provide near blu-ray quality to the masses, and I know there is no support between the media providers, and the hardware providers to allow playing of files between devices
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  • Reply 82 of 421
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    LOL. Why are there like 10x more people that care about BluRay vs. some other shiny disc than the new MBP/MBA/iMac/Mac Pro updates that are taking unusually long! Last thread was like 30 pages or something similarly outlandish. Sure seems that Apple isn't going to build BluRay into laptops ever and only maybe BTO on Mac Pro, maybe. One or two more updates and Apple laptops won't even have an optical drive! (Although I expect their desktops will have at least the option to for another 5-10 years.) Did I mention I want that new MBP!!
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  • Reply 83 of 421
    dfilerdfiler Posts: 3,420member
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    LOL. Why are there like 10x more people that care about BluRay vs. some other shiny disc than the new MBP/MBA/iMac/Mac Pro updates that are taking unusually long!



    Quite a few people would prefer the addition of blu-ray over the next speed bump. Seriously, I'm one of them. And that's coming from someone who constantly says streaming is the future. I still wanted a blu-ray drive in my 27" iMac I bought last month. I would have sacrificed plenty of things, including processing power, in exchange for blu-ray playback.



    This isn't to say it is more important than the next spec update, but it isn't like there is no demand either. The interest isn't surprising at all.
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  • Reply 84 of 421
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Profile 2.0 has been implemented for two years, I think you are beating the dead horse with this one, and profile 3.0 is audio only, ie not going to affect the majority of people.



    I guess everything will be okay because you said so. This is comforting! Tell this to those experiencing issues with profile 2.0 players.



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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3494

    http://hd.engadget.com/2009/01/08/li...ss-conference/

    http://news.therecord.com/printArticle/469824



    Taking a survey of people you know isn't the most reliable, you see I can counter it and say I know a lot of people that don't have broadband, or have incredibly slow broadband yet purchase optical media a lot.



    You say there was a stat for Netflix, but didn't provide the stat. Also Netflix steaming isn't up to the quality of blu-ray, from what you hear it isn't even up to DVD quality. I don't believe there is the infrastructure quality available to provide near blu-ray quality to the masses, and I know there is no support between the media providers, and the hardware providers to allow playing of files between devices



    The links you've provide does not provide any value. They're either outdated, mostly a projection from early 2009, or blu-ray thinks blur-ray is the best statment.



    If you want to provide a serious feedback, please provide a data/fact driven indication of consumer spending on blu-ray/standalone blu-ray players compared to DVD from 1997 to 2001/2. The number of total blu-ray standalone players may not tell the most accurate story, but it's much better indicator than merely linking website about what some people projected from early 2009. I'm sure those statements did not come true. Another thought is that most current model blu-ray players do offer streaming options, it will not be as clean cut associating total number of blu-ray players sold to 100% blu-ray viewing. Who knows what the % of hardware usage for DVD, blu-ray, and streaming is?
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  • Reply 85 of 421
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
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    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    Quite a few people would prefer the addition of blu-ray over the next speed bump. Seriously, I'm one of them. And that's coming from someone who constantly says streaming is the future. I still wanted a blu-ray drive in my 27" iMac I bought last month. I would have sacrificed plenty of things, including processing power, in exchange for blu-ray playback.



    This isn't to say it is more important than the next spec update, but it isn't like there is no demand either. The interest isn't surprising at all.



    This is my only reason to boot windows. No love from apple in mediaPC/Mac area. I actually just build a new pc about a week ago to solely view blu-ray movies and encode discs to files. Handbrake loves Phenom II system. If I didn't get so wild on video card, PSU, and cpu heat sink, it would only cost about $350 to build one with some recycled parts.
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  • Reply 86 of 421
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    I guess everything will be okay because you said so. This is comforting! Tell this to those experiencing issues with profile 2.0 players.



    Can you provide statistics of all the issues that occurred when profile 2.0 discs were released? I only have my experience to go by, and I have had zero issues.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    The links you've provide does not provide any value. They're either outdated, mostly a projection from early 2009, or blu-ray thinks blur-ray is the best statment.



    I provided you with the details you requested, but the DVD stats you gave me stopped in 2007, they are much older than the details I provided. Just because you disagree with statistics doesn't mean they are incorrect.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    The number of total blu-ray standalone players may not tell the most accurate story, but it's much better indicator than merely linking website about what some people projected from early 2009. I'm sure those statements did not come true. Another thought is that most current model blu-ray players do offer streaming options, it will not be as clean cut associating total number of blu-ray players sold to 100% blu-ray viewing. Who knows what the % of hardware usage for DVD, blu-ray, and streaming is?



    Standalone player facts, yes now you do show your HD-DVD side, I have two PS3's, they are used 90% of the time to view Blu-Ray, by your logic why shouldn't their sale be counted as a blu-ray player sale?.



    The Blu-Ray players in my region (and in a lot of areas actually) don't include any streaming support except youtube or dlna. At the moment if a Blu-ray player is sold it is counted towards Blu-ray adoption regardless of its use, just as a notebook that is permanently placed on a desk is counted as a portable device, just as a HDTV sold that only views SD sources is counted in the HDTV adoption rates.



    Also if you read those links you would see they weren't just projections but included sales information.
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  • Reply 87 of 421
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dfiler View Post


    Quite a few people would prefer the addition of blu-ray over the next speed bump. Seriously, I'm one of them. And that's coming from someone who constantly says streaming is the future. I still wanted a blu-ray drive in my 27" iMac I bought last month. I would have sacrificed plenty of things, including processing power, in exchange for blu-ray playback.



    This isn't to say it is more important than the next spec update, but it isn't like there is no demand either. The interest isn't surprising at all.



    Yeah you're right dfiler. Different strokes for different folks. I respect that you have BluRay as a priority. I am just going nuts 'cuz my MacBook is dying and I am hoping for a MBP update! For your case, I hope Apple does add BluRay in their desktops. I just get the feeling they'll probably eliminate optical drives completely soon in the MB and MBPs. Or perhaps it'd be an addon bay, but come with a small SSD in their by default instead of an optical drive.
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  • Reply 88 of 421
    OK here's the problem. I have the Star Wars sexology in full 1080p. (I also own fully legal copies of the DVDs so don't talk to me about piracy, please). My new Blu-Ray player doubles as a media player via USB. I thought I could copy the films to a USB drive and play them that way.



    The problem is, the player can only read FAT-32 formatted drives. Which limits the file size to 4GB. The movie files are all 8.5GB.



    How do I fix this?



    Currently I can play these movies by hooking up my MacBook Pro to the display. I'd like to get them off my hard drive though.
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  • Reply 89 of 421
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    OK here's the problem. I have the Star Wars sexology in full 1080p. (I also own fully legal copies of the DVDs so don't talk to me about piracy, please). My new Blu-Ray player doubles as a media player via USB. I thought I could copy the films to a USB drive and play them that way.



    The problem is, the player can only read FAT-32 formatted drives. Which limits the file size to 4GB. The movie files are all 8.5GB.



    How do I fix this?



    Currently I can play these movies by hooking up my MacBook Pro to the display. I'd like to get them off my hard drive though.



    You either need to split the file into multiple smaller files, below the 4GB limit, or need a upgrade the blu-ray player that allows you to stream over the network.
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  • Reply 90 of 421
    Just wanted to contribute that since I Bluray enabled my Netflix account, new releases come a lot quicker. Much shorter wait (if any).
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  • Reply 91 of 421
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post


    You either need to split the file into multiple smaller files, below the 4GB limit, or need a upgrade the blu-ray player that allows you to stream over the network.



    What's the easiest way to split an mkv file for free?
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  • Reply 92 of 421
    bitemymacbitemymac Posts: 1,147member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    What's the easiest way to split an mkv file for free?



    I have not used it myself, but many use mkvtoolnix or mkvmerge. I am not sure either of the freeware is available on OS X, though.



    Good luck!
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  • Reply 93 of 421
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,839member
    Blu-Ray players hit the $69. mark. Still can't kill off DVD...
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  • Reply 94 of 421
    winkewinke Posts: 4member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Yes, I've watched an HD movie downloaded through BT and a few SD films I've converted for iPod playback. I didn't have a problem with the quality of an SD rip of the latest episode of Dollhouse, which is generally a dark show. I haven't watched anything streamed. But my monitor is small, so SD generally looks fine, especially if it's from a digital source.



    I also rip DVDs and watch them through my MacBook. The reason I do this is that I don't have an upscaling DVD player. Although I have an upscaling box, the image quality is lacking when compared to digital SD.



    I could just hook up the MacBook and play directly in my Superdrive, but I watch films from different regions. My MacBook is set to Region 1, so if it's not Region 1, I need to plug in an external reader to either play it or rip it for later play. All DVD players in Hong Kong are region-free, so it's aggravating to have to do this. If I get a BR player, it would solve this problem, as it's sure to be region-free for DVD playback.



    What's the state of region coding of BluRay discs? This should be a concern, I guess.





    how do you rip your HD movie?
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  • Reply 95 of 421
    winkewinke Posts: 4member
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    Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post


    Blu-Ray players hit the $69. mark. Still can't kill off DVD...





    difitinity, you downloaded the wrong software to rip your DVD, i rip my HD movies with full quaility under the help of winx HD video converter deluxe .



    maybe you can have a try.
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  • Reply 96 of 421
    Just to throw a different aspect on the Blu-ray thing. At Best Buy, we just had our training on the 3D stuff that's coming out and how it's going to affect Blu-ray. Right now, we are seeing several different 3D players emerge, most if not all of which are going to have HDMI 1.4, which is incompatible in any HDMI v1.3 or below receiver. So right off the bat, you're screwed when it comes to that. Plus, all of the 3D formats are going to be proprietary due to the lack of a common standard. This means that a Samsung 3D Blu-ray player will only work on a Samsung TV with Samsung Glasses. Same with Sony, Panasonic, LG, etc. The only thing I'm not so sure on is the PS3. I've heard that the PS3 will work on any TV w/ any glasses, but I highly doubt that. So now you're going to see that Blu-ray is going to be a victim of a format war between manufacturers until a standard is found.



    Personally, I think the 3D is cool, but right now, it's going to be a gamble, an expensive one. So I'm telling anyone who's interested in 3D Blu-ray to stay away from the 3D for another 1-2 years until a standard is out. But that's only if you're into 3D. By the way, the only 3 movies set for release in 3D in 2010 are Monsters vs Aliens, A Christmas Carol, and possibly Avatar, which I severely doubt.



    So yeah, just my 2c.
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  • Reply 97 of 421
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
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    Originally Posted by huskermania View Post


    Just to throw a different aspect on the Blu-ray thing. At Best Buy, we just had our training on the 3D stuff that's coming out and how it's going to affect Blu-ray. Right now, we are seeing several different 3D players emerge, most if not all of which are going to have HDMI 1.4, which is incompatible in any HDMI v1.3 or below receiver. So right off the bat, you're screwed when it comes to that. Plus, all of the 3D formats are going to be proprietary due to the lack of a common standard. This means that a Samsung 3D Blu-ray player will only work on a Samsung TV with Samsung Glasses. Same with Sony, Panasonic, LG, etc. The only thing I'm not so sure on is the PS3. I've heard that the PS3 will work on any TV w/ any glasses, but I highly doubt that. Again, I'm not sure. So basically, Blu-ray is going to be a victim of another format war between manufacturers until a standard is found. Personally, I think the 3D is cool, but right now, it's going to be a gamble, an expensive one. So I'm telling anyone who's interested in 3D Blu-ray to stay away from the 3D for another 1-2 years until a standard is out. But that's only if you're into 3D. By the way, the only 3 movies set for release in 3D in 2010 are Monsters vs Aliens, A Christmas Carol, and possibly Avatar, which I severely doubt.



    So yeah, just my 2c.



    First and foremost, there is only one 3D blu-ray format, so I don't know what you mean by a lack of a standard. Secondly, for that reason I'm pretty sure you can use any 3D blu-ray player with any 3D television. Yes, you probably have to use Panasonic 3D glasses with a Panasonic display, but this is no different than having to buy xBox controllers for your xBox, as opposed to PS3 controllers.



    Lastly, at least some of the 3D blu-ray players have two HDMI out ports so that video can run directly to your television and audio directly to your receiver, thus saving you from having to replace your receiver with an HDMI 1.4 model.
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  • Reply 98 of 421
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post


    First and foremost, there is only one 3D blu-ray format, so I don't know what you mean by a lack of a standard. Secondly, for that reason I'm pretty sure you can use any 3D blu-ray player with any 3D television. Yes, you probably have to use Panasonic 3D glasses with a Panasonic display, but this is no different than having to buy xBox controllers for your xBox, as opposed to PS3 controllers.



    Lastly, at least some of the 3D blu-ray players have two HDMI out ports so that video can run directly to your television and audio directly to your receiver, thus saving you from having to replace your receiver with an HDMI 1.4 model.



    Each TV manufacturer supposedly has a different standard at which they go by, at least according the guides provided by Best Buy. And you're correct when you said some will have 2 outputs. The current Samsung and Sony ones do not, but the upcoming Panasonic one will have dual outputs, one in 1.3 and the other in 1.4.
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  • Reply 99 of 421
    cory bauercory bauer Posts: 1,286member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by huskermania View Post


    Each TV manufacturer supposedly has a different standard at which they go by, at least according the guides provided by Best Buy. And you're correct when you said some will have 2 outputs. The current Samsung and Sony ones do not, but the upcoming Panasonic one will have dual outputs, one in 1.3 and the other in 1.4.



    The Best Buy guides are wrong. Here's a guy who overheard a Best Buy employee telling someone the same thing.



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    I was just at a local Best Buy checking out the Samsung 3D demo (which I think was completely awesome, by the way), and I overheard one employee talking to another saying that only Samsung players would work in 3D mode with Samsung TV's, Panasonic players with Panny TV's, and so on.



    But as you can read here, the players mix and match fine with different manufacturers' televisions:



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    For the purposes of our tests, we connected the TVs to each company?s new 3D Blu-ray player, and then switched them to see if the Samsung Blu-ray would work on the Panasonic TV, and vice versa. (They did.)



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  • Reply 100 of 421
    Just thought I would pass along the info I received... Sorry for any confusion
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