All you need is a camera with face detection software (which Apple already has in iPhoto) and some way to analyze facial expressions for things like? furrowed eyebrows and narrowed eyes, along with a neutral mouth, possibly with clenched jaw, like you probably have on your face right now, because I just told you that you were wrong and called you "genius" sarcastically.
Nah, I'm making a face like this
Because you are wrong. what you are describing is facial expression detection software. Not mood detection. I could be suicidal but making a smiley face and it would be fooled. Also it would fail completely if I was a chimpanzee.
If Apple is in any way shape or form investigating home automation technologies I'm all for it... The market as it stands now sucks pure and simple.
X10 -- Often cheaply made and unreliable devices.
Insteon -- Midlevel priced often unreliable devices that eventually get fixed...
Zigbee and UPB? -- Two other standards usually higher priced but have no 1st hand experience with them when it comes to reliability.. I know one was charging $5,000 just for their developer SDK and it only supported windows...
Yea the market sucks in a major way.
Unfortunatly it isn't exactly a market Apple gels with all too well...
Electrical Outlets and Wall Switched that need to be installed by an electrician or a home owner who knows what they are doing... Yea... thats WAY too much roll up your sleeve and get out the toolbox and make sure someone mans the breaker panel for Apple to even consider dealing with.
Could you imagine the lawsuits?!?!
Some Joe Sixpack buys a switch and goes to install it... and he EVEN turns off the breaker to the device that the switch controls (the man was using his brain!) and as he's installing it he gets a shock that knocks him on his ass...
What happened??
Simple... the switch box had feeds from more than one breaker going to it... (something that does happen on occasion)... Trust me, I speak form a great degree of certainty on this particular subject... (ouch!). One of those lessons you only need to be taught once and it sinks in for a very long time!
Anyway.. I'd certainly like someone to jump in and do to the HA industry what Apple did to the cellphone industry.
There is some history between Echelon Corporation and Apple:
-- Mike Markkula, Apple Investor, Chairman and founder (along with Jobs and Woz) is the Founder and a major shareholder of Echelon
-- Peter Mehring, UMAX founder, later Senior VP of Engineering at Echelon left to join Apple as VP of Mac Hardware Engineering in 2004
When Markkula started Echelon, one of the things it was working on was to have each device in a building (home, factory, etc.) that was connected to the electrical grid uniquely addressable (monitor-able and controllable).
Last I looked, Echelon had some offerings for business, cities, etc. but nothing scaled to the home.
Recently, the mayor of SF used an iPhone to demonstrate how to monitor and control streetlights:
what you are describing is facial expression detection software. Not mood detection.
I didn't "describe" anything. The inventors of the mood detection software describe it that way. Why don't you Google the term "mood detection software" and try reading a handful of the 1,800,000 results proving you wrong?
Your "argument" is no different than say that "lie detectors don't actually exist, because lie detectors don't actually detect a lie; they just detect changes in heart rate, sweat and brain activity, and if someone said something false that they thought was true, it wouldn't work." Yes, no shit, that would be correct in some willfully obtuse technical way. But you're just avoiding the fact that that's the kind of thing this patent is talking about.
> There is no way to sense "moods" through technology. They
> should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense. Instead they now patent the sun coming up in the morning and every thing else anyone can figure out how to write down.
So I'm in a quiet, mellow kind of mood. How the %^&# does the computer know whether I want to stay that way? If so, do I want classical, lounge jazz or soft rock? If not, should it play hard rock, hip hop or swing?
I have to think that some of this is just intentional horse$hit to throw the hounds off the scent.
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Originally Posted by JSmith
> There is no way to sense "moods" through technology. They
> should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense. Instead they now patent the sun coming up in the morning and every thing else anyone can figure out how to write down.
Maybe the patent application was meant as satire to protest all the seemingly silly patents for which Apple gets sued.
A lot of this is just plain ridiculous. Mood sensing? What a load of crap.
There is no way to sense "moods" through technology. They should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
maybe, maybe not. but it might be the start of a system to detect someone entering the room and turning on the lights, playing music etc.
patents are often filed for technologies that don't play out the original way.
and if nothing else, anyone else that wants to try to create such a system could end up having to pay royalties to Apple. so still a win
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Originally Posted by gmcalpin
All you need is a camera with face detection software (which Apple already has in iPhoto) and some way to analyze facial expressions for things like… furrowed eyebrows and narrowed eyes, along with a neutral mouth, possibly with clenched jaw, like you probably have on your face right now, because I just told you that you were wrong and called you "genius" sarcastically.
"although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move. "
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Originally Posted by JSmith
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense.
so they should be censors, deciding what is worthy invention and what is nonsense. and anything they deem stupid should just be a free for all that the original thinker gets no credit for.
so they should be censors, deciding what is worthy invention and what is nonsense. and anything they deem stupid should just be a free for all that the original thinker gets no credit for.
Actually, that's pretty much their job. In addition to making sure it hasn't been invented by someone else before. To be honest, none of these ideas in these applications seem "novel and new". Most have been seen in other applications in one form or another.
For example current home automation systems already allow you to define which components of the managed system should be turned off (or to low power) during high cost hours (even automatically receiving the hourly price from the utilities company). All apple is doing is saying "Hey, We can add our computers and iPods to that network as well to be controlled".
Do you think no other company has already defined interfaces for computers to be connected to a home control system? Mind you there are other computers besides Macs, PCs and the like. For example the first hit on google: http://www.openhas.com/index.php?opt...d=12&Itemid=18
Personnally I feel that even though these are good ideas of application of existing tech, they shouldn't be granted a patent. (mood playlists exist, mood sensing exists, combining the two shouldn't be patentable).
No, it could be possible to detect moods, for example using some type of brain imaging technology but to try to suggest a musical selection based on the results is the dumb part. I guess there will always be people who prefer not to think for themselves.
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It already exists, genius.
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Scienc...p?NewsNum=1273
http://mediasoon.com/062009/online-s...ion-interface/
All you need is a camera with face detection software (which Apple already has in iPhoto) and some way to analyze facial expressions for things like? furrowed eyebrows and narrowed eyes, along with a neutral mouth, possibly with clenched jaw, like you probably have on your face right now, because I just told you that you were wrong and called you "genius" sarcastically.
Nah, I'm making a face like this
Because you are wrong. what you are describing is facial expression detection software. Not mood detection. I could be suicidal but making a smiley face and it would be fooled. Also it would fail completely if I was a chimpanzee.
If Apple is in any way shape or form investigating home automation technologies I'm all for it... The market as it stands now sucks pure and simple.
X10 -- Often cheaply made and unreliable devices.
Insteon -- Midlevel priced often unreliable devices that eventually get fixed...
Zigbee and UPB? -- Two other standards usually higher priced but have no 1st hand experience with them when it comes to reliability.. I know one was charging $5,000 just for their developer SDK and it only supported windows...
Yea the market sucks in a major way.
Unfortunatly it isn't exactly a market Apple gels with all too well...
Electrical Outlets and Wall Switched that need to be installed by an electrician or a home owner who knows what they are doing... Yea... thats WAY too much roll up your sleeve and get out the toolbox and make sure someone mans the breaker panel for Apple to even consider dealing with.
Could you imagine the lawsuits?!?!
Some Joe Sixpack buys a switch and goes to install it... and he EVEN turns off the breaker to the device that the switch controls (the man was using his brain!) and as he's installing it he gets a shock that knocks him on his ass...
What happened??
Simple... the switch box had feeds from more than one breaker going to it... (something that does happen on occasion)... Trust me, I speak form a great degree of certainty on this particular subject... (ouch!). One of those lessons you only need to be taught once and it sinks in for a very long time!
Anyway.. I'd certainly like someone to jump in and do to the HA industry what Apple did to the cellphone industry.
There is some history between Echelon Corporation and Apple:
-- Mike Markkula, Apple Investor, Chairman and founder (along with Jobs and Woz) is the Founder and a major shareholder of Echelon
-- Peter Mehring, UMAX founder, later Senior VP of Engineering at Echelon left to join Apple as VP of Mac Hardware Engineering in 2004
When Markkula started Echelon, one of the things it was working on was to have each device in a building (home, factory, etc.) that was connected to the electrical grid uniquely addressable (monitor-able and controllable).
Last I looked, Echelon had some offerings for business, cities, etc. but nothing scaled to the home.
Recently, the mayor of SF used an iPhone to demonstrate how to monitor and control streetlights:
http://www.echelon.com/company/press...ewsom_demo.htm
Haven't done any current research, so don't know if there are more recent ties
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You need to proofread your copy. You have several erors here. your "suers" will notice.
what you are describing is facial expression detection software. Not mood detection.
I didn't "describe" anything. The inventors of the mood detection software describe it that way. Why don't you Google the term "mood detection software" and try reading a handful of the 1,800,000 results proving you wrong?
Your "argument" is no different than say that "lie detectors don't actually exist, because lie detectors don't actually detect a lie; they just detect changes in heart rate, sweat and brain activity, and if someone said something false that they thought was true, it wouldn't work." Yes, no shit, that would be correct in some willfully obtuse technical way. But you're just avoiding the fact that that's the kind of thing this patent is talking about.
You. Are. Wrong.
> should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense. Instead they now patent the sun coming up in the morning and every thing else anyone can figure out how to write down.
This is the kind of thinking I love from Apple.
Are you kidding?!?
So I'm in a quiet, mellow kind of mood. How the %^&# does the computer know whether I want to stay that way? If so, do I want classical, lounge jazz or soft rock? If not, should it play hard rock, hip hop or swing?
Also it would fail completely if I was a chimpanzee.
Well even if it did access a chimpanzee database the program still wouldn't know what kind of jungle music you wanted to listen to.
I have to think that some of this is just intentional horse$hit to throw the hounds off the scent.
> There is no way to sense "moods" through technology. They
> should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense. Instead they now patent the sun coming up in the morning and every thing else anyone can figure out how to write down.
Maybe the patent application was meant as satire to protest all the seemingly silly patents for which Apple gets sued.
What?
A lot of this is just plain ridiculous. Mood sensing? What a load of crap.
There is no way to sense "moods" through technology. They should be embarrassed to publish such a patent.
maybe, maybe not. but it might be the start of a system to detect someone entering the room and turning on the lights, playing music etc.
patents are often filed for technologies that don't play out the original way.
and if nothing else, anyone else that wants to try to create such a system could end up having to pay royalties to Apple. so still a win
All you need is a camera with face detection software (which Apple already has in iPhoto) and some way to analyze facial expressions for things like… furrowed eyebrows and narrowed eyes, along with a neutral mouth, possibly with clenched jaw, like you probably have on your face right now, because I just told you that you were wrong and called you "genius" sarcastically.
"although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move. "
If anyone should be embarrassed it's the patent office. Their job should be to weed out the silly nonsense.
so they should be censors, deciding what is worthy invention and what is nonsense. and anything they deem stupid should just be a free for all that the original thinker gets no credit for.
nice.
so they should be censors, deciding what is worthy invention and what is nonsense. and anything they deem stupid should just be a free for all that the original thinker gets no credit for.
Actually, that's pretty much their job. In addition to making sure it hasn't been invented by someone else before. To be honest, none of these ideas in these applications seem "novel and new". Most have been seen in other applications in one form or another.
For example current home automation systems already allow you to define which components of the managed system should be turned off (or to low power) during high cost hours (even automatically receiving the hourly price from the utilities company). All apple is doing is saying "Hey, We can add our computers and iPods to that network as well to be controlled".
Do you think no other company has already defined interfaces for computers to be connected to a home control system? Mind you there are other computers besides Macs, PCs and the like. For example the first hit on google: http://www.openhas.com/index.php?opt...d=12&Itemid=18
Personnally I feel that even though these are good ideas of application of existing tech, they shouldn't be granted a patent. (mood playlists exist, mood sensing exists, combining the two shouldn't be patentable).
Regs, Jarkko
apple will invent a giant mood ring
and the power management sounds green to me .
the rise of the machine's
peace
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No, it could be possible to detect moods, for example using some type of brain imaging technology but to try to suggest a musical selection based on the results is the dumb part. I guess there will always be people who prefer not to think for themselves.
That would be about 65% of America at least