How can someone get paid if Valleywag doesn't know who you are?
If you read the terms of the agreement for payment, you have to tell them who you are, your birth date and social security number.
Since a crime most likely would be committed in order to fulfill the contest, that leaves a nice trail to the criminal, for the Apple and the courts to follow the money.
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing? Guess the world is not too excited about microsoft products anymore are they?\
How can someone get paid if Valleywag doesn't know who you are?
The $100,000 is off the table and maybe there never was an intention of paying it out to anyone. Anyone high enough up the food chain to be in the know about the tablet would have been foolish to throw away a career for a $100,000 payout.
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing? Guess the world is not too excited about microsoft products anymore are they?\
I don't know about that. The world might have gotten excited about it if Ballmer had actually announced anything to get excited about! No release date, no specs, no hands-on? I mean, come on! We know it runs Windows 7 and will have a Kindle app. That's not a product announcement! It's just a desperate attempt to take a little glory from Apple when even they know they've got nothing to show.
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
I've seen the page. they won't pay out until the tablet is released. to prove that the photos/videos are not fake
and actually this was likely nothing more than a PR stunt. The Wag knows that the only folks that could provide that level of solid proof would be in Cupe and thus would be breaking the law and risking their jobs etc. so of course they won't do it. But tons of folks would talk about the offer and the response and go check out the site, thus gaining them lots of hits
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Originally Posted by zindako
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing? Guess the world is not too excited about microsoft products anymore are they?\
1. it wasn't a Microsoft product. the hardware was all other companies.
2. it was a prototype which could have been mocked up AFTER all the rumors confirming that Apple is most definitely working on a tablet for the very near future came out. and as pointed out a rather detail less prototype at that
3. the presentation was fraught with tech issues including a delay of like 20 minutes when they blew a circuit. not to mention that Ballmer has the public speaking skills of a dull pencil
4. no mention of when or how much. At least when Apple does announce something they have a date and often a price even if it is six months away. they rarely to never say 'this year' they say "shipping now, will be in stores by the end of the week" or "shipping next month" or "will be released in June" and so on.
what Ballmer should have done was skip the Twilight cover and get the Twilight Kids on the stage. it wouldn't matter how lame the tablet is, if Edward is holding it, there are scores of rabid 40 year olds and their daughters that will just have to get one
oh wait. they all use iphones (proven by the tons of photos) so they are probably Apple fans. or at least Apple friendly. and they don't need blip of money such an appearance would get them. soooo, they aren't likely to do it. not for Ballmer. If Steve offered them the cash and a free tablet they might turn up for him.
If you read the terms of the agreement for payment, you have to tell them who you are, your birth date and social security number.
Since a crime most likely would be committed in order to fulfill the contest, that leaves a nice trail to the criminal, for the Apple and the courts to follow the money.
This is just a publicity stunt.
On the other hand, an anonymous winner will provide the icing to the ValleyWag's cake - they will have received the scoop they so desperately seek, and by the rules of their solicitation, they would be under no obligation to pay the anonymous winner a penny.
On the other hand, an anonymous winner will provide the icing to the ValleyWag's cake - they will have received the scoop they so desperately seek, and by the rules of their solicitation, they would be under no obligation to pay the anonymous winner a penny.
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
NDAs cover a company and individuals who signed them, but if you happen to be not covered by either of those then you are free to snap pictures if you like and share them with whomever you like. Now taking one and handing it over is another story.
The protection of TRADE SECRETS goes beyond having signed an NDA or not. NDA´s are not a requirement per se, though they do help a lot. Its illegal to offer a payment to go out and steal trade secrets.
There are laws against the theft of trade secrets separate from and in addition to any contracts (NDAs) that may exist between parties.
Even if you're not under an NDA, you can't just snap a picture/make a copy of a trade secret and sell it. Let alone nab and sell the actual (intellectual) property of Apple, Inc.
A visual representation of a products look is not a trade secret. They're saying a picture of an unreleased iPhone is the same as "The Colonel's secret recipe".
A visual representation of a products look is not a trade secret. They're saying a picture of an unreleased iPhone is the same as "The Colonel's secret recipe".
Frankly, who cares if someone does serve up a photo of the tablet, assuming of course it does exist. Honestly, what is there left for us to imagine re the form factor. It would most likely be something akin to a Touch but a lot bigger. It's the details that matter and those will apparently be formally unveiled roughly two weeks from now. We'll be there in a blink of an eye.
I have to say, though, that if Apple itself has stoked the rumour flames, they've done so rather expertly. I've never seen anything quite like this in regards to an imminent product announcement. The only down side, for Apple is that no matter what they unveil, it can't possibly live up to expectations. It's a risk but on the other hand get a load of all that free publicity. Apple doesn't even present anything at CES yet wound up being the elephant in the room. Everybody knows that 3D TV is at best a fringe market with little chance of enjoying mass adoption. Apple's tablet, on the other hand, has the competition scrambling even before the thing has been publicly unveiled. Impressive.
We didn't need any. I knew it was coming for two years. Just like we knew Apple were making a phone, they sort of had no choice.
You meant to say 'I did not need any, since not all of us 'we' knew it was coming, since it was a rumor and still is until we see the finished product. Yes there is high probability that an announcement will be made in late January, but still no one outside of Apple & select few has see this product.
Do you have proof that not everybody who has access to Apple's unannounced products are not covered by a NDA? I would suspect the opposite is true. With that said, it is not illegal to violate a NDA. It just subjects you to a civil lawsuit where you might have to pay Apple an enormous amount of money in damages.
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Originally Posted by Maestro64
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
NDAs cover a company and individuals who signed them, but if you happen to be not covered by either of those then you are free to snap pictures if you like and share them with whomever you like. Now taking one and handing it over is another story.
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing? Guess the world is not too excited about microsoft products anymore are they?\
When was the last time that a Microsoft product lanuch met let alone exceeded expectation. Its been a long time between drinks
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How can someone get paid if Valleywag doesn't know who you are?
If you read the terms of the agreement for payment, you have to tell them who you are, your birth date and social security number.
Since a crime most likely would be committed in order to fulfill the contest, that leaves a nice trail to the criminal, for the Apple and the courts to follow the money.
This is just a publicity stunt.
We didn't need any. I knew it was coming for two years. Just like we knew Apple were making a phone, they sort of had no choice.
Ireland, they called you crazy. Just like Van Gogh, you were just ahead of your time.
How can someone get paid if Valleywag doesn't know who you are?
The $100,000 is off the table and maybe there never was an intention of paying it out to anyone. Anyone high enough up the food chain to be in the know about the tablet would have been foolish to throw away a career for a $100,000 payout.
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing?
I don't know about that. The world might have gotten excited about it if Ballmer had actually announced anything to get excited about! No release date, no specs, no hands-on? I mean, come on! We know it runs Windows 7 and will have a Kindle app. That's not a product announcement! It's just a desperate attempt to take a little glory from Apple when even they know they've got nothing to show.
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
I've seen the page. they won't pay out until the tablet is released. to prove that the photos/videos are not fake
and actually this was likely nothing more than a PR stunt. The Wag knows that the only folks that could provide that level of solid proof would be in Cupe and thus would be breaking the law and risking their jobs etc. so of course they won't do it. But tons of folks would talk about the offer and the response and go check out the site, thus gaining them lots of hits
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing?
1. it wasn't a Microsoft product. the hardware was all other companies.
2. it was a prototype which could have been mocked up AFTER all the rumors confirming that Apple is most definitely working on a tablet for the very near future came out. and as pointed out a rather detail less prototype at that
3. the presentation was fraught with tech issues including a delay of like 20 minutes when they blew a circuit. not to mention that Ballmer has the public speaking skills of a dull pencil
4. no mention of when or how much. At least when Apple does announce something they have a date and often a price even if it is six months away. they rarely to never say 'this year' they say "shipping now, will be in stores by the end of the week" or "shipping next month" or "will be released in June" and so on.
what Ballmer should have done was skip the Twilight cover and get the Twilight Kids on the stage. it wouldn't matter how lame the tablet is, if Edward is holding it, there are scores of rabid 40 year olds and their daughters that will just have to get one
oh wait. they all use iphones (proven by the tons of photos) so they are probably Apple fans. or at least Apple friendly. and they don't need blip of money such an appearance would get them. soooo, they aren't likely to do it. not for Ballmer. If Steve offered them the cash and a free tablet they might turn up for him.
If you read the terms of the agreement for payment, you have to tell them who you are, your birth date and social security number.
Since a crime most likely would be committed in order to fulfill the contest, that leaves a nice trail to the criminal, for the Apple and the courts to follow the money.
This is just a publicity stunt.
On the other hand, an anonymous winner will provide the icing to the ValleyWag's cake - they will have received the scoop they so desperately seek, and by the rules of their solicitation, they would be under no obligation to pay the anonymous winner a penny.
Win-win for unethical shyster journalism...
On the other hand, an anonymous winner will provide the icing to the ValleyWag's cake - they will have received the scoop they so desperately seek, and by the rules of their solicitation, they would be under no obligation to pay the anonymous winner a penny.
Win-win for unethical shyster journalism...
Bingo! Your a WINNER!!
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
NDAs cover a company and individuals who signed them, but if you happen to be not covered by either of those then you are free to snap pictures if you like and share them with whomever you like. Now taking one and handing it over is another story.
The protection of TRADE SECRETS goes beyond having signed an NDA or not. NDA´s are not a requirement per se, though they do help a lot. Its illegal to offer a payment to go out and steal trade secrets.
There are laws against the theft of trade secrets separate from and in addition to any contracts (NDAs) that may exist between parties.
Even if you're not under an NDA, you can't just snap a picture/make a copy of a trade secret and sell it. Let alone nab and sell the actual (intellectual) property of Apple, Inc.
A visual representation of a products look is not a trade secret. They're saying a picture of an unreleased iPhone is the same as "The Colonel's secret recipe".
A visual representation of a products look is not a trade secret. They're saying a picture of an unreleased iPhone is the same as "The Colonel's secret recipe".
Mmm... California Fried Transistors...
I have to say, though, that if Apple itself has stoked the rumour flames, they've done so rather expertly. I've never seen anything quite like this in regards to an imminent product announcement. The only down side, for Apple is that no matter what they unveil, it can't possibly live up to expectations. It's a risk but on the other hand get a load of all that free publicity. Apple doesn't even present anything at CES yet wound up being the elephant in the room. Everybody knows that 3D TV is at best a fringe market with little chance of enjoying mass adoption. Apple's tablet, on the other hand, has the competition scrambling even before the thing has been publicly unveiled. Impressive.
Ah, journalistic ethics these days..... increasingly an oxymoron.
That is the sad truth.
We didn't need any. I knew it was coming for two years. Just like we knew Apple were making a phone, they sort of had no choice.
You meant to say 'I did not need any, since not all of us 'we' knew it was coming, since it was a rumor and still is until we see the finished product. Yes there is high probability that an announcement will be made in late January, but still no one outside of Apple & select few has see this product.
well not everyone who might have access to their products are covered by an Apple NDA so in theory someone could take a picture and not break any laws. I think that is what apple could be concerned about.
NDAs cover a company and individuals who signed them, but if you happen to be not covered by either of those then you are free to snap pictures if you like and share them with whomever you like. Now taking one and handing it over is another story.
I've never seen anything quite like this in regards to an imminent product announcement.
You don't recall the hype and hyperventilation surrounding the original iPhone intro (starting mid-to-late 2006), or you must be very (very) young.
Ah, how soon these little whippersnappers forget the good old days........
Wow, does Apple really have the entire tech industry up in a tizzy over this supposedly new device? whatever happen to Steve Ballmers slate pc showing?
When was the last time that a Microsoft product lanuch met let alone exceeded expectation. Its been a long time between drinks