Wouldn't such a panel be significantly more expensive and if so, who is going to pay a huge premium for such a device?
Looks like making predictions about the tablet (slate, whatever) has come to be boring even for those making them and as such it's time to switch to something else. I thought the predictions of a 10-inch tablet lacked merit but compared to a touchscreen iMac, they're quite solid.
All I want from Apple is a price cut on the 24-inch monitor. That's overdue and I've been holding off buying one because of the rumoured Jan. 27 presser.
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
As a primary use, you are correct, this would be a nightmare. As a secondary use, you are wrong.. There are plenty of instances where "hands on" the screen could be beneficial and more efficient than a keyboard and mouse, especially for hands on controls of some of the plug ins in Apples pro apps like Logic.. I'd love to be able to tweak some synth or effect parameters using my hands instead of the mouse.. Just like I did in the "old days" when the effects were in front of me in a rack instead of on the computer screen. That doesn't mean the mouse and keyboard would be replaced..
And BTW, painters have been standing in front of a canvas on an easel with their arms out, doing their thing for centuries..
I hate even the slightest smudge or spec of dust on my screens (esp. glass shiny ones), so I would never interact with my computer by greasing the screen.
I also know that keyboard (not mouse) is the absolutely fastest way to drive a computer (any UI), and spend 90% of my time in terminal anyway (software developer, but still), so this is something I would not ever consider buying.
Isn't there an Apple patent application out there for dynamic tactile feedback on a touchscreen? You could be onto something.
But 22"? That's a biiig keyboard!
Touch-screen tech is way more expensive than what is being used right now and has no advantages if all you're doing is typing on the thing. Why would the technology be used for a keyboard?
After all, no one is complaining about having to use a keyboard and mouse. Between them the devices allow for all the input functionality that we need. In addition, the Magic Mouse is a terrific device that allows for gesture input, making even less likely that a touch-screen keyboard is likely.
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
Exactly.
You know, I wish Apple would quit taking ideas off of HP.
First glossy screens and now touch screens...both HP ideas that FAIL.
I have to clean my MacBook Pro matte screen at least once a week. A touch screen would have to be cleaned constantly, especially a glossy one.
They are trying to go extremely cheap, and no better way to to that than to go touch screen and tablets.
Besides selling these iMacs with no stand - designed for hotel lobbies I see very little other practical applications for this device. It's certainly not a consumer product. If true it would run 10.7, like the tablet may.
I'm really doubting this as at a desk, no one wants to sit close enough to comfortably make gestures on a 22-inch screen. That would be about 2ft away, waayyy too close to view without eye stress. Besides, a mouse is much more precise within desktop applications. I realize that touchscreen versions of apps could be made, but this really rings false to me.
Besides, fingers never worked well with glossy screens (much less slick plastic Apple mice).
Even though I tend to agree that this is an unlikely development, I'm not sure it will "never happen" as some are saying.
What confuses me is how far away you sit from your computer. I'm using a 20" iMac right now and my head is always about 1.5 feet away from the screen (sitting normally at an ergonomic desk), and sometimes I lean in to look at something and then my head is more like 9 inches away.
Multi-touch is always somewhat useful IMO (in spite of the dig you take at the magic Mouse above). I would imagine that once the tech becomes ubiquitous and cheap enough that it would be included in desktops as a small "extra." It doesn't have to be the only way to interact with the computer.
Mice for instance are not actually required, and are similarly "extra" handy way of doing things as opposed to the sole and only interaction available to the user.
Besides selling these iMacs with no stand - designed for hotel lobbies I see very little other practical applications for this device. It's certainly not a consumer product. If true it would run 10.7, like the tablet may.
It's not true though.
Consumer? Perhaps not.. Pro users? Yes, see my above post..
Besides selling these iMacs with no stand - designed for hotel lobbies I see very little other practical applications for this device. It's certainly not a consumer product. If true it would run 10.7, like the tablet may.
It's not true though.
A 22" iPhone would be a good move even if it were expensive. Not for use as a traditional computer. But mainly for full screen touch apps. It would revolutionise the music industry. And score Apple cool factor points and free marketing, music producers and artists wouldn't be seen dead in a picture without one.
All the soft synth AU plugins could get a touch interface added, musicians dream.
Imagine virtual Technics 1210's, download from iTunes direct to the iDecks..
I know of a great company apple should buy actually http://www.intergroove.de they practically own the dance music market.
I have to clean my MacBook Pro matte screen at least once a week. A touch screen would have to be cleaned constantly, especially a glossy one.
You need to think outside of the box my friend.. This is Apple were talking about.. For all we know, they could be the first company to include a built in computer screen windshield wiper.
Just saying, the possibilities are endless. There is a solution to every problem.. Just because something hasn't been solved yet doesn't mean it can't be.
Even though I tend to agree that this is an unlikely development, I'm not sure it will "never happen" as some are saying.
What confuses me is how far away you sit from your computer. I'm using a 20" iMac right now and my head is always about 1.5 feet away from the screen (sitting normally at an ergonomic desk), and sometimes I lean in to look at something and then my head is more like 9 inches away.
Multi-touch is always somewhat useful IMO (in spite of the dig you take at the magic Mouse above). I would imagine that once the tech becomes ubiquitous and cheap enough that it would be included in desktops as a small "extra." It doesn't have to be the only way to interact with the computer.
Mice for instance are not actually required, and are similarly "extra" handy way of doing things as opposed to the sole and only interaction available to the user.
I am sure that this (or holographic computing, or virtual reality) will eventually be used for computing, I just don't find it to be feasible today. I do not own a Mac (although I am planning on purchasing one as soon as my Dell dies), and while I spent about 15 hours on a 24-inch iMac at a neighbors creating a DVD of our church's Christmas play (iMovie and iDVD) and had no problem sitting 1 1/2-2 feet away, my CRT at home is very strenuous for my eyes. I just don't see the glass having a suitable coefficient of friction for finger movement, and usability to be dramatically increased for the amount of extra cost.
I also wasn't talking about the Magic Mouse (which I love) but rather the Mighty Mouse (now Apple mouse), which, although the best mouse I have ever used on a PC, still manages to find a way to collect grime from my spotless hands. The only thing I have to say though, is that with Jobs and Apple, anything is possible.
A 22" iPhone would be a good move even if it were expensive. Not for use as a traditional computer. But mainly for full screen touch apps. It would revolutionise the music industry. And score Apple cool factor points and free marketing, music producers and artists wouldn't be seen dead in a picture without one.
Imagine virtual Technics 1210's, download from iTunes direct to the iDecks..
I know of a great company apple should buy actually http://www.intergroove.de they practically own the dance music market.
I agree completely. As would just about anyone who has ever tried to do a final mix on a song in Logic or a edit a film in Final cut.
Mouse mixing and sound tweaking with a mouse is a cumbersome process.. That's why there is such a large market for 3rd party keyboard and external hardware controllers for those apps.. But touching the screen to tweak a sound or slide a fader would trump the functionality of any hardware controller by a long shot..
It could be useful for certain tasks but I imagine these machines would still be used primarily with a keyboard & mouse.
I agree. Certainly a touchscreen would be great in the classroom, information centres and virtual controllers.
If Apple comes up with a touchscreen iMac model, a keyboard just may be superfluous or secondary. If it can eliminate or significantly reduce the number of keyboards/mouses in each classroom, imagine the monies it would save our school boards and our environment.
Not to say one way or another that will come, I would suggest we be a little more open-minded. A lot of the things we are critizing here are not much different than what was being blogged prior to just about every product Apple has ever innovated.
Certainly love the oleophobic coating on the iPhone 3GS. I would think that it will be used on the touchscreens if they come and thus fingerprints will not be a primary issue.
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
Not if there was a way to make the screen go from flat to horizontal it wouldn't.
Besides, I've played with HP's touch screen for a few minutes and it was preaty cool. Just like NSIC Los Angeles (like the original a little more, Gibbs, Tony, Kate, Ziva, Jenny, Leon, Timmy, Abby, Dr mallard, Jimmy) and do a lot of watching on either the shows website or torrent. Not really ripping them off as some shows have ;15 second commercials.
Also not really into TV that much but after watching ABC Lost online for seasons 1,2 and borrowing Season 3,4 and most of 5 online only to discovery 5 was missing like 10 episodes did I discover torrents and then other shows like NCIS, Numb3rs, Fringe, a few Law and orders. Also prefer the criminal intent with Vincent Denofro, great actor.
Anyway, touch is plausible, very doable. Esoecially if you could mix 10 tracks with your fingers but it'll be a while before we see it working really well.
I'm also curios to know any hackntosh i7 8 core benchmarks and atcwhat orice it cost. I use a mbp with 24" glossy, hdmi 1920x1200 and hdmi inputs. The mbp is a 15" glossy with last of express port. Also had the non glossy. In a dark music studio very hard to tell the difference. I just worry about the heat it causes driving the 24 inch. Might sell it for a 27 inch iMac. Nit sure yet. Or hold out and just get both?
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Looks like making predictions about the tablet (slate, whatever) has come to be boring even for those making them and as such it's time to switch to something else. I thought the predictions of a 10-inch tablet lacked merit but compared to a touchscreen iMac, they're quite solid.
All I want from Apple is a price cut on the 24-inch monitor. That's overdue and I've been holding off buying one because of the rumoured Jan. 27 presser.
I wondered if it's only touch-screen keyboard instead of regular keyboard for the new iMac?
Isn't there an Apple patent application out there for dynamic tactile feedback on a touchscreen? You could be onto something.
But 22"? That's a biiig keyboard!
If you're watching this Steve... Well I don't have any more than that, but don't make it!
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
As a primary use, you are correct, this would be a nightmare. As a secondary use, you are wrong.. There are plenty of instances where "hands on" the screen could be beneficial and more efficient than a keyboard and mouse, especially for hands on controls of some of the plug ins in Apples pro apps like Logic.. I'd love to be able to tweak some synth or effect parameters using my hands instead of the mouse.. Just like I did in the "old days" when the effects were in front of me in a rack instead of on the computer screen. That doesn't mean the mouse and keyboard would be replaced..
And BTW, painters have been standing in front of a canvas on an easel with their arms out, doing their thing for centuries..
I also know that keyboard (not mouse) is the absolutely fastest way to drive a computer (any UI), and spend 90% of my time in terminal anyway (software developer, but still), so this is something I would not ever consider buying.
Isn't there an Apple patent application out there for dynamic tactile feedback on a touchscreen? You could be onto something.
But 22"? That's a biiig keyboard!
Touch-screen tech is way more expensive than what is being used right now and has no advantages if all you're doing is typing on the thing. Why would the technology be used for a keyboard?
After all, no one is complaining about having to use a keyboard and mouse. Between them the devices allow for all the input functionality that we need. In addition, the Magic Mouse is a terrific device that allows for gesture input, making even less likely that a touch-screen keyboard is likely.
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
Exactly.
You know, I wish Apple would quit taking ideas off of HP.
First glossy screens and now touch screens...both HP ideas that FAIL.
I have to clean my MacBook Pro matte screen at least once a week. A touch screen would have to be cleaned constantly, especially a glossy one.
They are trying to go extremely cheap, and no better way to to that than to go touch screen and tablets.
It's not true though.
Exactly.
You know, I wish Apple would quit taking ideas off of HP.
So we're blaming Apple for rumored products now.
They are trying to go extremely cheap, and no better way to to that than to go touch screen and tablets.
Seriously, what does that even mean.
I'm really doubting this as at a desk, no one wants to sit close enough to comfortably make gestures on a 22-inch screen. That would be about 2ft away, waayyy too close to view without eye stress. Besides, a mouse is much more precise within desktop applications. I realize that touchscreen versions of apps could be made, but this really rings false to me.
Besides, fingers never worked well with glossy screens (much less slick plastic Apple mice).
Even though I tend to agree that this is an unlikely development, I'm not sure it will "never happen" as some are saying.
What confuses me is how far away you sit from your computer. I'm using a 20" iMac right now and my head is always about 1.5 feet away from the screen (sitting normally at an ergonomic desk), and sometimes I lean in to look at something and then my head is more like 9 inches away.
Multi-touch is always somewhat useful IMO (in spite of the dig you take at the magic Mouse above). I would imagine that once the tech becomes ubiquitous and cheap enough that it would be included in desktops as a small "extra." It doesn't have to be the only way to interact with the computer.
Mice for instance are not actually required, and are similarly "extra" handy way of doing things as opposed to the sole and only interaction available to the user.
Besides selling these iMacs with no stand - designed for hotel lobbies I see very little other practical applications for this device. It's certainly not a consumer product. If true it would run 10.7, like the tablet may.
It's not true though.
Consumer? Perhaps not.. Pro users? Yes, see my above post..
Besides selling these iMacs with no stand - designed for hotel lobbies I see very little other practical applications for this device. It's certainly not a consumer product. If true it would run 10.7, like the tablet may.
It's not true though.
A 22" iPhone would be a good move even if it were expensive. Not for use as a traditional computer. But mainly for full screen touch apps. It would revolutionise the music industry. And score Apple cool factor points and free marketing, music producers and artists wouldn't be seen dead in a picture without one.
All the soft synth AU plugins could get a touch interface added, musicians dream.
Imagine virtual Technics 1210's, download from iTunes direct to the iDecks..
I know of a great company apple should buy actually http://www.intergroove.de they practically own the dance music market.
Exactly.
I have to clean my MacBook Pro matte screen at least once a week. A touch screen would have to be cleaned constantly, especially a glossy one.
You need to think outside of the box my friend.. This is Apple were talking about.. For all we know, they could be the first company to include a built in computer screen windshield wiper.
Just saying, the possibilities are endless. There is a solution to every problem.. Just because something hasn't been solved yet doesn't mean it can't be.
Even though I tend to agree that this is an unlikely development, I'm not sure it will "never happen" as some are saying.
What confuses me is how far away you sit from your computer. I'm using a 20" iMac right now and my head is always about 1.5 feet away from the screen (sitting normally at an ergonomic desk), and sometimes I lean in to look at something and then my head is more like 9 inches away.
Multi-touch is always somewhat useful IMO (in spite of the dig you take at the magic Mouse above). I would imagine that once the tech becomes ubiquitous and cheap enough that it would be included in desktops as a small "extra." It doesn't have to be the only way to interact with the computer.
Mice for instance are not actually required, and are similarly "extra" handy way of doing things as opposed to the sole and only interaction available to the user.
I am sure that this (or holographic computing, or virtual reality) will eventually be used for computing, I just don't find it to be feasible today. I do not own a Mac (although I am planning on purchasing one as soon as my Dell dies), and while I spent about 15 hours on a 24-inch iMac at a neighbors creating a DVD of our church's Christmas play (iMovie and iDVD) and had no problem sitting 1 1/2-2 feet away, my CRT at home is very strenuous for my eyes. I just don't see the glass having a suitable coefficient of friction for finger movement, and usability to be dramatically increased for the amount of extra cost.
I also wasn't talking about the Magic Mouse (which I love) but rather the Mighty Mouse (now Apple mouse), which, although the best mouse I have ever used on a PC, still manages to find a way to collect grime from my spotless hands. The only thing I have to say though, is that with Jobs and Apple, anything is possible.
A 22" iPhone would be a good move even if it were expensive. Not for use as a traditional computer. But mainly for full screen touch apps. It would revolutionise the music industry. And score Apple cool factor points and free marketing, music producers and artists wouldn't be seen dead in a picture without one.
Imagine virtual Technics 1210's, download from iTunes direct to the iDecks..
I know of a great company apple should buy actually http://www.intergroove.de they practically own the dance music market.
I agree completely. As would just about anyone who has ever tried to do a final mix on a song in Logic or a edit a film in Final cut.
Mouse mixing and sound tweaking with a mouse is a cumbersome process.. That's why there is such a large market for 3rd party keyboard and external hardware controllers for those apps.. But touching the screen to tweak a sound or slide a fader would trump the functionality of any hardware controller by a long shot..
It could be useful for certain tasks but I imagine these machines would still be used primarily with a keyboard & mouse.
I agree. Certainly a touchscreen would be great in the classroom, information centres and virtual controllers.
If Apple comes up with a touchscreen iMac model, a keyboard just may be superfluous or secondary. If it can eliminate or significantly reduce the number of keyboards/mouses in each classroom, imagine the monies it would save our school boards and our environment.
Not to say one way or another that will come, I would suggest we be a little more open-minded. A lot of the things we are critizing here are not much different than what was being blogged prior to just about every product Apple has ever innovated.
Certainly love the oleophobic coating on the iPhone 3GS. I would think that it will be used on the touchscreens if they come and thus fingerprints will not be a primary issue.
That's why there is such a large market for 3rd party keyboard and external hardware controllers for those apps..
Precisely.
The Logic integration would be heaven.
It's not 'if' a device of this type will revolutionise the industry, it's 'when'.
Much of the world considers Taiwan as a separate country.
Has anyone tried holding their arms out, pointing at a screen, try that for 10 seconds and hold, and repeat. After about a minute your arms ache. What a stupid idea. Fine for iSlate or Tablets, but not desktop computers, will never happen. And you will be cleaning the screen every 5 minutes.
Not if there was a way to make the screen go from flat to horizontal it wouldn't.
Besides, I've played with HP's touch screen for a few minutes and it was preaty cool. Just like NSIC Los Angeles (like the original a little more, Gibbs, Tony, Kate, Ziva, Jenny, Leon, Timmy, Abby, Dr mallard, Jimmy) and do a lot of watching on either the shows website or torrent. Not really ripping them off as some shows have ;15 second commercials.
Also not really into TV that much but after watching ABC Lost online for seasons 1,2 and borrowing Season 3,4 and most of 5 online only to discovery 5 was missing like 10 episodes did I discover torrents and then other shows like NCIS, Numb3rs, Fringe, a few Law and orders. Also prefer the criminal intent with Vincent Denofro, great actor.
Anyway, touch is plausible, very doable. Esoecially if you could mix 10 tracks with your fingers but it'll be a while before we see it working really well.
I'm also curios to know any hackntosh i7 8 core benchmarks and atcwhat orice it cost. I use a mbp with 24" glossy, hdmi 1920x1200 and hdmi inputs. The mbp is a 15" glossy with last of express port. Also had the non glossy. In a dark music studio very hard to tell the difference. I just worry about the heat it causes driving the 24 inch. Might sell it for a 27 inch iMac. Nit sure yet. Or hold out and just get both?
Later.