if you are president and thousands of your citizens are getting sick and dying from something that no one understands, you need to do something about it.
i know this is off topic, but just to let you know, scott:
in 1981, the first media report of the pandemic was published. the same year, the CDC published reports of an unknown disease. Six years, 36,000 infections, and 21,000 deaths later, Reagan made his first public comment on the disease. in 1988, the National AIDS Commission (which he formed) presented him with over 500 recommendations of how to fight the disease. The list was reduced to 10 items.
i don't know where you come from, but where i come from, that's pretty irresponsible.
cheers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What's that, CDC? Who are they? Who do they work for? Since when do gay men get their medical advice from the President? Like a message from Reagan would have magically snapped rubbers on all the boners out there?
Healthcare is regulated by the government (including the surgeon general), the President is the head of the Government. Sure its more complicated than that but it's not like your boy Bush wasn't out talking about Anthrax a few months ago.
Not that I don't generally like Reagan. He acted like a decent president. I don't even care to get involved in a debate about his actions, regarding HIV and AIDS, in the 80's. I've already listed my opinions on best presidents. But your statements insinuating that only gay men get AIDS is outright ignorant. Either that or you're just out to yank chains and spoil a perfectly good thread in the process. Which is worse I don't know, nor care.
What's that, CDC? Who are they? Who do they work for? Since when do gay men get their medical advice from the President? Like a message from Reagan would have magically snapped rubbers on all the boners out there?
Pandemic?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The CDC is the Centers for Disease Control. These days they are known as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, although they still go by CDC and not CDCP. They work for the US Department of Health and Human Services, and more generally, for humanity. You may remember recently a bunch of reporters standing in front of the CDC building talking about anthrax.
No, gay men do not get their health advice from the president any more than straight people do. Unless the president is a doctor, this is unreasonable. The job of the president is to lead the country. To shape national policy. Not to sit by while thousands of bodies pile up. A statement by Reagan would have helped to gather media attention and to raise public awareness of AIDS. Maybe then more people would have begun to protect themselves. That would have saved lives.
A pandemic is an epidemic that affects a large geographic area and a large portion of the population.
Seb says:
[quote] But your statements insinuating that only gay men get AIDS is outright ignorant.<hr></blockquote>
That's on partially correct. It's not only ignorant. It's dangerous.
When talking about Reagan lets not forget the crack epidemic, saving and loan debacle, cutting student loans and increasing the amount of taxable student income.
Anders, I for one would love to hear your opinion on who the best Danish leaders were and why.
<strong>When talking about Reagan lets not forget the crack epidemic, saving and loan debacle, cutting student loans and increasing the amount of taxable student income.
Anders, I for one would love to hear your opinion on who the best Danish leaders were and why.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Remembering back to that time...my early teens...the first two things I remember about AIDS were a garbageman contracting the disease, the first known heterosexual victim and my sex education teacher (in an all boys Catholic High School) talking about how this was something that would affect everyone. I don't think Reagan could have stopped this disease, but he could have had more of an impact if he hadn't simply ignored it.
I also remember lines down the block of crackheads waiting to cop and we're still paying the price of his misguided policies in that area.
So Reagan forced aids infected sperm in men's asses and crack pipes to addicts mouths?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since when did only men get aids?
Edit: Additionally, the San Jose Mercury won a pulitzer prize a few years ago when they discovered that the CIA funded its operations in the 80s by introducing crack into inner cities, thus transforming cocaine from a drug only for the rich and poor into a drug that was accessible to a wider population and thus capable of funding such interventions as Grenada. "Crack: The Windows of Cocaine"
<strong>Edit: Additionally, the San Jose Mercury won a pulitzer prize a few years ago when they discovered that the CIA funded its operations in the 80s by introducing crack into inner cities, thus transforming cocaine from a drug only for the rich and poor into a drug that was accessible to a wider population and thus capable of funding such interventions as Grenada. "Crack: The Windows of Cocaine"
Do you have anything to back this up? I would be very interested on any information, on the web, book, newspaper, etc, that I could access about this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll try to check the newspapers online database. They charge, so I'll only be able to get abstracts, but I will check
Conveniently, the Mercury News web archive is currently under maintenance, so I won't be able to post links to the actual articles right now. For a mix of information, go to google and type "San Jose Mercury News", "crack", and "cocaine", and you'll get lots of sites talking about the series of articles. Of note (so as to get both sides of the stories):
Both of the above links are government reports spawned by the Mercury News allegations. While I only skimmed them both, the CIA report (obviously) denies any and all allegations.
When the Mercury News database goes online again, I'll post links to abstracts of the original articles.
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that's pretty narrow minded.
if you are president and thousands of your citizens are getting sick and dying from something that no one understands, you need to do something about it.
i know this is off topic, but just to let you know, scott:
in 1981, the first media report of the pandemic was published. the same year, the CDC published reports of an unknown disease. Six years, 36,000 infections, and 21,000 deaths later, Reagan made his first public comment on the disease. in 1988, the National AIDS Commission (which he formed) presented him with over 500 recommendations of how to fight the disease. The list was reduced to 10 items.
i don't know where you come from, but where i come from, that's pretty irresponsible.
cheers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What's that, CDC? Who are they? Who do they work for? Since when do gay men get their medical advice from the President?
Pandemic?
<a href="http://www.pedaids.org/fs_about_us.html"; target="_blank">http://www.pedaids.org/fs_about_us.html</a>;
Healthcare is regulated by the government (including the surgeon general), the President is the head of the Government. Sure its more complicated than that but it's not like your boy Bush wasn't out talking about Anthrax a few months ago.
Not that I don't generally like Reagan. He acted like a decent president. I don't even care to get involved in a debate about his actions, regarding HIV and AIDS, in the 80's. I've already listed my opinions on best presidents. But your statements insinuating that only gay men get AIDS is outright ignorant. Either that or you're just out to yank chains and spoil a perfectly good thread in the process. Which is worse I don't know, nor care.
"Ancient": Lincoln
Modern: Reagan
GOP! ...yea.
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What's that, CDC? Who are they? Who do they work for? Since when do gay men get their medical advice from the President?
Pandemic?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The CDC is the Centers for Disease Control. These days they are known as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, although they still go by CDC and not CDCP. They work for the US Department of Health and Human Services, and more generally, for humanity. You may remember recently a bunch of reporters standing in front of the CDC building talking about anthrax.
No, gay men do not get their health advice from the president any more than straight people do. Unless the president is a doctor, this is unreasonable. The job of the president is to lead the country. To shape national policy. Not to sit by while thousands of bodies pile up. A statement by Reagan would have helped to gather media attention and to raise public awareness of AIDS. Maybe then more people would have begun to protect themselves. That would have saved lives.
A pandemic is an epidemic that affects a large geographic area and a large portion of the population.
Seb says:
[quote] But your statements insinuating that only gay men get AIDS is outright ignorant.<hr></blockquote>
That's on partially correct. It's not only ignorant. It's dangerous.
Anders, I for one would love to hear your opinion on who the best Danish leaders were and why.
<strong>When talking about Reagan lets not forget the crack epidemic, saving and loan debacle, cutting student loans and increasing the amount of taxable student income.
Anders, I for one would love to hear your opinion on who the best Danish leaders were and why.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Crack epidemic? That was Reagans fault?
Modern: William Jefferson Clinton
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<strong>Dude, haven't you heard? Everything bad happened because of Reagan, everything good despite him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So Reagan forced aids infected sperm in men's asses and crack pipes to addicts mouths?
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Do you want to debate or simply to inflame?
Remembering back to that time...my early teens...the first two things I remember about AIDS were a garbageman contracting the disease, the first known heterosexual victim and my sex education teacher (in an all boys Catholic High School) talking about how this was something that would affect everyone. I don't think Reagan could have stopped this disease, but he could have had more of an impact if he hadn't simply ignored it.
I also remember lines down the block of crackheads waiting to cop and we're still paying the price of his misguided policies in that area.
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So Reagan forced aids infected sperm in men's asses and crack pipes to addicts mouths?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Since when did only men get aids?
Edit: Additionally, the San Jose Mercury won a pulitzer prize a few years ago when they discovered that the CIA funded its operations in the 80s by introducing crack into inner cities, thus transforming cocaine from a drug only for the rich and poor into a drug that was accessible to a wider population and thus capable of funding such interventions as Grenada. "Crack: The Windows of Cocaine"
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Since when did only men get aids?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did I say that?
<strong>Edit: Additionally, the San Jose Mercury won a pulitzer prize a few years ago when they discovered that the CIA funded its operations in the 80s by introducing crack into inner cities, thus transforming cocaine from a drug only for the rich and poor into a drug that was accessible to a wider population and thus capable of funding such interventions as Grenada. "Crack: The Windows of Cocaine"
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Do you have anything to back this up? I would be very interested on any information, on the web, book, newspaper, etc, that I could access about this.
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Do you have anything to back this up? I would be very interested on any information, on the web, book, newspaper, etc, that I could access about this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll try to check the newspapers online database. They charge, so I'll only be able to get abstracts, but I will check
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Did I say that?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It was implied by the fact that you only refer to gay men in all of your posts.
Conveniently, the Mercury News web archive is currently under maintenance, so I won't be able to post links to the actual articles right now. For a mix of information, go to google and type "San Jose Mercury News", "crack", and "cocaine", and you'll get lots of sites talking about the series of articles. Of note (so as to get both sides of the stories):
<a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/c4rpt/c4toc.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/c4rpt/c4toc.htm</a>;
<a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/cocaine/report/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/cocaine/report/index.html</a>;
Both of the above links are government reports spawned by the Mercury News allegations. While I only skimmed them both, the CIA report (obviously) denies any and all allegations.
When the Mercury News database goes online again, I'll post links to abstracts of the original articles.
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I'll try to check the newspapers online database. They charge, so I'll only be able to get abstracts, but I will check</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, if you don't already pay, then don't worry about that.
[edit - thanks agent302]
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