Which is why they should have done something innovative here that solves both problems even if it would have made the unit more expensive. But personally I don't think it would of. There must be a way to somehow hide a bezel while still making it seem like it's all screen.
Gawd Jonny Ive got lazy on this one.
On the contrary. A design that tries to "hide" things, to make them look like something they are not, is poor design. Do you remember the bezel on the G4 iMac? It was a very prominent design feature, which a lesser designer might have tried to "hide," but a good one makes expressive of its function. Do you remember how many people griped about the "ugly" black-screened Mac laptops -- before they'd actually seen one in person? All of those complaints disappeared once they did.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it. Frankly, I'm putting my money on Ives. He hasn't blown it yet.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it.
On the contrary. A design that tries to "hide" things, to make them look like something they are not, is poor design. Do you remember the bezel on the G4 iMac? It was a very prominent design feature, which a lesser designer might have tried to "hide," but a good one makes expressive of its function. Do you remember how many people griped about the "ugly" black-screened Mac laptops -- before they'd actually seen one in person? All of those complaints disappeared once they did.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it. Frankly, I'm putting my money on Ives. He hasn't blown it yet.
This is what drives me up the wall. It's not that he's blown it. It's that Apple has made a "good" device. There is no innovation here but an evolution. And evolution will not kill the netbook. I, like Jobs, want to see the netbook die. This won't kill it.
And forget about hiding a bezel. I was only saying that to appease Mr. Jobs and this perceived limitation on design.
I want the bezel ELIMINATED period! There would be a problem holding it? Then get to work on the problem then Mr. Ive! And I don't want to hear any excuses. I don't want it to have a bezel and I want to easily hold the device! Get it done Ive or your friggin FIRED! I don't want a "good" product. I want a product that looks like it came out of a freaking time machine! Make the iPad beautiful Ive or I'll find someone who can!
If I were Jobs that's how I would have been screaming at my crew.
I don't. I don't like compromise. I don't like backward, retro thinking when it comes to tech.
I don't like the status quo when it comes to tech.
Lord, I wished I had went for an engineering degree.
I just KNOWWWWWWWWWWW there are a couple of kids in a garage somewhere plotting a scheme to crush Steve Jobs under their heels!
And Ballmer? He's not even a blip on their radar. Google? Brilliant software people who couldn't design hardware to save their lives! Where are you young entrepreneurs? I know you feel the same frustration I do.
Truly innovative tech is being suppressed not invented! Someone DO SOMETHING!
This is what drives me up the wall. It's not that he's blown it. It's that Apple has made a "good" device. There is no innovation here but an evolution. And evolution will not kill the netbook. I, like Jobs, want to see the netbook die. This won't kill it.
And forget about hiding a bezel. I was only saying that to appease Mr. Jobs and this perceived limitation on design.
I want the bezel ELIMINATED period! There would be a problem holding it? Then get to work on the problem then Mr. Ive! And I don't want to hear any excuses. I don't want it to have a bezel and I want to easily hold the device! Get it done Ive or your friggin FIRED! I don't want a "good" product. I want a product that looks like it came out of a freaking time machine! Make the iPad beautiful Ive or I'll find someone who can!
If I were Jobs that's how I would have been screaming at my crew.
Maybe Jobs has become soft.
Why is killing the netbook important, let alone the priority, let alone the iPad's reason for being? You should understand that it's you (and others with similar thinking) who've set this goal, not Apple. And why not? Because it would be a dumb goal. A pointless goal.
Your opinions leave me confused, frankly. One the one hand you say that Ives hasn't blown it; on the other you think he should be fired. All without ever setting eyes on the actual device, no less.
But you know best, I'm sure. Apple OTOH is clueless.
If I might just add, with all due respect, getting sort of hysterical in your internet demands that a large multinational corporation cede to your will and remove the bezel from their computing device is not a good sign.
iPhone style os rather than traditional mouse oriented os
Size and form factor: Perfect size for a math-app that will eliminate my need for a ti-89 AND give me speedy graphics ability (ever try to do a 3D plot on a ti?)
Perfect size for reading.
Only one surface (i.e. it's a slate) rather than a folding book, so much easier to look at, then set aside when working in the lab than a laptop is. Just try it with your MBP. You have to worry about keeping the thing balance so you don't drop it, the display is all wobbly, etc. Now think of reading from a clipboard and setting it aside. Easy! simple balance. (If that was incoherent, blame the cognac.)
Aluminium back!! AWESOME!!!
Profile. Looks very nice and comfortable to hold.
Large margin separating the edge of the screen and the edge of the device. One of the problems with the iPhone/iPod touch is that the tracking at the edges of the screen degrades a bit. By providing a large margin, we not only have a place to hold the device without smearing all over the screen or obstructing the view, but Apple could also (and I hope that they have) extend the touch sensor into this area to provide excellent tracking at the edges as well as in the middle of the screen. Additionally, I can see future revisions including an oled strip under the margins or something to allow them to be used dynamically for buttons. i.e., have the oled activate in a quarter sized area only to draw an icon for a button, that can then be used for whatever purpose the App programmer wants.
Maps will look great on this.
Full and optimized iWork!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Freaking Awesome!! \\o/ (now can you just fix the pdf viewer on the current iPod touch so that we can jump to pages? kthxbai)
Insane battery life.
Option to buy with or without 3g.
NO CONTRACT data plans!!!!! Woot!
The fact that Apple has once again focused their energy on getting every included feature as refined and awesome as possible, rather than on trying to throw as many features in as possible.
Dislike:
REALLY wish there was an actual GPS chip, rather than only the tower triangulation. The area I live in doesn't have any wi-fi hotspots that the iPod touch seems to know about, so I can't use location services, and it would be nice to be able to go geocaching with it, or use it as a navigation device (even though I have an in-car dohicky already) for long road trips. Or better than navigation device, let me search for nearby attractions, fuel, hotels, etc, more easily (and faster, no doubt) than I can on my garmin nuvi. Wouldn't have to interrupt navigation if I could search on the iPad's built in database. Plus it would have a greater potential for doing searches by voice than the nuvi does. Besides, how else is the government going to track my movements if there's no GPS receiver chip built in? o.O
Discounting the comment I made earlier about the margins being used for buttons, I am THINKING that it might be nicer to have the margins made out of aluminium rather than glass..... maybe. A matte finish on an aluminum margin would make it easier to hold, I think... But then, glass is rather sticky to the fingers, so I'm undecided.
The Dock connector needs to go. I've had trouble with it on my iPod touch (the dock basically doesn't work anymore, so I have to use just a usb cable). The problem is that the male connector is rather flimsy, and can't stand up to much abuse, especially from lateral forces. It would be very nice to have a connector that was more suitable, perhaps by having it attach to the surface of the device, rather than penetrating into it (no gutter-minds, folks). Such a connector is used on some Garmin devices. The device itself only has a small contact pad that is flush with the surface of the device, and the cable that attaches to it then has a small rounded pin that sits on the pad. Going with this type of connector, perhaps held in place by some mag-safe type tech, would be really really nice.
I'd prefer it if there was an SD card slot, but I'm not feeling really picky about it. SD would let you upgrade the storage space and also load new photos quickly from your camera, so it kinda seems like a no-brainer, but meh. I've been wanting SD slots on the iPhone/iPod touch etc for so long that I've rather given up on it.
That's about all I can think of for now. I'm REALLY excited about this thing. I'm hesitant to be an early adopter, especially since I'm about to graduate and will have uncertain income in the near future, but this thing is what I've been waiting for for so long, and fills so many of my needs, that I may take the plunge anyway.
REALLY wish there was an actual GPS chip, rather than only the tower triangulation.
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
hmm, interesting... can you provide a link that will verify?
I read somewhere that all cell phones in the US are now required by law to contain GPS of some sort so that EMS can track a location if they receive a call. Assisted GPS is a new system that allows the GPS to get a fix much faster than non-assisted GPS. My iPhone can get a fix pretty fast; the nav system in my car takes up to a minute.
I read somewhere that all cell phones in the US are now required by law to contain GPS of some sort so that EMS can track a location if they receive a call. Assisted GPS is a new system that allows the GPS to get a fix much faster than non-assisted GPS. My iPhone can get a fix pretty fast; the nav system in my car takes up to a minute.
eh, well, it may be right what you say about there being an actual chip. I'll keep my fingers crossed until I see something less ambiguous than "Assisted GPS" though.
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
That seems to be a common misunderstanding-- the idea that "assisted GPS" is some kind of fake GPS, rather than "GPS+."
If I might just add, with all due respect, getting sort of hysterical in your internet demands that a large multinational corporation cede to your will and remove the bezel from their computing device is not a good sign.
To tell you the truth, I'm a bit confused myself why Apple isn't listening to me. \
Seriously, it is interesting that some of you think that my thoughts on this matter is conflicted. I'm not going to explain myself either because I know I'm clear to those out there who can understand.
If only a miracle could happen that Microsoft accidentally releases the Courier true to it's original vision and not watered down. Because from what I've been hearing about their corporate culture of killing innovation, it would take a miracle.
But if the courier does become a reality. And it's an open device that allows you full control over it, then the iPad will be in some real trouble.
Which describe it as :"Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS, is a system which can improve the startup performance of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. "
Which is why they should have done something innovative here that solves both problems
There's an Apple patent that describes touch-based hot corners on the bezel so perhaps they will make use of the size. I think the bezel size is ok as it prevents accidentally touching the screen - it could have been a bit smaller but all the other tablets have large bezels too.
Which describe it as :"Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS, is a system which can improve the startup performance of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. "
The interesting bit in that article is this:
"Some A-GPS devices cannot fall back to standard GPS."
So there's a chance that GPS might actually not work on the iPad unless you paid for cellular access.
What if you want GPS for the map app on the road but are otherwise happy with just Wi-Fi Internet access at hotspots/at home?
Well, we don't know any of this yet.
But knowing Apple I wouldn't be surprised if GPS functionality would require paid cellular access.
- Finally someone trying to get tablet computing right, great first step
Dislikes:
Way too many corners cut:
- resolution should have been 1280x1024 to also best the Kindle DX
- every model should have been upgradable to GPS/3G, not a decision from the start
- missing 2. dock connector on the long side to use iPad as photo viewer when docked/charging, most photos are landscape and look silly in a portrait orientation
- missing SD slot for easier (dongle-less) photo transfer from camera, also as storage expansion
- missing built-in camera, not only for video conferencing, developers would have found many smart/fun uses
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Uses mobile OS X and not full-featured Intel OS X.
If it had been a MacPad I'd have been impressed. As it is, I'm not.
Which is why they should have done something innovative here that solves both problems even if it would have made the unit more expensive. But personally I don't think it would of. There must be a way to somehow hide a bezel while still making it seem like it's all screen.
Gawd Jonny Ive got lazy on this one.
On the contrary. A design that tries to "hide" things, to make them look like something they are not, is poor design. Do you remember the bezel on the G4 iMac? It was a very prominent design feature, which a lesser designer might have tried to "hide," but a good one makes expressive of its function. Do you remember how many people griped about the "ugly" black-screened Mac laptops -- before they'd actually seen one in person? All of those complaints disappeared once they did.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it. Frankly, I'm putting my money on Ives. He hasn't blown it yet.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it.
I agree.
I can't find a link to it now but there has been an extensive article done that disproves this argument pretty much completely.
Here's your link
On the contrary. A design that tries to "hide" things, to make them look like something they are not, is poor design. Do you remember the bezel on the G4 iMac? It was a very prominent design feature, which a lesser designer might have tried to "hide," but a good one makes expressive of its function. Do you remember how many people griped about the "ugly" black-screened Mac laptops -- before they'd actually seen one in person? All of those complaints disappeared once they did.
The lesson is, you should wait until you put an iPad in your hand to see if the design and functionality are well mated, before you say you're so certain that Ives blew it. Frankly, I'm putting my money on Ives. He hasn't blown it yet.
This is what drives me up the wall. It's not that he's blown it. It's that Apple has made a "good" device. There is no innovation here but an evolution. And evolution will not kill the netbook. I, like Jobs, want to see the netbook die. This won't kill it.
And forget about hiding a bezel. I was only saying that to appease Mr. Jobs and this perceived limitation on design.
I want the bezel ELIMINATED period! There would be a problem holding it? Then get to work on the problem then Mr. Ive! And I don't want to hear any excuses. I don't want it to have a bezel and I want to easily hold the device! Get it done Ive or your friggin FIRED! I don't want a "good" product. I want a product that looks like it came out of a freaking time machine! Make the iPad beautiful Ive or I'll find someone who can!
If I were Jobs that's how I would have been screaming at my crew.
Maybe Jobs has become soft.
I agree.
I don't. I don't like compromise. I don't like backward, retro thinking when it comes to tech.
I don't like the status quo when it comes to tech.
Lord, I wished I had went for an engineering degree.
I just KNOWWWWWWWWWWW there are a couple of kids in a garage somewhere plotting a scheme to crush Steve Jobs under their heels!
And Ballmer? He's not even a blip on their radar. Google? Brilliant software people who couldn't design hardware to save their lives! Where are you young entrepreneurs? I know you feel the same frustration I do.
Truly innovative tech is being suppressed not invented! Someone DO SOMETHING!
This is what drives me up the wall. It's not that he's blown it. It's that Apple has made a "good" device. There is no innovation here but an evolution. And evolution will not kill the netbook. I, like Jobs, want to see the netbook die. This won't kill it.
And forget about hiding a bezel. I was only saying that to appease Mr. Jobs and this perceived limitation on design.
I want the bezel ELIMINATED period! There would be a problem holding it? Then get to work on the problem then Mr. Ive! And I don't want to hear any excuses. I don't want it to have a bezel and I want to easily hold the device! Get it done Ive or your friggin FIRED! I don't want a "good" product. I want a product that looks like it came out of a freaking time machine! Make the iPad beautiful Ive or I'll find someone who can!
If I were Jobs that's how I would have been screaming at my crew.
Maybe Jobs has become soft.
Why is killing the netbook important, let alone the priority, let alone the iPad's reason for being? You should understand that it's you (and others with similar thinking) who've set this goal, not Apple. And why not? Because it would be a dumb goal. A pointless goal.
Your opinions leave me confused, frankly. One the one hand you say that Ives hasn't blown it; on the other you think he should be fired. All without ever setting eyes on the actual device, no less.
But you know best, I'm sure. Apple OTOH is clueless.
iPhone style os rather than traditional mouse oriented os
Size and form factor: Perfect size for a math-app that will eliminate my need for a ti-89 AND give me speedy graphics ability (ever try to do a 3D plot on a ti?)
Perfect size for reading.
Only one surface (i.e. it's a slate) rather than a folding book, so much easier to look at, then set aside when working in the lab than a laptop is. Just try it with your MBP. You have to worry about keeping the thing balance so you don't drop it, the display is all wobbly, etc. Now think of reading from a clipboard and setting it aside. Easy! simple balance. (If that was incoherent, blame the cognac.)
Aluminium back!! AWESOME!!!
Profile. Looks very nice and comfortable to hold.
Large margin separating the edge of the screen and the edge of the device. One of the problems with the iPhone/iPod touch is that the tracking at the edges of the screen degrades a bit. By providing a large margin, we not only have a place to hold the device without smearing all over the screen or obstructing the view, but Apple could also (and I hope that they have) extend the touch sensor into this area to provide excellent tracking at the edges as well as in the middle of the screen. Additionally, I can see future revisions including an oled strip under the margins or something to allow them to be used dynamically for buttons. i.e., have the oled activate in a quarter sized area only to draw an icon for a button, that can then be used for whatever purpose the App programmer wants.
Maps will look great on this.
Full and optimized iWork!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Freaking Awesome!! \\o/ (now can you just fix the pdf viewer on the current iPod touch so that we can jump to pages? kthxbai)
Insane battery life.
Option to buy with or without 3g.
NO CONTRACT data plans!!!!! Woot!
The fact that Apple has once again focused their energy on getting every included feature as refined and awesome as possible, rather than on trying to throw as many features in as possible.
Dislike:
REALLY wish there was an actual GPS chip, rather than only the tower triangulation. The area I live in doesn't have any wi-fi hotspots that the iPod touch seems to know about, so I can't use location services, and it would be nice to be able to go geocaching with it, or use it as a navigation device (even though I have an in-car dohicky already) for long road trips. Or better than navigation device, let me search for nearby attractions, fuel, hotels, etc, more easily (and faster, no doubt) than I can on my garmin nuvi. Wouldn't have to interrupt navigation if I could search on the iPad's built in database. Plus it would have a greater potential for doing searches by voice than the nuvi does. Besides, how else is the government going to track my movements if there's no GPS receiver chip built in? o.O
Discounting the comment I made earlier about the margins being used for buttons, I am THINKING that it might be nicer to have the margins made out of aluminium rather than glass..... maybe. A matte finish on an aluminum margin would make it easier to hold, I think... But then, glass is rather sticky to the fingers, so I'm undecided.
The Dock connector needs to go. I've had trouble with it on my iPod touch (the dock basically doesn't work anymore, so I have to use just a usb cable). The problem is that the male connector is rather flimsy, and can't stand up to much abuse, especially from lateral forces. It would be very nice to have a connector that was more suitable, perhaps by having it attach to the surface of the device, rather than penetrating into it (no gutter-minds, folks). Such a connector is used on some Garmin devices. The device itself only has a small contact pad that is flush with the surface of the device, and the cable that attaches to it then has a small rounded pin that sits on the pad. Going with this type of connector, perhaps held in place by some mag-safe type tech, would be really really nice.
I'd prefer it if there was an SD card slot, but I'm not feeling really picky about it. SD would let you upgrade the storage space and also load new photos quickly from your camera, so it kinda seems like a no-brainer, but meh. I've been wanting SD slots on the iPhone/iPod touch etc for so long that I've rather given up on it.
That's about all I can think of for now. I'm REALLY excited about this thing. I'm hesitant to be an early adopter, especially since I'm about to graduate and will have uncertain income in the near future, but this thing is what I've been waiting for for so long, and fills so many of my needs, that I may take the plunge anyway.
C
Dislike:
REALLY wish there was an actual GPS chip, rather than only the tower triangulation.
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
hmm, interesting... can you provide a link that will verify?
C
hmm, interesting... can you provide a link that will verify?
C
First place I thought to look:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
Listed under "Location"
I read somewhere that all cell phones in the US are now required by law to contain GPS of some sort so that EMS can track a location if they receive a call. Assisted GPS is a new system that allows the GPS to get a fix much faster than non-assisted GPS. My iPhone can get a fix pretty fast; the nav system in my car takes up to a minute.
GPS in phones is connected with the 911 mandate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_911
First place I thought to look:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
Listed under "Location"
I read somewhere that all cell phones in the US are now required by law to contain GPS of some sort so that EMS can track a location if they receive a call. Assisted GPS is a new system that allows the GPS to get a fix much faster than non-assisted GPS. My iPhone can get a fix pretty fast; the nav system in my car takes up to a minute.
GPS in phones is connected with the 911 mandate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_911
eh, well, it may be right what you say about there being an actual chip. I'll keep my fingers crossed until I see something less ambiguous than "Assisted GPS" though.
C
The 3G iPad models have an actual GPS chip. It's A-GPS which means it contains a real GPS chip + Assistance from cell tower triangulation which is only a bonus (for faster initial localization).
That seems to be a common misunderstanding-- the idea that "assisted GPS" is some kind of fake GPS, rather than "GPS+."
If I might just add, with all due respect, getting sort of hysterical in your internet demands that a large multinational corporation cede to your will and remove the bezel from their computing device is not a good sign.
To tell you the truth, I'm a bit confused myself why Apple isn't listening to me.
Seriously, it is interesting that some of you think that my thoughts on this matter is conflicted. I'm not going to explain myself either because I know I'm clear to those out there who can understand.
If only a miracle could happen that Microsoft accidentally releases the Courier true to it's original vision and not watered down. Because from what I've been hearing about their corporate culture of killing innovation, it would take a miracle.
But if the courier does become a reality. And it's an open device that allows you full control over it, then the iPad will be in some real trouble.
hmm, interesting... can you provide a link that will verify?
C
How about searching for "A-GPS" in google? It would give you this link as a first result:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
Which describe it as :"Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS, is a system which can improve the startup performance of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. "
Which is why they should have done something innovative here that solves both problems
There's an Apple patent that describes touch-based hot corners on the bezel so perhaps they will make use of the size. I think the bezel size is ok as it prevents accidentally touching the screen - it could have been a bit smaller but all the other tablets have large bezels too.
Here's your link
That is not the link.
How about searching for "A-GPS" in google? It would give you this link as a first result:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
Which describe it as :"Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS, is a system which can improve the startup performance of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. "
The interesting bit in that article is this:
"Some A-GPS devices cannot fall back to standard GPS."
So there's a chance that GPS might actually not work on the iPad unless you paid for cellular access.
What if you want GPS for the map app on the road but are otherwise happy with just Wi-Fi Internet access at hotspots/at home?
Well, we don't know any of this yet.
But knowing Apple I wouldn't be surprised if GPS functionality would require paid cellular access.
- Finally someone trying to get tablet computing right, great first step
Dislikes:
Way too many corners cut:
- resolution should have been 1280x1024 to also best the Kindle DX
- every model should have been upgradable to GPS/3G, not a decision from the start
- missing 2. dock connector on the long side to use iPad as photo viewer when docked/charging, most photos are landscape and look silly in a portrait orientation
- missing SD slot for easier (dongle-less) photo transfer from camera, also as storage expansion
- missing built-in camera, not only for video conferencing, developers would have found many smart/fun uses