Microsoft, Nokia, Nintendo take shots at Apple's iPad debut

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  • Reply 121 of 428
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    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh the fanboys are out already I see.



    I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.



    WOW and you can use it for all that stuff with the 15 minutes left in your battery.
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    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,261member
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    Originally Posted by delreyjones View Post


    I'm confused. I understand that to some people, Flash and multi-tasking and the ability to load any application you want are very important features. Apple thinks they're not so important for their mobile devices, and I agree. You guys are free to disagree as vehemently as you like, but I'm confused as to why you choose to spend so much of your time on Apple sites ranting about your frustrations, sharing your hostilities. Just go out, buy and enjoy the competing products that you prefer. That's perfectly okay by me!



    yeah :-)



    I dont like the HP slate . I dont think I will waste my time on the HP forums bitching and moaning about fanbois, because, well, I dont have to buy the HP Slate.



    How sad the anti-Applers are. It would not be surprising for a Keynote by a company to be avidly followed by it's fans, but whenever have the anti-fans tuned into to something like this.Judging by the general forums the world is crawling with anti-Apple heads chokin uo the internet whenever Jobs speaks. Get a life.



    I remember Macworld when only people who bought Macs cared - and not everybody was happy necessarily - but it sorta made sense that the people who care about a product watch an industrial trade event, and the people who dont dont.
  • Reply 124 of 428
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh the fanboys are out already I see.



    I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.



    The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform. People accept limitations on smart phones because they are tiny and underpowered, but on a laptop/netbook type system, no chance. It's either open or not worth considering for a second.



    Apple should have just sold it as a Kindle competitor (although not of course outside the US, where Apple will not sell ebooks at all). By going after the netbook market all the do is illustrate how incredibly primative and limited the iPad is. My first computer ever (a Commodore 64) was more open than an iPad.



    Why is it a worrying step? If the netbook is so wanted and needed by so many people, it will more than survive.



    Apple is offering another alternative, another paradigm that doesn't exist today. There's a whole class of people that really don't need to have two or more applications running at once, that aren't interested in playing cheap Internet games by pushing a-s-d or j-k-l keys on a keyboard when they can be playing games crafted especially to take advantage of the hardware, and that aren't interested in getting apps from all over the place and learning how to install and uninstall apps (when compared to one-touch install and one-touch delete of over 140K apps in a store that is one touch away).



    Apple is looking for those people who have been ignored and neglected by the all computer makers to date. You're not one of them - there are lots of companies already trying to sell to you, and Apple doesn't have to be one of them.



    Go to them, they've been waiting for you for years. If you won't, then it'll certainly be worrying for them.
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    ivladivlad Posts: 739member
    rather than making a such product on their own, all these companies do is just complain and laugh. Well same thing happened with iPhone. Millions iPhones later Nokia is crying that someone might have took their idea.



    Agg give me a break. Microsoft should't be even allowed in the room. Go make some Games or some Keyboards.
  • Reply 126 of 428
    Fair comments I think. If Steve wants to use a statistic of revenue to claim a title why shouldn't nokia point out they still sell more units. Microsoft pointing out the whole closed system is also valid. Let's face it the device is just a big iPod touch. Same framework and same apps just different skins.



    It really does just have one good reason to get one and that's safari. As soon as another mobile browser matchs that then that's when people will get windows 7 tablets instead of this.



    The thing I really don't get though is why people think it's fine to not have silverlight. For a multitouch device, the one thing silverlight does which html5 doesn't is multitouch. Wouldn't you want that? Obviously apple don't want it on there ad every app on the iPhone could be written in it at the same quality and therefore bypas the app store. But as a consumer don't you want multitouch websites when you have a multitouch tablet?
  • Reply 127 of 428
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    When your primary use is porn it is.



    I don't believe it was designed for that kind of usage. It looks like you'll need both hands to hold the iPad.
  • Reply 128 of 428
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
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    Originally Posted by rrabu View Post


    Such is the way of the world.

    I'm upset enough that I can't customize my other appliances. Stupid GPS interface in my car; the configuration of controls and what is/isn't remembered between uses on my kitchen stove, washing machine and dryer; don't get me started on my dumbphone (both cell and house with ridiculous address book systems, caller id, and voicemail interfaces)....



    kotatsu will certainly find it a worrying step when Apple starts selling those other things, they'll all have just one button (ON) and they'll all be locked down into the Applehead World. Buy one and you'll have to buy all of them from Apple!!!!
  • Reply 129 of 428
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    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Even if that were true in theory, it certainly isn't true in practice. Much of the web depends on flash. Want to watch a video online? That'll be flash. Want to play a game online? That'll be flash. Want to play Farmville? (which if you hadn't noticed, a LOT of people do) That'll be flash.



    Flash is EVERYWHERE online. It's not going away anytime soon. Apple need to stop their petty argument with Adobe and accept the total dominance of flash.



    Everywhere you go.... geeezzzz why do people like you always think their the majority.
  • Reply 130 of 428
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    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    Analytics is just a fancy word for spying on people and I have methods in place to block them, something I wouldn't have with a locked device like a iPad.



    Trying to scare me? Think I got something to hide because I value my privacy?



    When was the last time you masturbated? Please tell us all. It's just analytics!



    Yea, I thought so. Your quick to forget something you take for granted.



    There is a nice PDF floating around that describes the security and privacy issues with the iPhone/Apps. You might find it in the AI iPhone forum. I won't provide a link, because you wouldn't believe it anyway.







    First of all... why do you care about my sex life and what does it have to do with the Ipad? Would you or Apple like to know that I had sex with my wife this morning? Would Apple care that you are taking Viagra? You are arguing using hyperbole and gross exaggeration, couched in uncertainty, misinformation and and paranoid assumptions.



    I don't think you have anything to hide nor am I trying to "scare" you, but I am trying to prove a point; there are so many other ways of profiling individuals already in place for about 60 years, there is no way of escaping it and calling Apple spies is absurd. If Apple could scan our address books then they would loose their consumers trust big time.



    You might want to take a look at the cases that surround companies like Google. They have refused to share data with the FBI, NSA and the CIA several times and it has stood up in court.



    Personal information cannot be used for "clandestine" ventures without ruining a companies reputation. You are seriously paranoid, but please link the Doc to which you refer that proves Apple is spying on us. despite your assumptions and slander I enjoy reading and I'm more than willing to admit I am wrong and start the class action lawsuit with you. I can even front the cash to get a lawyer started.



    You're paranoia obviously stems from the fact that you have no faith in America or its citizens and little belief in your own strength to keep the world a happy place for us all. No matter the size of the corporation or the power of the government the American people have the control, but obviously you feel like you are not in control of your life and displacing that feeling in the form of paranoid rhetoric and fantasies of global conspiracy.



    If it exists (and I agree it may) it would be a very short live unsuccessful venture. Take a look back through history and you'll see how well totalitarianism and fascism have been received.
  • Reply 131 of 428
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    Originally Posted by voodooru View Post


    not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.



    as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.



    I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.



    But you knew that wasn't going to be the case.
  • Reply 132 of 428
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    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?



    Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.



    Yes I would. In a minute.
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    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,524member
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    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post




    That's not the information I'm talking about, it goes beyond that, gleaming Address Book info and other things.



    Gleaning Address Book info bothers you, yet you seem to be peeved that Apple has not approved the Google Voice App. Nobody will ever accuse you of being consistent.
  • Reply 134 of 428
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    Originally Posted by DoubleA View Post


    I don't believe it was designed for that kind of usage. It looks like you'll need both hands to hold the iPad.



    An arm to hold your iPad at any angle will probably be one of the best selling accessories.
  • Reply 135 of 428
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
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    Originally Posted by karmadave View Post


    Since my son got his iPod Touch, he's not used his Nintendo DS once. Nintendo knows that these types of devices are hurting their business model of selling $30 games. Fortunately, for Nintendo, they control the Mario Brothers franchise so if you want these games it has to be an a DS or Wii (he still plays Wii).



    Same here. He asked me to sell all his DS games so he could get some more money to buy App Store games. (He still plays Wii too).
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    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,743member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?



    Hell yes.
  • Reply 137 of 428
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    Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post


    People will get used to the name, and the childish ones who are calling it all sorts of things will eventually let it go, especially if it turns out to be popular and good.



    Apple also sells the device around the world and they needed a name that would be world-wide and easy to catch.



    Who on earth would dream in 70's that any new computer company would start with a fruits name "Apple" for a personal computer. We got used to it and would have also gotten used to it even if they had called it" Mango" computer or "pomagranate" computer or whatever when the functionality is the best. You People...you just quit complaining about the name and enjoy the functions of the Mac-Apple products.
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    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,743member
    Gruber's take on the MS reaction:



    Microsoft Reaction to iPad

    David Worthington interviews Brandon Watson, ?director of product management in the developer platform at Microsoft?:



    Watson claimed that many developers of applications for the iPhone OS?which the iPad uses?are not making money. Developing applications for the iPhone and iPad is expensive, he said, because iPhone OS uses the Objective-C language rather than Microsoft?s more pervasive .NET platform. And Apple?s control over the platform has alienated some people that make software for its products, he said.



    Yes, there is much jealousy from iPhone developers at the sacks full of money being made by Zune and Windows Mobile app developers.



    ----



    Spot-on.
  • Reply 139 of 428
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    Originally Posted by mark2005 View Post


    For the record:

    2.758B - revenue from Macbooks

    3.391B - revenue from iPods

    5.578B - revenue from iPhones (not including deferred)

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    11.747B in USD; converted to euros = 8.46B > 8.18B

    and that's excluding App Store sales, since Apple doesn't split apps/media sold to the iPhone/iPod touch from media (songs/videos) sold to the desktop. Add that in and its 9.3B.






    First excellent post of this thread, one that actually addresses the story. Yes, SJ was specifically referring to all of Apple's products that offer the attribute of 'mobility', i.e., iPods, iPhones, and laptops. The fact that Nokia could not/did not understand that says a lot.



    Incidentally, don't forget that Nokia itself is now a computer maker (except, it must really rankle that no one noticed, and no one has been buying).
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    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?



    Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.



    Why would Apple do that? That's a Mac. Didn't you see Steve Jobs' slide that shows three classes: iPhone, iPad, and Mac. They're different things that exist alongside each other because there are different types of people, and a person is willing to have different things.



    Just because a car company started building minivans didn't mean that they were going to turn all their cars into minivans. Just because I bought a minivan didn't mean I wouldn't be willing to also have a car and a pickup truck.
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