this may sound dumb but i know nothing about the topic:
It's by no means the topic. Spammer has posted some photoshop crap. And folks have got started with discussing that rendition because the real OP is neither credible nor fun anyway.
Would please list the Country of Origin for Apple suppliers. I would be interested in knowing what is made in the People's Republic of China as opposed to Taiwan, National China or other countries.
apple began selling the 3G S last June, right? how long before sales began did it announce that new model? what was the lead time on the earlier models?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple might announce the next iPhone model.
Also, after announced the first iPhone (jan at MWSF) how long was it before it began taking orders for that device, which was released in June IIRC?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple will begin taking orders for the iPad.
apple began selling the 3G S last June, right? how long before sales began did it announce that new model? what was the lead time on the earlier models?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple might announce the next iPhone model.
Also, after announced the first iPhone (jan at MWSF) how long was it before it began taking orders for that device, which was released in June IIRC?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple will begin taking orders for the iPad.
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
January 9, 2007 ? iPhone introduced
June 3, 2007 ? Apple announced iPhone release date
June 27, 2007 ? iPhone released
March 6, 2008 ? Apple demos iPhone OS v2.0
June 9, 2008 ? Apple demos iPhone 3G
July 11, 2008 ? iPhone 3G released / iPhone OS v2.0 released
this may sound dumb but i know nothing about the topic:
cant apple place the antenna towards the front of the device, the black strips on the top and bottom? does the glass interfere with the signal or something?
if its possible then apple should go with something smilar to the mock up
if its not possible then give it a macbook-material-like finish in white or black, or paint it to look like alum
Sure, Apple could break up the glass front with some plastic which would A.) make it look uglier, B.) compromise the overall strength of the front, and C.) zap more cellular radiation into your head.
The problem with the mockup is that it is out of touch with reality. Smartphone components take up room. Things like a good autofocus camera part don't fit in the space of a couple of millimeters. Also, you need room for an adequate battery. How iPhone owners wouldn't like more battery life?
I've never seen painted plastic parts in consumer electronics that didn't flake off and look sucky.
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
January 9, 2007 — iPhone introduced
June 3, 2007 — Apple announced iPhone release date
June 27, 2007 — iPhone released
March 6, 2008 — Apple demos iPhone OS v2.0
June 9, 2008 — Apple demos iPhone 3G
July 11, 2008 — iPhone 3G released / iPhone OS v2.0 released
March 17, 2009 — Apple demos iPhone OS v3.0
June 8, 2009 — Apple demos iPhone 3GS
June 17, 2009— iPhone OS v3.0 released
June 19, 2009 — iPhone 3GS released
thanks, solipsism, you're always a great source for info.
So the 3G and 3G S were demo'd only weeks before release? Did apple begin taking orders after the announcement and prior to release, or only starting on the release date? (i THINK i recall ordering the first phone in advance, but maybe not)
when do you think apple will start taking orders for iPad, if it's available late march (wi-fi) and april (3G)? Or might it not take advance orders and just start selling on the release date? I'd think they'd see a biz advantage in being able to tout x 100s of k's presold, if that were the case.
thanks, solipsism, you're always a great source for info.
So the 3G and 3G S were demo'd only weeks before release? Did apple begin taking orders after the announcement and prior to release, or only starting on the release date? (i THINK i recall ordering the first phone in advance, but maybe not)
when do you think apple will start taking orders for iPad, if it's available late march (wi-fi) and april (3G)? Or might it not take advance orders and just start selling on the release date? I'd think they'd see a biz advantage in being able to tout x 100s of k's presold, if that were the case.
I know some countries took pre-orders, but I can't recall if Apple or AT&T did for any of the iPhone releases.
Despite only being weeks away they didn't give a date for the release. That, along with a lot of incidental evidence during the event, makes me think there are some internal issues with the iPad that aren't being fully disclosed. I wouldn't be surprised if the release was pushed back until April. Apple has missed self imposed deadlines before.
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
Just added some info to the list. According to this article, WWDC might be in late June this year, and the next iPhone will probably be announced then.
I was hoping it would come out earlier as I am eager to get one, but I shouldn't count too much on that.
Just added some info to the list. According to this article, WWDC might be in late June this year, and the next iPhone will probably be announced then.
I was hoping it would come out earlier as I am eager to get one, but I shouldn't count too much on that.
Good additions.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
I was giving the iPhone OS 4.0 a fifty-fifty chance of being demoed last week, but in hindsight, I think I understand why it was not mentioned.
It makes sense for Apple to give the developers time to rework their apps for the iPad with the existing 3.x SDK before trying to introduce major new functionality with the 4.0 SDK. By keeping attention focused on SDK 3.2 for the iPad, Apple can drive development of existing and new apps so there are a plethora of apps that will work well at the iPad's launch in a month's time, rather than iPhone apps that are simply scaled up.
Once the iPad ships, then Apple can demo iPhone OS 4.0.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
Realistically, it was never likely or even possible to see iPhone 4.0 last week. I realized that because there simply wasn't enough time in one event, nor was there any emergency reason to rush the next iPhoneOS update. But like most, I still had it in the back of my mind. Now in hindsight it's easy to say these things, but it made just as much sense before. Also, with the release timeframe of the iPad, many have pointed out that it will likely match up with a March Apple Event to unveil iPhoneOS 4.0 (which will include new features to be found on the iPad when 4.0 hits later this summer). iPad will launch over the course of a few weeks, and everyone will be giddy to death. Not only will a great product be out, but only 2-3 months away from a major update and yet another piece of awesome new hardware (iPhone 4).
March->April->June is going to be an exciting time.
Realistically, it was never likely or even possible to see iPhone 4.0 last week. I realized that because there simply wasn't enough time in one event, nor was there any emergency reason to rush the next iPhoneOS update. But like most, I still had it in the back of my mind. Now in hindsight it's easy to say these things, but it made just as much sense before.
There were many, myself included, who feel that the increase in Android sales and mindshare meant that Apple couldn't wait a full year to continue with the rich Phone OS updates. That felt that v4.0 would have been demoed before the iPad and been out for release with the 4th iPhone HW in March-April.
As for realistically, I don't think it's impossible that the iPad OS isn't based more off 4.0 than 3.0, but is using the 3.2 SDK as to reveal anything about the next OS before its time.
There were many, myself included, who feel that the increase in Android sales and mindshare meant that Apple couldn't wait a full year to continue with the rich Phone OS updates. That felt that v4.0 would have been demoed before the iPad and been out for release with the 4th iPhone HW in March-April.
As for realistically,I don't think it's impossible that the iPad OS isn't based more off 4.0 than 3.0, but is using the 3.2 SDK as to reveal anything about the next OS before its time.
Something like that. I don't think Apple is at all concerned about competition for the iPhone. That is, if they stick to their 4-year-running refresh timeline, it will indicate that they have no desire to "get ahead" of the market by releasing the new iPhone sooner rather than "later", a.k.a. on schedule. They might be able to do that by simply being better than the rest with hardware and software in June. I'm not certain that an early release would have any significant benefit to them.
As someone who has purchased each iPhone at its June/July launch, I'm once again upgrade eligible for a full discount on 6/29/2010. I'm not sure if this yearly eligibility has anything to with the iPhone specifically, but nobody else I know has seen this type of offer inside a 2 year contract.
I think AT&T has finally figured out that with popular hardware, it makes sense to subsidize new handsets every year, and extend the customers contract another 2 years. A 2 year contract is great value for AT&T, but getting customers to re-sign that agreement every year, is brilliant. Yes AT&T loses a few hundred dollars over 3 years compared to only offering a subsidy every 2 years, but they are not actually losing money at all, so it works out for them.
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this may sound dumb but i know nothing about the topic:
It's by no means the topic.
Would please list the Country of Origin for Apple suppliers. I would be interested in knowing what is made in the People's Republic of China as opposed to Taiwan, National China or other countries.
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple might announce the next iPhone model.
Also, after announced the first iPhone (jan at MWSF) how long was it before it began taking orders for that device, which was released in June IIRC?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple will begin taking orders for the iPad.
apple began selling the 3G S last June, right? how long before sales began did it announce that new model? what was the lead time on the earlier models?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple might announce the next iPhone model.
Also, after announced the first iPhone (jan at MWSF) how long was it before it began taking orders for that device, which was released in June IIRC?
I'm figuring that info would give us an idea when apple will begin taking orders for the iPad.
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
this may sound dumb but i know nothing about the topic:
cant apple place the antenna towards the front of the device, the black strips on the top and bottom? does the glass interfere with the signal or something?
if its possible then apple should go with something smilar to the mock up
if its not possible then give it a macbook-material-like finish in white or black, or paint it to look like alum
Sure, Apple could break up the glass front with some plastic which would A.) make it look uglier, B.) compromise the overall strength of the front, and C.) zap more cellular radiation into your head.
The problem with the mockup is that it is out of touch with reality. Smartphone components take up room. Things like a good autofocus camera part don't fit in the space of a couple of millimeters. Also, you need room for an adequate battery. How iPhone owners wouldn't like more battery life?
I've never seen painted plastic parts in consumer electronics that didn't flake off and look sucky.
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
thanks, solipsism, you're always a great source for info.
So the 3G and 3G S were demo'd only weeks before release? Did apple begin taking orders after the announcement and prior to release, or only starting on the release date? (i THINK i recall ordering the first phone in advance, but maybe not)
when do you think apple will start taking orders for iPad, if it's available late march (wi-fi) and april (3G)? Or might it not take advance orders and just start selling on the release date? I'd think they'd see a biz advantage in being able to tout x 100s of k's presold, if that were the case.
thanks, solipsism, you're always a great source for info.
So the 3G and 3G S were demo'd only weeks before release? Did apple begin taking orders after the announcement and prior to release, or only starting on the release date? (i THINK i recall ordering the first phone in advance, but maybe not)
when do you think apple will start taking orders for iPad, if it's available late march (wi-fi) and april (3G)? Or might it not take advance orders and just start selling on the release date? I'd think they'd see a biz advantage in being able to tout x 100s of k's presold, if that were the case.
I know some countries took pre-orders, but I can't recall if Apple or AT&T did for any of the iPhone releases.
Despite only being weeks away they didn't give a date for the release. That, along with a lot of incidental evidence during the event, makes me think there are some internal issues with the iPad that aren't being fully disclosed. I wouldn't be surprised if the release was pushed back until April. Apple has missed self imposed deadlines before.
Interesting, Foxconn currently makes almost all of Apple products, I wonder what changed their minds?
I give up.
Money?
Last year the time between HW demo and release date were short. We should still expect a few months between the iPhone OS 4.0 demo and SDK release. Devs need time for that.
Just added some info to the list. According to this article, WWDC might be in late June this year, and the next iPhone will probably be announced then.
I was hoping it would come out earlier as I am eager to get one, but I shouldn't count too much on that.
Just added some info to the list. According to this article, WWDC might be in late June this year, and the next iPhone will probably be announced then.
I was hoping it would come out earlier as I am eager to get one, but I shouldn't count too much on that.
Good additions.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
I was giving the iPhone OS 4.0 a fifty-fifty chance of being demoed last week, but in hindsight, I think I understand why it was not mentioned.
It makes sense for Apple to give the developers time to rework their apps for the iPad with the existing 3.x SDK before trying to introduce major new functionality with the 4.0 SDK. By keeping attention focused on SDK 3.2 for the iPad, Apple can drive development of existing and new apps so there are a plethora of apps that will work well at the iPad's launch in a month's time, rather than iPhone apps that are simply scaled up.
Once the iPad ships, then Apple can demo iPhone OS 4.0.
It's a mock up. The author said they used images of the iPad and interpolated what a unibody iPhone might look like.
Which is hopefully exactly what Apple is doing.
Good additions.
I thought iPhone OS v4.0 would have demoed at event last week. The competition is catching up in many ways, including mindshare. I have to wonder if they originally intended to do that but somewhere along the way couldn't which is why the iPad is said to be running v3.2 and has an SDK to reflect that. I have to wonder if the iPad won't be released until after the v4.0 demo and SDK release so the OS can be based on many aspect of v4.0 but still not tip off devs with the SDK in the mean time.
Realistically, it was never likely or even possible to see iPhone 4.0 last week. I realized that because there simply wasn't enough time in one event, nor was there any emergency reason to rush the next iPhoneOS update. But like most, I still had it in the back of my mind. Now in hindsight it's easy to say these things, but it made just as much sense before. Also, with the release timeframe of the iPad, many have pointed out that it will likely match up with a March Apple Event to unveil iPhoneOS 4.0 (which will include new features to be found on the iPad when 4.0 hits later this summer). iPad will launch over the course of a few weeks, and everyone will be giddy to death. Not only will a great product be out, but only 2-3 months away from a major update and yet another piece of awesome new hardware (iPhone 4).
March->April->June is going to be an exciting time.
There are some pictures of a probable iPhone V4 !
I like the matte black border. Much better than the shinny black (which is actually glass)
Realistically, it was never likely or even possible to see iPhone 4.0 last week. I realized that because there simply wasn't enough time in one event, nor was there any emergency reason to rush the next iPhoneOS update. But like most, I still had it in the back of my mind. Now in hindsight it's easy to say these things, but it made just as much sense before.
There were many, myself included, who feel that the increase in Android sales and mindshare meant that Apple couldn't wait a full year to continue with the rich Phone OS updates. That felt that v4.0 would have been demoed before the iPad and been out for release with the 4th iPhone HW in March-April.
As for realistically, I don't think it's impossible that the iPad OS isn't based more off 4.0 than 3.0, but is using the 3.2 SDK as to reveal anything about the next OS before its time.
There were many, myself included, who feel that the increase in Android sales and mindshare meant that Apple couldn't wait a full year to continue with the rich Phone OS updates. That felt that v4.0 would have been demoed before the iPad and been out for release with the 4th iPhone HW in March-April.
As for realistically,I don't think it's impossible that the iPad OS isn't based more off 4.0 than 3.0, but is using the 3.2 SDK as to reveal anything about the next OS before its time.
Something like that. I don't think Apple is at all concerned about competition for the iPhone. That is, if they stick to their 4-year-running refresh timeline, it will indicate that they have no desire to "get ahead" of the market by releasing the new iPhone sooner rather than "later", a.k.a. on schedule. They might be able to do that by simply being better than the rest with hardware and software in June. I'm not certain that an early release would have any significant benefit to them.
As someone who has purchased each iPhone at its June/July launch, I'm once again upgrade eligible for a full discount on 6/29/2010. I'm not sure if this yearly eligibility has anything to with the iPhone specifically, but nobody else I know has seen this type of offer inside a 2 year contract.
I think AT&T has finally figured out that with popular hardware, it makes sense to subsidize new handsets every year, and extend the customers contract another 2 years. A 2 year contract is great value for AT&T, but getting customers to re-sign that agreement every year, is brilliant. Yes AT&T loses a few hundred dollars over 3 years compared to only offering a subsidy every 2 years, but they are not actually losing money at all, so it works out for them.