I've hated flash for years, making websites heavy. I hope Flash dies after HTML5 implementation and i hope Apple's standing on the matter accelerates that change
Why don't we just spare everyone any and all political commentary.
Are you the "Thought Police"? Where did his post go anyway?? Censored!?!? Just because his point was emphasized by a miniscule reference to current political issues? Please.
Regarding the article, Adobe simply needs to innovate Flash... both in the runtime environment as well as the developer tools. It's always been one of the most difficult and unintuitive programs out there. They won't continue to have 90%+ market-share, but can still co-exist with HTML5. What they should really do is make Flash easier to use/more intuitive and then enable it to create HTML5 files. Make Flash the premier tool for creating interactive web graphics.
It does if you think (ie. use your brain). FIX THE PROCESS. Stop Adobe from being able to do this! It's not as if asking them to stop is going to work, so remove their ability to do so (which never should have existed in the first place.) Duh?
Fix the process AND denounce Adobe. Morally wrong is morally wrong. Abusing the process to promote Flash deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.
Are you the "Thought Police"? Where did his post go anyway?? Censored!?!? Just because his point was emphasized by a miniscule reference to current political issues? Please.
Political crap belongs in the PoliticalOutsider forum. Period. Where it belongs. Where it has special rules for all the people who want to constantly rant and rave about politics and devolve every intelligent disagreement into which political party is responsible for the impending end of the world. <sheesh>
You (and everyone else) agreed to this in the AI ToS. Abide by the agreement or GTFO and start your own board. The rest of us appreciate that Jeff and company do a good job of keeping that crap out of the main discussions.
Never forget that freedom of the press means you can buy and operate your own press (or forum or blog or bulletin board), and that censorship refers to government actions preventing you from self-publishing your work. Neither of which is happening here.
To the Adobe slammers on this thread: you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes, let out only on the blatantly false premises of this article written by one of your ilk.
So, in your words: "you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes" (which OBTW is a personal attack).
But you can only reply with someone else's response? Where is your independent and original thought? All you did was to reply with someone else's viewpoint. How does that make you different than the "unthinking herd" you just criticized?
Right. All Joe Shmoe will care about is "WTF!? I just spent over $800 on this damn thing and it won't work on lots of my favorite websites!?"
Well, not quite yet. They power the majority of web video. Maybe someday it will be different, and the 'Pad will be a viable surfing device that the average Shmoe is satisfied with. In the meantime, expect the wrath to be directed at the expensive device. Nobody cares about flash. Instead, they want devices that just work.
Right, you are. Flash has long demonstrated that it doesn't work. And since technology advances exponentially, not incrementally, we'll the death of Flash far sooner than it took for it to amass sheer total dominance. Give it a short while. Apple is leaning heavy against and with Google being a powerhouse (perhaps more so than Apple itself here, as they firmly embrace open platforms), I'd say Adobe should truly be worried. If they aren't then they have about as much brains as I give them credit having.
At any rate, I've been running without Flash for about two weeks now, and love it. YouTube videos coming in in HTML5, just fabulous. No more annoying ads or invasive marketing campaigns. If this is the future, then I'm hella on board!
Frankly, the future of software is in open source. Let people who love to code contribute and create products that better everyone's lives. The wisest thing Apple did was use the Unix foundation in their OS. And they keep with that standard in Webkit. It doesn't mean everything needs to go OSS, but when a piece of software becomes ubiquitous, it probably should be opened up and allowed to progress on it's own volition. It just makes more sense and ensures a better use of the technology.
I hate flash because it is buggy and it is slow even on wicked fast machines. Sometimes I get an error window that lists about two dozen concurrent flash errors. HTML5 and Canvas are very exciting. I went through the list of Canvas examples that another poster suggested and not one error and very snappy performance.
I've never personally liked Flash... at least the annoying Flash ads. And after reading about Apple (Jobs) and Flash, I sold my Adobe stock that I've accumulated for the past ten years.
I think it will end badly for Flash. Hey, at least Adobe got Dreamweaver out of the Macromedia deal.
Note to Adobe: don't block new technology (HTML5). We don't like that.
Note to animation makers... I don't like flashing, irritating ads.
However, once you start to dig deeper, you soon realise that Daniel's articles are very misleading. Data is cherry-picked. Facts are twisted. Only one side of the story is ever reported. Daniel's articles wouldn't even be allowed on Engadget, let alone the real press.
The fact that he owns APPL stock and writes very pro-Apple articles should set the alarm bells off in your head at the very least.
I agree. If you are an stock owner in a company and you write articles that continually pump them, your stock ownership needs to be disclosed every time you post.
Quote from Update: "Masinter also added, "There are some things that are wrong with the spec I'd like to see fixed. There are some things that are really, really, wrong with the process that I'd like to improve." "
I don't take much comfort from these comments. These "fixes" and "improvements" could take years if they play their cards right.
Quote from Update: "Masinter also added, "There are some things that are wrong with the spec I'd like to see fixed. There are some things that are really, really, wrong with the process that I'd like to improve." "
I don't take much comfort from these comments. These "fixes" and "improvements" could take years if they play their cards right.
Don't worry, HTML5 isn't expected to fully become a standard until 2022 anyway.
To the Adobe slammers on this thread: you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes, let out only on the blatantly false premises of this article written by one of your ilk.
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
Exactly my thoughts. He basically came up and said, "no we aren't." No evidence. No correction. No clarification. Left me wanting more that's for sure... but I'm just a lay person when it comes to implementing new standards... what the hell do I know...
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
I'm a Software Analyst/Trainer here in NYC and i remember when I worked at Y&R advertising in NY back in 1999/2000/2001 when Adumbe decided that they would leave the Mac crowd behind on the Photoshop releases because Windoze users were more important (financially speaking probably) so they would always release a PC Windoze version with all the bells and whistles and make US Apple Mac users wait until the next version release to get what the PC crowd was getting first, never mind that the entire creative dept at the Ad agency i worked at and probably ALL the Ad agencies creative dept's use MAC's for creating ads and magazines but Adumbe just left the Macs out in the cold and now they are paying for it APPLE is single handily KILLING FLASH by not using it on the iphone or on the ipad and now HTML5 with be non-FLASH dependent... serves them RIGHT!!!! can't wait until APPLE makes a PHOTOSHOP KILLER!!!! dammit a CS5/CS6/CS7/CS8 KILLER TOO... screw adobe- they tried to KILL FLASH in its origins remember?? (boy how soon we forget!!) when FLASH PAPER came out and was going to replace ADOBE ACROBAT as a better alternative to Adobe's PDF reader- and when Macromedia had SHOCKWAVE and DREAMWEAVER was making in roads and taking market share away from PAGEMAKER-- so Adumbe just decided to BUY OUT MACROMEDIA then kill FLASH PAPER well I cannot wait until APPLE and THE INTERNET KILLS FLASH....AND ADUMBE
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Why don't we just spare everyone any and all political commentary.
Are you the "Thought Police"? Where did his post go anyway?? Censored!?!? Just because his point was emphasized by a miniscule reference to current political issues? Please.
Regarding the article, Adobe simply needs to innovate Flash... both in the runtime environment as well as the developer tools. It's always been one of the most difficult and unintuitive programs out there. They won't continue to have 90%+ market-share, but can still co-exist with HTML5. What they should really do is make Flash easier to use/more intuitive and then enable it to create HTML5 files. Make Flash the premier tool for creating interactive web graphics.
It does if you think (ie. use your brain). FIX THE PROCESS. Stop Adobe from being able to do this! It's not as if asking them to stop is going to work, so remove their ability to do so (which never should have existed in the first place.) Duh?
Fix the process AND denounce Adobe. Morally wrong is morally wrong. Abusing the process to promote Flash deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.
Are you the "Thought Police"? Where did his post go anyway?? Censored!?!? Just because his point was emphasized by a miniscule reference to current political issues? Please.
Political crap belongs in the PoliticalOutsider forum. Period. Where it belongs. Where it has special rules for all the people who want to constantly rant and rave about politics and devolve every intelligent disagreement into which political party is responsible for the impending end of the world.
You (and everyone else) agreed to this in the AI ToS. Abide by the agreement or GTFO and start your own board. The rest of us appreciate that Jeff and company do a good job of keeping that crap out of the main discussions.
Never forget that freedom of the press means you can buy and operate your own press (or forum or blog or bulletin board), and that censorship refers to government actions preventing you from self-publishing your work. Neither of which is happening here.
To the Adobe slammers on this thread: you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes, let out only on the blatantly false premises of this article written by one of your ilk.
To the rest of you: read John Nack's response on his blog: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02...ing_html5.html
So, in your words: "you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes" (which OBTW is a personal attack).
But you can only reply with someone else's response? Where is your independent and original thought? All you did was to reply with someone else's viewpoint. How does that make you different than the "unthinking herd" you just criticized?
Right. All Joe Shmoe will care about is "WTF!? I just spent over $800 on this damn thing and it won't work on lots of my favorite websites!?"
Well, not quite yet. They power the majority of web video. Maybe someday it will be different, and the 'Pad will be a viable surfing device that the average Shmoe is satisfied with. In the meantime, expect the wrath to be directed at the expensive device. Nobody cares about flash. Instead, they want devices that just work.
Right, you are. Flash has long demonstrated that it doesn't work. And since technology advances exponentially, not incrementally, we'll the death of Flash far sooner than it took for it to amass sheer total dominance. Give it a short while. Apple is leaning heavy against and with Google being a powerhouse (perhaps more so than Apple itself here, as they firmly embrace open platforms), I'd say Adobe should truly be worried. If they aren't then they have about as much brains as I give them credit having.
At any rate, I've been running without Flash for about two weeks now, and love it. YouTube videos coming in in HTML5, just fabulous. No more annoying ads or invasive marketing campaigns. If this is the future, then I'm hella on board!
Frankly, the future of software is in open source. Let people who love to code contribute and create products that better everyone's lives. The wisest thing Apple did was use the Unix foundation in their OS. And they keep with that standard in Webkit. It doesn't mean everything needs to go OSS, but when a piece of software becomes ubiquitous, it probably should be opened up and allowed to progress on it's own volition. It just makes more sense and ensures a better use of the technology.
I hate flash because it is buggy and it is slow even on wicked fast machines.
Until several weeks ago I used a P4 machine running XP. I had no such experience with Flash.
Maybe you mean it is slow on Macs.
I think it will end badly for Flash. Hey, at least Adobe got Dreamweaver out of the Macromedia deal.
Note to Adobe: don't block new technology (HTML5). We don't like that.
Note to animation makers... I don't like flashing, irritating ads.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02...ing_html5.html
Most of this article, "Adobe working to sabotage HTML5," are by and large completely false.
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To the untrained eye, yes they are.
However, once you start to dig deeper, you soon realise that Daniel's articles are very misleading. Data is cherry-picked. Facts are twisted. Only one side of the story is ever reported. Daniel's articles wouldn't even be allowed on Engadget, let alone the real press.
The fact that he owns APPL stock and writes very pro-Apple articles should set the alarm bells off in your head at the very least.
I agree. If you are an stock owner in a company and you write articles that continually pump them, your stock ownership needs to be disclosed every time you post.
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But we hate Microsoft and Adobe! And Dell!
And pickles... especially pickles!
I don't take much comfort from these comments. These "fixes" and "improvements" could take years if they play their cards right.
Quote from Update: "Masinter also added, "There are some things that are wrong with the spec I'd like to see fixed. There are some things that are really, really, wrong with the process that I'd like to improve." "
I don't take much comfort from these comments. These "fixes" and "improvements" could take years if they play their cards right.
Don't worry, HTML5 isn't expected to fully become a standard until 2022 anyway.
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When...be_finished.3F
Don't worry, HTML5 isn't expected to fully become a standard until 2022 anyway.
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When...be_finished.3F
That timeframe is irrelevant.
To the Adobe slammers on this thread: you fools are a bunch of mindless miscreants delighted to be let out of your cages for a few minutes, let out only on the blatantly false premises of this article written by one of your ilk.
To the rest of you: read John Nack's response on his blog: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02...ing_html5.html
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
Exactly my thoughts. He basically came up and said, "no we aren't." No evidence. No correction. No clarification. Left me wanting more that's for sure... but I'm just a lay person when it comes to implementing new standards... what the hell do I know...
You call a blogger quoting two posts from this thread a response? Summary of a couple points maybe, but nothing there that constitutes new information needed for it to be a response.
I'm a Software Analyst/Trainer here in NYC and i remember when I worked at Y&R advertising in NY back in 1999/2000/2001 when Adumbe decided that they would leave the Mac crowd behind on the Photoshop releases because Windoze users were more important (financially speaking probably) so they would always release a PC Windoze version with all the bells and whistles and make US Apple Mac users wait until the next version release to get what the PC crowd was getting first, never mind that the entire creative dept at the Ad agency i worked at and probably ALL the Ad agencies creative dept's use MAC's for creating ads and magazines but Adumbe just left the Macs out in the cold and now they are paying for it APPLE is single handily KILLING FLASH by not using it on the iphone or on the ipad and now HTML5 with be non-FLASH dependent... serves them RIGHT!!!! can't wait until APPLE makes a PHOTOSHOP KILLER!!!! dammit a CS5/CS6/CS7/CS8 KILLER TOO... screw adobe- they tried to KILL FLASH in its origins remember?? (boy how soon we forget!!) when FLASH PAPER came out and was going to replace ADOBE ACROBAT as a better alternative to Adobe's PDF reader- and when Macromedia had SHOCKWAVE and DREAMWEAVER was making in roads and taking market share away from PAGEMAKER-- so Adumbe just decided to BUY OUT MACROMEDIA then kill FLASH PAPER well I cannot wait until APPLE and THE INTERNET KILLS FLASH....AND ADUMBE
ADUMBE
You may well be right in your ranting, but stuff like this doesn't help your case. Really.