Sources offer peek at Adobe Creative Suite 5 for Mac

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in Mac Software edited January 2014
The fifth major release of Adobe's Creative Suite package (CS5) for graphic, video and web design professionals will finally see Photoshop for Mac emerge as a 64-bit application while several of suite's other component applications adopt Flash tie-ins aimed at keeping content developers reliant on the company's embattled multimedia platform.



64-bit Photoshop CS5



Slated for shipment this spring, CS5 for Mac will be spearheaded by a version of the market-leading Photoshop graphics editor that's been rewritten in Apple's 64-bit object-oriented Cocoa framework, finally bringing it up to spec with its Windows cousin, which made the jump to 64-bit back in 2008 as part of Creative Suite 4.0 (CS4).*



Adobe had initially planned to deliver Mac users with a 64-bit version of Photoshop alongside the CS4 release, but was forced to delay those efforts until CS5 at the earliest after Apple decided to abort the development of a 64-bit version of Carbon.



The original foundation of Photoshop's modern codebase was written in Carbon, Mac OS X's legacy, 32-bit framework for developing Mac applications. Adobe said it would need at least an extra year to port the interface code of Photoshop and its companion apps to Apple's new 64-bit Cocoa framework, using the same model used for its Lightroom product, in order to deliver a 64-bit app.



As such, the bulk of the Adobe's efforts on Photoshop CS5, which goes by the code-name "White Rabbit," will reportedly come in the flavor of under-the-hood improvements, according to people who are familiar with the latest private betas of CS5 for Mac. The casual Photoshop user won't recognize too much of a difference in the software over the existing version, these people say. Instead, the enhancements will play to designers who work with relatively large files, manipulate 3D objects, and work with video.







The bulk of the other changes within Photoshop CS5 are said to focus on 3D features. Adobe has also reportedly added a retouching capability which makes it easier to remove objects from images.











In its own internal tests, Adobe found the average 64-bit app to run about 8 to 12 percent faster than a 32-bit one. The primary advantage of 64-bit applications is their ability to address very large amounts of memory in excess of the 4GB limit of 32-bit apps.



John Nack, Senior Product Manager for Photoshop applications, wrote that the new 64-bit version "is great for pro photographers with large collections of high-res images," in an April 2008 blog posting. He noted that opening a 3.75 gigapixel image on a 4-core machine with 32GB RAM is about 10x faster in the 64-bit version of Photoshop currently under development than it is on the existing version.



Flash & Dreamweaver CS5



Flash CS5 (codenamed Viper) and Dreamweaver CS5 (codenamed Bowie) both now add code hinting to help users that author in ActionScript, a feature that has long been available in other development software.



With Apple refusing to support Flash as an web plugin runtime on the iPhone, iPod touch and the new iPad, Adobe has initiated a new strategy in trying to maintain relevance for Flash among mobile developers: it now enables its Flash development tool to output native iPhone apps that recycle existing Flash-related assets and scripting in a form that Apple will allow in the iTunes App Store. These native iPhone apps do not require any Flash runtime on the device in order to work.



"This functionality is not working in the current beta versions," people familiar with the *matter tell AppleInsider, adding "we don’t think serious developers will use Flash for creating iPhone applications. It also appears that Adobe continues to miss the boat with HTML 5, and is focused almost exclusively on trying to get users to depend more on Flash – even as the Web development community is looking elsewhere."



InDesign CS5



A new CS5 version of InDesign will also aim to shore up the viability of Flash by encouraging traditional print publishers to enhance their print designs, such as brochures and magazines, with video and animations using Flash. Adobe reportedly hopes this content will be delivered on the web via proprietary Flash files, an approach reminiscent of its arch rival Quark, which attempted to add interactive features to QuarkXPress with a product called Quark Immedia.



When creating a new InDesign CS5 document, users are asked if their document is for print or the web. However, people familiar with the beta software report that, since "Dreamweaver does a better job of laying out pages for the web, we can’t understand why Adobe would then add similar features to InDesign – which lacks any of the features required for managing a Web site."



Web review and Mini Bridge features



Adobe CS5 will also add review capabilities across all its component apps, making it easier to have non-CS5 users review work being done by designers. The review features are an extension of Adobe’s Connect business, which is similar to on-line meetings used by WebEx. Designers can collect feedback on their work from others within a web-conferencing meeting.



Adobe has also create a 'mini-Bridge' within the applications to enable developers to inspect files for placing or editing without leaving the application. "Think of it as a small file browser window," said a person familiar with the new tools.
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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 128
    I'd like to see spine-bleed in InDesign5, A critical feature for designing full-bleed perfect-bound books.
  • Reply 2 of 128
    Does it suck less this time around?
  • Reply 3 of 128
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,720member
    Dupe.
  • Reply 4 of 128
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,720member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    As such, the bulk of the Adobe's efforts on Photoshop CS5, which goes by the code-name "White Rabbit," will reportedly come in the flavor of under-the-hood improvements, according to people who are familiar with the latest private betas of CS5 for Mac. The casual Photoshop user won't recognize too much of a difference in the software over the existing version, these people say. Instead, the enhancements will play to designers who work with relatively large files, manipulate 3D objects, and work with video.



    ...



    The bulk of the other changes within Photoshop CS5 are said to focus on 3D features. Adobe has also reportedly added a retouching capability which makes it easier to remove objects from images.



    Figures.



    I wish Lightroom would get just the pieces of Ps that the average photographer needs instead of trying to sell us both Lr and Ps (or CS Suite). For example, "retouching capability which makes it easier to remove objects from images" should also be in Lr. But that's Adobe in a nutshell, selling you tons of stuff you don't need or want to get the handful of stuff you care about.



    I can't wait to see the Byzantine upgrade processes from a current CS product to the new round of CS bundles...
  • Reply 5 of 128
    I'm feeling bloated already...
  • Reply 6 of 128
    rainrain Posts: 538member
    I wonder what features they will break or hide in this version to confuse us into thinking they actually did something warranting another $1200.

    Guess we will find out in CS 5.5 where they 'reveal' or 'fix' them for a small upgrade fee.
  • Reply 7 of 128
    jabohnjabohn Posts: 532member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Adobe reportedly hopes this content will be delivered on the web via proprietary Flash files, an approach reminiscent of its archival Quark, which attempted to add interactive features to QuarkXPress with a product called Quark Immedia.



    Was that choice of words intentional? Is Adobe going into Quark's archives for new features?



    Or perhaps it should have been arch rival?
  • Reply 8 of 128
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,720member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    InDesign CS5



    Adobe reportedly hopes this content will be delivered on the web via proprietary Flash files, an approach reminiscent of its archival Quark, which attempted to add interactive features to QuarkXPress with a product called Quark Immedia.



    Typo or Freudian slip?



    I think they meant "arch rival"!
  • Reply 9 of 128
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    I skipped CS 4 and hope for the best with CS5. But PLEASE tell me that Flash’s UI is less buggy and quirky and non-standard and MADDENING than every previous version Please?



    (All of Adobe’s apps share that criticism, but Flash is the worst. I fight that UI all day.)



    Adobe was once my standard for software excellence. I wish it would be again!
  • Reply 10 of 128
    I'm interested to see if they have fixed the gazillion little flaws in their user interfaces and the lack of uniformity between their apps (for example the gradient tool for Illustrator and Photoshop are completely different). Will we still have that useless color picker bar in Illustrator? Will it still install like a pseudo-Windows app, with folders (even if it only installs part of an application) and shit?



    And putting emphasis on 3D? Great, in CS5 I suppose we can make not only 3D tophats but also trucker caps and berets.



    Do they listen to their users at all? Users are crying them to fix what is already in there, not adding more half-baked features. I suppose it's hard to sell "like the previous version, except done right this time".
  • Reply 11 of 128
    i'd really like apple to try and take on adobe at some point tho it's difficult



    what bugs me about the cs4 suite besides being as buggy as hell and having interface changes like those in flash that don't make sense (positioning and certain widgets - if i want to increase or decrease a value i want a slider to go up or down not left to right!!) is that some apps have really good features that really should be integrated in the other apps



    for example - file recovery. Indesign is the only app that has file recovery and it's prolly the app that crashes the least from the suite (i have experience of flash, indesign, fireworks, pshop and illustrator - not the video apps)



    the align tools and the colour pickers from flash and fireworks outclass the align tools in indesign and illustrator - pshop is a joke



    fireworks is an excellent app but needs a major boost when dealin with higher res images and psd files



    no wonder adobe gripes sites and crash report images are becoming more common.
  • Reply 12 of 128
    Is it just me, or is the guy who narrates that clip about the silliest thing since Peewee Herman? It's almost like he's trying to sound like an incompetent fool.
  • Reply 13 of 128
    panupanu Posts: 135member
    I am always getting my fingers tangled up when I'm editing text in Dreamweaver, because it doesn't follow Mac keyboard conventions, such as Option arrow and Command arrow doing the same thing. Also, code view and design view use the keyboard differently, which is very frustrating. Press a key to get a big surprise! You never know what is going to happen. I'd rather just do my work.



    If Adobe makes Dreamweaver conform to Mac standards, or at least makes it an easily selectable option, I'll upgrade. If it doesn't, I won't.



    Is there a beta tester who can help me with this?
  • Reply 14 of 128
    Aperture 3 is going to make some of Photoshop irrelevant (non destructive brushes etc) for photographers. PS5 is late in the game. Adobe continues to spin chaotically in the Mac realm. Jobs knows it too.
  • Reply 15 of 128
    Already!? That's a fast update for Creative Suite. I am not putting another $600 into an upgrade this soon. Call me when CS6 is prepped.
  • Reply 16 of 128
    i hope they fix dreamweaver from being a horrible app to something a designer can understand
  • Reply 17 of 128
    No news on Illustrator? That is my must have app of the whole bunch.
  • Reply 18 of 128
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    ... As such, the bulk of the Adobe's efforts on Photoshop CS5, which goes by the code-name "White Rabbit," will reportedly come in the flavor of under-the-hood improvements, according to people who are familiar with the latest private betas of CS5 for Mac. The casual Photoshop user won't recognize too much of a difference in the software over the existing version, these people say. Instead, the enhancements will play to designers who work with relatively large files, manipulate 3D objects, and work with video. ...



    So even though CS4 was hardly different from CS3 and CS5 will be even less different than CS4 or CS3 ...



    We still have to pay a thousand bucks for the privilege of using it, and then another thousand a year later when CS6 comes out? Seriously?



    And Adobe wonders why no one likes their products anymore?



    Let's see them give away these (long overdue and much asked for), "under the hood" improvements for 30 bucks like Apple did with Snow Leopard.
  • Reply 19 of 128
    Adobe software is utter crap, someone please step up and show these losers how to innovate and cooperate.
  • Reply 20 of 128
    maccrazymaccrazy Posts: 2,657member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    When creating a new InDesign CS5 document, users are asked if their document is for print or the web. However, people familiar with the beta software report that, since "Dreamweaver does a better job of laying out pages for the web, we can?t understand why Adobe would then add similar features to InDesign ? which lacks any of the features required for managing a Web site."



    Before coding a website I design it in InDesign first as it's a better program for laying out objects and experimenting with layouts, especially if I'm using a grid. The ability to have a preset for the web would be great, just as Illustrator does in CS4.
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