I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, and that Apple maintained the right to absolutely control the User Experience. This is why there is no Flash on the devices.
There is no free speech issue here, there is no censorship. You do not have the "right" to put on any application you may wish, nor do developers have the "right" to post apps in the store.
This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Apple's attitude is, and always has been, if you do not like the situation, you can buy something else, but they are not going to budge.
I understand why they're upset, but I'm not going there.
I agree with what you say, and also feel that these various grumblers are in a distinct minority.
First you complain about all the "junk" on the App store.
Then you complain about Apple removing some of the worst offenders (sexual content.)
Then you scream about censorship, so Apple creates a category for it, and reinstates some unfortunate casualties.
You continue to bemoan the "junk" on the App store.
Apple removes some of it in an effort to clean it up.
You then scream about censorship.
Some of you people must be completely batsh*t insane. You have ZERO cause to complain about the App Store, in part because it's the most successful thing in tech since the transistor, and in part because the one time Apple actually bends over and addresses these issues you scream bloody murder.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
Arbitrarily. Apple cannot "censor" anything, since they have no authority to censor.
Apple is a publisher in this case. Do you think the newspapers should have to publish every opinion piece sent to them to avoid censorship? Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product. You are free to complain that an application was blocked from the AppStore, you are not free to force Apple to publish your application.
So since Apple has declared that one animal noise is useless, but I would bet an app that contained animal noises of all the earth's animals would be useful as a reference, that means someone at Apple has established a minimum number of animal noises to qualify as useful. So then we just have to find what that number is.
Btw, if they're clearing out items with "minimum functionality", how many worthless songs are still for sale?
as much as I like to poke fun at the app store, talking about how many useless apps there are, I would much rather have a system that didn't censor anyone and had those useless apps than to be part of a system where apps are judged in this manner.
What happens a few years from now, when apps that have above minimum functionality are being booted out because they don't have "substantial functionality"?
How can iphone users even speak up about this? Would Apple even care?
Apple's just going to make itself look more confused and unresponsive than ever if they start axing some useless apps and not others. What about the 400 fart apps, etc., etc. There is truly an amazing amount of unadulterated crap that has alread been approved by Apple's deeply flawed approval process.
So since Apple has declared that one animal noise is useless, but I would bet an app that contained animal noises of all the earth's animals would be useful as a reference, that means someone at Apple has established a minimum number of animal noises to qualify as useful. So then we just have to find what that number is.
Btw, if they're clearing out items with "minimum functionality", how many worthless songs are still for sale?
I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, ... This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Don't worry - these folks were burning Mario effigies for all the downtrodden developers being walled out of Nintendo's ecosystem for the last 2.5 decades last week. I want my naked dancing penis games for my Nintendo DS just like anyone else - but those horrible asian bastards won't let it get released.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 day conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, and that Apple maintained the right to absolutely control the User Experience. This is why there is no Flash on the devices.
There is no free speech issue here, there is no censorship. You do not have the "right" to put on any application you may wish, nor do developers have the "right" to post apps in the store.
This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Apple's attitude is, and always has been, if you do not like the situation, you can buy something else, but they are not going to budge.
I agree with you in general. While it's odd that they exclude the WiFi apps (my guess they are coming out with something), most iPhone users will not give a rats a** about it because quite honestly, how will they notice something that is not there?
I'm so sick of hearing so many whiners on this forum complaining about Apple's motives as censorship and taking away freedoms yet turn right around and rail on Apple for having so much crap on the App store. Apple is not the government nor a public servant. They sell a product to their specifications. Not yours. It just turns out that most people like their specs. Thanks goodness Apple ignores the few vocal people that prefer anarchy over some kind of realistic normality. You lose credibility the moment your scream rights-violation when Apple removes a boob app.
Go to Android, or Cydia, or whatever else that gets you going. You truly will not be missed. You'll have so much independent choices on those marketplaces. Just imagine all the hundreds of thousands of different fart, boob, porn, virus, offensive crap you'll have to sort through to find what your looking for. Welcome to the red-light district of Bangkok.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 day conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
Should have gotten the Mini 9 with the Ubuntu Linux option and installed the free Open Office, you wouldn't have the need to pay for Office or anti-virus. Good for visiting all those pr0n sites one tends to do on those lonely business trips.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
It really all depends on whether the iWorks port is useable. I could be wrong, but at the current time I see the iPad as a big iTouch, which is fine, but it is not really a productivity tool.
However, I go to conferences and hate to lug the MBP (big and expensive to replace), and I cannot stop working for the 2 to 3 days. Hence the netbook. If the iWorks port is actually usable, or if MS ports Office to the iPad like they said they might, then I will get the iPad, otherwise getting the iPad as a netbook replacement does not get me anywhere.
Should have gotten the Mini 9 with the Ubuntu Linux option and installed the free Open Office, you wouldn't have the need to pay for Office or anti-virus. Good for visiting all those pr0n sites one tend sot do on those lonely business trips.
I used to almost exclusively run Linux (fedora) on all my computers. however, given my line of work, I run a lot of specialized software. After a couple of updates to that software I could never get it to run quite right under linux, and hence I switched to Mac. I still use Open Office, which I like (but I am in academics and I get Office for free), and I also use Miro, and I switched my wife's Win 7 laptop to SongBird instead of iTunes.
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I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, and that Apple maintained the right to absolutely control the User Experience. This is why there is no Flash on the devices.
There is no free speech issue here, there is no censorship. You do not have the "right" to put on any application you may wish, nor do developers have the "right" to post apps in the store.
This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Apple's attitude is, and always has been, if you do not like the situation, you can buy something else, but they are not going to budge.
I understand why they're upset, but I'm not going there.
I agree with what you say, and also feel that these various grumblers are in a distinct minority.
Then you complain about Apple removing some of the worst offenders (sexual content.)
Then you scream about censorship, so Apple creates a category for it, and reinstates some unfortunate casualties.
You continue to bemoan the "junk" on the App store.
Apple removes some of it in an effort to clean it up.
You then scream about censorship.
Some of you people must be completely batsh*t insane. You have ZERO cause to complain about the App Store, in part because it's the most successful thing in tech since the transistor, and in part because the one time Apple actually bends over and addresses these issues you scream bloody murder.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
Arbitrarily. Apple cannot "censor" anything, since they have no authority to censor.
Apple is a publisher in this case. Do you think the newspapers should have to publish every opinion piece sent to them to avoid censorship? Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product. You are free to complain that an application was blocked from the AppStore, you are not free to force Apple to publish your application.
Btw, if they're clearing out items with "minimum functionality", how many worthless songs are still for sale?
What happens a few years from now, when apps that have above minimum functionality are being booted out because they don't have "substantial functionality"?
How can iphone users even speak up about this? Would Apple even care?
So since Apple has declared that one animal noise is useless, but I would bet an app that contained animal noises of all the earth's animals would be useful as a reference, that means someone at Apple has established a minimum number of animal noises to qualify as useful. So then we just have to find what that number is.
Btw, if they're clearing out items with "minimum functionality", how many worthless songs are still for sale?
I wonder if See n Say iphone apps will be pulled
I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, ... This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Don't worry - these folks were burning Mario effigies for all the downtrodden developers being walled out of Nintendo's ecosystem for the last 2.5 decades last week. I want my naked dancing penis games for my Nintendo DS just like anyone else - but those horrible asian bastards won't let it get released.
THE NERVE OF THEM.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 day conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
A fact, that does not justify this move by Apple, whatsoever.
WHAT? You want the iPhone App ecosystem to be 90% crap like the Windows software ecosystem is? No thanks.
I do not understand why people are upset. You (and I also) bought the phone knowing that it was a closed system, and that Apple maintained the right to absolutely control the User Experience. This is why there is no Flash on the devices.
There is no free speech issue here, there is no censorship. You do not have the "right" to put on any application you may wish, nor do developers have the "right" to post apps in the store.
This is Apple's business, and just like any other business, they have the right to restrict who does what, not unlike the standard "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs at a restaurant.
Apple's attitude is, and always has been, if you do not like the situation, you can buy something else, but they are not going to budge.
I agree with you in general. While it's odd that they exclude the WiFi apps (my guess they are coming out with something), most iPhone users will not give a rats a** about it because quite honestly, how will they notice something that is not there?
I'm so sick of hearing so many whiners on this forum complaining about Apple's motives as censorship and taking away freedoms yet turn right around and rail on Apple for having so much crap on the App store. Apple is not the government nor a public servant. They sell a product to their specifications. Not yours. It just turns out that most people like their specs. Thanks goodness Apple ignores the few vocal people that prefer anarchy over some kind of realistic normality. You lose credibility the moment your scream rights-violation when Apple removes a boob app.
Go to Android, or Cydia, or whatever else that gets you going. You truly will not be missed. You'll have so much independent choices on those marketplaces. Just imagine all the hundreds of thousands of different fart, boob, porn, virus, offensive crap you'll have to sort through to find what your looking for. Welcome to the red-light district of Bangkok.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
.. must .. not .. make .. tongue .. sex .. joke.
Arbitrarily. Apple cannot "censor" anything, since they have no authority to censor.
Unfortunately, few understand it.
My dell Mini 9 running XP is perfect for a 2 or 3 day conference. Only thing I have on it is Office and iTunes. I can edit a manuscript, talk, do basic number crunching, and check email, watch a movie or Hulu. It is not a replacement for my MBP or iMac, but for a quick business trip it is perfect.
Should have gotten the Mini 9 with the Ubuntu Linux option and installed the free Open Office, you wouldn't have the need to pay for Office or anti-virus. Good for visiting all those pr0n sites one tends to do on those lonely business trips.
6 bucks and my left nut says that's getting replaced by an iPad the moment your curious fingers hit its shiny surface. You might still keep your miniaturized XP can for "number-crunching" (for a while) but you'll hate using it. This is how the Apple flirtation develops into a full-blown marriage.
It really all depends on whether the iWorks port is useable. I could be wrong, but at the current time I see the iPad as a big iTouch, which is fine, but it is not really a productivity tool.
However, I go to conferences and hate to lug the MBP (big and expensive to replace), and I cannot stop working for the 2 to 3 days. Hence the netbook. If the iWorks port is actually usable, or if MS ports Office to the iPad like they said they might, then I will get the iPad, otherwise getting the iPad as a netbook replacement does not get me anywhere.
Welcome to the red-light district of Bangkok.
.. must .. refuse .. making .. joke .. using .. asian .. city's .. name ..
WHAT? You want the iPhone App ecosystem to be 90% crap like the Windows software ecosystem is? No thanks.
I think the problem people have is what is the definition of "crap" in this instance?
Should have gotten the Mini 9 with the Ubuntu Linux option and installed the free Open Office, you wouldn't have the need to pay for Office or anti-virus. Good for visiting all those pr0n sites one tend sot do on those lonely business trips.
I used to almost exclusively run Linux (fedora) on all my computers. however, given my line of work, I run a lot of specialized software. After a couple of updates to that software I could never get it to run quite right under linux, and hence I switched to Mac. I still use Open Office, which I like (but I am in academics and I get Office for free), and I also use Miro, and I switched my wife's Win 7 laptop to SongBird instead of iTunes.