Blockbuster 2010 Mac sales expected to carry into February for Apple

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  • Reply 41 of 90
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    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    LOL you spec-hounds just don't get it.



    i have an ASUS UL30 that is getting 10+ hours battery life with kubuntu....

    mainly why i don't tote my macbook pro around anymore. i miss the sturdy aluminum body on the mac but otherwise the asus isn't too bad.

    mac air would be lovely but just not worth that much cash. would love a 800 or less Air....
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  • Reply 42 of 90
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    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    I did the math and got a price of £1179.00* and £1328.00 to get 3 years of the necessary McAfee® anti-virus vs. Apple's intrinsic virus-free-for-life program.



    Then there is Unibody, 7 hours battery, Multi-Touch trackpad, etc



    And the free software that comes with every Mac, i.e., iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, iDVD)



    And proven the best service/support in the world.



    All that and as Green as well. Perhaps not as green with envy as you are.



    So talk about denial. It looks good on you.



    *https://shop.sonystyle-europe.com:44...tive=true)/.do









    here's how you choose no specs needed......if you are spending 999+ look into Macs....if you want walmart cheap go with pc.....
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  • Reply 43 of 90
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    Originally Posted by MsNly View Post


    RussellSakay, just because a chip has more Ghz doesn't mean it's faster.



    Ok... is the the same as size doesn't matter lol
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  • Reply 44 of 90
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    here's how you choose no specs needed......if you are spending 999+ look into Macs....if you want walmart cheap go with pc.....



    Love that comparison!
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  • Reply 45 of 90
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    Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post


    here's how you choose no specs needed......if you are spending 999+ look into Macs....if you want walmart cheap go with pc.....



    Missing a Country?



    Hmm the US? It has no links to anywhere? There's search box, but for what? and a link list of countries, Sony needs to stay out of the computer business and keep making PS3s and TVs.



    https://shop.sonystyle-europe.com/So...ve=true%29/.do
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  • Reply 46 of 90
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    Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post


    If Dell and Hp are sooo advanced why am I not seeing any of them with HDMI ports, still being made with the old out dated 1960's serial pin connectors in the back? Plus please tell me what the heck is with all the stupid LCD terminal lights? Mac has one light to let you know it asleep. Why all the other lights, do people really need to know that their Hard Drive is running?



    I guess no one can answer this?
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  • Reply 47 of 90
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
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    Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post


    Has there ever been a company with Apple's high market cap that also had Apple's high growth rate combined with their astounding profit margins/cash on hand?



    It's hard to figure what AAPL will do because it seems to be in a unique position...

    Part of me says "they can't keep growing like this with the same profit margins" but then I look at the room for growth in their markets... Crazy!



    Probably they can't, if they aren't able to keep pulling a new rabbit out of their hat every three years or so. It's easy to imagine what would have happened if the iPhone hadn't come along just as the iPod growth was starting to level off.
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  • Reply 48 of 90
    lewchenkolewchenko Posts: 139member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post




    Dell is the cheapest made crap out there on the market inside and out.



    Who the hell needs a finger print reader, hiding Gov. secrets?



    Macbook can get a 1 TB Hard Drive if you want you and do it yourself even. Buy one for what 100.00 US.

    Macbooks can have up to

    * Processor up to 3.06GHz3

    * Memory up to 8GB

    * Hard drive up to 500GB

    * 128GB or 256GB solid-state drive



    NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 512MB



    vs what...



    Core i5 2.4Ghz normal. 2.93 Ghz Performance Mode

    - 4GB DDR3 installed / 8GB max

    + 500GB HD

    + Geforce 310M with 512MB



    so lets see 9400M/9600M vs Dell's what... 310M lol



    Do you have learning difficulties? If so I will forgive, but I was talking about Sony's S series.. I never mentioned Dell. Also you can quote all those upgrades all you want, but the Sony is cheaper than the macbook pro to begin with so your points are mute.

    You also clearly dont know the difference between processors of the i5 calibre and the Core 2 Duo otherwise you wouldnt wave 3.06Ghz around like it was something to be proud of.



    Seriously... all your credibility just vanished out the window with that post. You are the worst kind of apple fanboy... wrong about your facts, cant read what other people write, and totally in denial about technology across multiple companies.



    Basically.. you are an embarrassment. (Sorry to be personal, but seriously you need to wisen up).
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  • Reply 49 of 90
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    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    Probably they can't, if they aren't able to keep pulling a new rabbit out of their hat every three years or so. It's easy to imagine what would have happened if the iPhone hadn't come along just as the iPod growth was starting to level off.



    Yes, I agree. At some point in the next few years, Apple's trick will be to maintain -- perhaps, at best, increase incrementally -- the already-created stock market value with continuous innovation, growing their earnings to match the market expectations.



    As an aside, here's an interesting empirical question: Other than in the oil/gas or state sector, how many sustainably $400B+ market cap companies are there worldwide? Not many, I suspect.



    Is there an 'absolute value' limit on corporate size?
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  • Reply 50 of 90
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
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    Originally Posted by delreyjones View Post


    I think you raise good questions. I sure don't know what their future growth will look like, but as a stockholder I hope for the best. That said, Apple's market cap is so large that I believe their P/E ratio won't go back up to the 30s and 40s again, and that's okay by me. I like it when the E pushes the P up, rather than having huge expectations pull the P up. In my opinion, the lower P/E makes APPL a safer investment, but their healthy growth and business model still delivers healthy returns.



    A lowered P/E means investors believe collectively that the company's earnings growth rates have declined or will decline. That does not make a stock safer investment -- far from it. It just means that your future returns will be lower, and that's never a good thing. Trailing P/E (the one most often quoted) is strictly a measure of anticipation. You're right, AAPL's P/E isn't likely to go as high as 40 again, unless investors really start to believe in the major growth story again. Only part of this is within Apple's control. If the iPad looks like it will be a hit, P/E will shoot up again.
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  • Reply 51 of 90
    lewchenkolewchenko Posts: 139member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    I did the math and got a price of £1179.00* and £1328.00 to get 3 years of the necessary McAfee® anti-virus vs. Apple's intrinsic virus-free-for-life program.



    Then there is Unibody, 7 hours battery, Multi-Touch trackpad, etc



    And the free software that comes with every Mac, i.e., iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, iDVD)



    And proven the best service/support in the world.



    All that and as Green as well. Perhaps not as green with envy as you are.



    So talk about denial. It looks good on you.



    *https://shop.sonystyle-europe.com:44...tive=true)/.do



    Dabs.com price it at £1128. You are paying full retail at Sony.



    Also... Ive never bought a virus killer ever. So stop with the unnecessary hype. You can buy Virus killers for Macs too you know (but are also not needed).



    I'll give you multi touch trackpad though and iLife. . Unibody... Most people dont give a damn about it as a critical comparison point. (well I dont)
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  • Reply 52 of 90
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Yes, I agree. At some point in the next few years, Apple's trick will be to maintain -- perhaps, at best, increase incrementally -- the already-created stock market value with continuous innovation, growing their earnings to match the market expectations.



    As an aside, here's an interesting empirical question: Other than in the oil/gas or state sector, how many sustainably $400B+ market cap companies are there worldwide? Not many, I suspect.



    Is there an 'absolute value' limit on corporate size?



    Good question. Apple is starting to move into uncharted territory for a large tech company. It would be interesting to go back and look at how rapidly and for how long IBM grew explosively during its heyday. Another obvious comparison would be Microsoft. From the early '80s (or whenever they went public, I'd have to look it up) until around 2000 they grew at a staggeringly rapid rate. Relative to market of that time, probably the same question could have been asked about them. Both are cautionary tales too about the need for tech companies to continue to push the envelope, to not just rest on their laurels. All of these companies are faced with the problem of building on previous successes, not just repeating them. A daunting challenge.
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  • Reply 53 of 90
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    Originally Posted by lewchenko View Post


    Do you have learning difficulties? If so I will forgive, but I was talking about Sony's S series.. I never mentioned Dell. Also you can quote all those upgrades all you want, but the Sony is cheaper than the macbook pro to begin with so your points are mute.

    You also clearly dont know the difference between processors of the i5 calibre and the Core 2 Duo otherwise you wouldnt wave 3.06Ghz around like it was something to be proud of.



    Seriously... all your credibility just vanished out the window with that post. You are the worst kind of apple fanboy... wrong about your facts, cant read what other people write, and totally in denial about technology across multiple companies.



    Basically.. you are an embarrassment. (Sorry to be personal, but seriously you need to wisen up).



    Your in a total different dimension aren't you. As far as Japanese Technology is Sony is ok. But they are one of the lowest sold computer in the US. Don't know much about Europe. You must remember that they are still running the poorest OS in history and this 7 OS is just souped up XP. Their system still depends on good virus protection, there you have it your argument as you so put it is Mute.
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  • Reply 54 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    Good question. Apple is starting to move into uncharted territory for a large tech company. It would be interesting to go back and look at how rapidly and for how long IBM grew explosively during its heyday. Another obvious comparison would be Microsoft. From the early '80s (or whenever they went public, I'd have to look it up) until around 2000 they grew at a staggeringly rapid rate. Relative to market of that time, probably the same question could have been asked about them. Both are cautionary tales too about the need for tech companies to continue to push the envelope, to not just rest on their laurels. All of these companies are faced with the problem of building on previous successes, not just repeating them. A daunting challenge.



    MS focus on SW, IBM on HW and both of them had substantial growth by playing to the low end of the market. Apple may make their money from HW but they create an environment not easily copied or replicated and are still mostly focusing on higher-end, even within the cheaper segments of the CE market. For instance, the iPod Nano compared to other PMPs in its class.



    I think this gives them a long term benefit over MS and IBM and allows them to grow more steadily into wider markets of the lower-end slowly as the upper-tiers slowly get saturated. Perhaps a better comparative example would be Cisco, who also make the HW and SW and are considered the cream of the crop for the router market, but that in itself has some comparative issues. For starters, the lack of a consumer element and of course the stock stagnation since the dot.com crash a decade ago.
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  • Reply 55 of 90
    lewchenkolewchenko Posts: 139member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post


    Your in a total different dimension aren't you. As far as Japanese Technology is Sony is ok. But they are one of the lowest sold computer in the US. Don't know much about Europe. You must remember that they are still running the poorest OS in history and this 7 OS is just souped up XP. Their system still depends on good virus protection, there you have it your argument as you so put it is Mute.



    Is that it... That is your comeback ?





    OMG. You came back with NOTHING. NADDA. ZIP.



    Virus killers and Windows 7 is XP... really ? Thats your best ? Education my friend... its your only saviour !
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  • Reply 56 of 90
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gFiz View Post


    Please see the history of EMC...except their growth/margins/cash was even more astounding, highest market growth of any public company during the 90's. Their primary revenue draw was expensive storage solutions that while unarguably best in class, were much more expensive than the next cheapest solutions (sound familiar?). Because of this lack of differentiation and relative high cost product, when the market crashed in early 2000's, they suffered immensely, as their bread and butter customers were also hurting and were more interested in saving money then necessarily purchasing the top end products. They seemed to hit their stride though in the last 6 years diversifying and acquiring complementary companies and speculating at the right time (VMWare anyone?). It appears Apple is following this model with the recent purchase of LaLa, and I wouldn't be surprised to see many more smallish type acquisitions over the next 18-24 months. Those acquisitions, coupled with Apple continuing to diversify their product portfolio, look like an excellent game plan as we head into the next decade, and is why the market is very bullish on the stock.





    i work for an EMC customer. the strategy is to sell the storage boxes at cost and make it up on hard drives and support. think $800 for a 500GB hard drive and $40,000 a year or so for support
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  • Reply 57 of 90
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    MS focus on SW, IBM on HW and both of them had substantial growth by playing to the low end of the market. Apple may make their money from HW but they create an environment not easily copied or replicated and are still mostly focusing on higher-end, even within the cheaper segments of the CE market. For instance, the iPod Nano compared to other PMPs in its class.



    I think this gives them a long term benefit over MS and IBM and allows them to grow more steadily into wider markets of the lower-end slowly as the upper-tiers slowly get saturated. Perhaps a better comparative example would be Cisco, who also make the HW and SW and are considered the cream of the crop for the router market, but that in itself has some comparative issues. For starters, the lack of a consumer element and of course the stock stagnation since the dot.com crash a decade ago.



    What they make really doesn't matter that much, IMO. Whatever the market is, the company is forced to expand it by successfully opening up new product fronts which build on their previous successes. A lot of what the iPad is (and is not) can be understood this way. To keep the growth rates running, they need to sell a lot of iPads, probably more than they sold of iPhones off the blocks.



    Also, the explosive IBM of the '50s and '60s hardly played to the low end of any market. In fact their most important product during this period was neither software or hardware, it was service. Not only did they put the iron into the companies (mainframes, keypunch machines, etc), they put their people on the ground to make sure it all worked. The secret to their success during this period. They repeated this success with typewriters. It looked like IBM was a company that could never lose, but they did not really have an act three. When minicomputers were replacing mainframes, IBM was outflanked by HP and DEC.
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  • Reply 58 of 90
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    To keep the growth rates running, they need to sell a lot of iPads, probably more than they sold of iPhones off the blocks.



    I do wonder what the sales will be the opening weekend and beyond in relation to the iPhone. The iPad does have the advantage of not requiring a data plan, but the iPhone was truly unique and phones are a necessity.



    I think within a few years we'll see the tablet market become relevant and within 5 years the iPad could outpace the Mac in terms of revenue and profit, despite continued record growth in Mac sales.



    Quote:

    When minicomputers were replacing mainframes, IBM was outflanked by HP and DEC.



    Then they were outsmarted with the personal computer by not holding applicable patents and by allowing MS to sell their OS to others. One a mistake of torpidity, the other of hubris.
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  • Reply 59 of 90
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    Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post


    Jobs will never put Blue Tech in an Apple. Blue is bad and not that marketable. The disks are cheap and the technology is more in wireless now then disk. Aren't you tired yet of CDs, DVDs, and Other stupid physical drivers that bog down battery life and still use moving parts?



    No way, i like my optical drive and need it frequently. for a 15" MBP to go without optical, i wouldn't buy it. you want that, get an air.



    for battery life? hah, most places i go have power. i need a portable office, even when i fly, where i can burn discs. cd's for music samples. and then also BD so i can backup my photography and video.



    so... i really want BD. Need BD. and don't really think Battery life is all the PR on it is saying. and even if so, I CAN PLUG INTO POWER most of the time.
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  • Reply 60 of 90
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lewchenko View Post


    Is that it... That is your comeback ?





    OMG. You came back with NOTHING. NADDA. ZIP.



    Virus killers and Windows 7 is XP... really ? Thats your best ? Education my friend... its your only saviour !



    Since all you had was Sony is having sex with you in your bedroom, I figure I didn't need much more. Oh yea you can have the best hardware in the world and it will still suck as a user experience when you have to disallow or allow everything you do. And your computer company is still depending on that anti virus meal ticket Norton and others have on you. They make a virus so you have to spend money. Not trying to sound conspiracy freakish here but who knows money is still money even if Microsoft has to deal with Norton or McCafree on the side for increased revenue.



    I would rather as you so proudly put it have old technology in my Mac then to belong to the Virus Protection Tripe.
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