Digital rights group blasts Apple over iPhone developer agreement

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  • Reply 61 of 119
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    First - I agree, there's not much they can do. It's Apple's product, they control it. I don't see what bitching about it will do other than bring to light how anal Apple is about controlling everything. If they don't like it, they should develop for a different platform and do their party to popularize THAT platform.



    Second - Android is doing fine. In fact, last I heard, the android marketplace is the fastest growing at the moment. It's showing some serious potential, although, I also heard the Nexus One censors curse words, so they aren't exactly THAT different from Apple trying to babysit everyone.



    Third - You know exactly why developers are flocking to the iphone, and it's not to put up with crap like this. It's because of the iphone & ipod touch's popularity. They are all chomping at the bit for a chance at the next popular app that goes viral. I would LOVE to invent some dopey little app like that ocarina app, and sell millions of copies for a buck or two. Was it useful? Not really. How expensive? Not very. So OBVIOUSLY the reason developers are putting up with this type of bs is so they can reach a large audience. Apple knows this, and is taking advantage of it.



    It is what it is. The iphone is badass, and has the capability of being so much more with the help of third party developers, but it's not in the cards.




    Unfortunately, the type of bs we have to put up with is comments like this.



    BTW, iPhone Developers are third-party. WTF do you think we are, fourth-party? AH.
  • Reply 62 of 119
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    What I do find MILDLY worrisome is when the NSA, CIA, FBI and other spooky Federal run organizations come to revamping their NDAs they often use the Apple Developer NDA and a starting point... sure they need to add a bunch of stuff about penalties of torture and deportation to their NDAs but otherwise it's a really great launching board.
  • Reply 63 of 119
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sheff View Post


    Ouch you get no more then $50 of compensation from apple for any reason. That is less then a day's worth of coding. That seems a bit unfair.



    Everything else is expected, since apple does not like info leaking out for any reason, because information is the only reason they are able to keep a competitive edge and high profit margins over the industry.



    That is $50 in damages not compensation. I don't have any issue with the dev agreement personally. I don't see how this is stifling competition. I don't care for the HTC lawsuit though, but I can understand it. This is more our governments fault for not creating a fair patent system though. Where is patent reform already?
  • Reply 64 of 119
    msimpsonmsimpson Posts: 452member
    Maybe EFF can get Al Gore to fix this? He sits on the Apple board, he invented the Internet, Global Warming, and probably the App Store too.
  • Reply 65 of 119
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    BTW, iPhone Developers are third-party. WTF do you think we are, fourth-party? AH.



    What really concerns me is why we haven't heard from all of those 2nd Party developers afters all these years... I'm beginning to think it might be a foul play may be involved.
  • Reply 66 of 119
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
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    Originally Posted by justflybob View Post


    ..... check out the backwards acronym for T.H.I.S.



    S.I.H.T.





    (Perhaps you are confusing 'anagram' and 'backwards acronym?')
  • Reply 67 of 119
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    I agree with the exception of "founders" (except for Woz perhaps).



    The Macintosh was an integrated device and Apple's been pushing that integrated model from the word go. The idea that a computer is a "device" that should be able to run whatever software the user wants to put on it is the opposite conception that I was referring to. That hardware/software separation was never really 100% true, and in today's world it's almost irrelevant to think of devices that way IMO.



    The era of the computer hobbyist is long past, just as it is for the automobile and a lot of other things.



    Apple was around long before the Mac. Woz was the best example of what the ideals were at the time. Apple was created around the idea of selling into (and so supporting) the Homebrew club, of which they were members.



    One could argue that Apple today, in terms of ideals, is much more like Bill Gates of the Homebrew era. The statements of today's Apple 'fans' are eerily similar to Gates' open letter to the Homebrew.
  • Reply 68 of 119
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by msimpson View Post


    Maybe EFF can get Al Gore to fix this? He sits on the Apple board, he invented the Internet, Global Warming, and probably the App Store too.



    He sits on Apple's board.
  • Reply 69 of 119
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    Originally Posted by kresh View Post


    I repudiate everything these software socialists stand for. Their stance that software patents are morally wrong is asinine. They blatantly push their agenda of destroying IP rights, terrorizing corporations and spreading FUD. Not to mention they sue people and companies over violations in GPL agreements even when the author does not want them to do so.



    Like many other radical groups they have crossed the line from activism to outright terrorism!



    fantastic misuse of the word socialist... sigh.
  • Reply 70 of 119
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    Originally Posted by slinberg View Post


    "OUTRIGHT TERRORISM."



    Wow.



    It must be entertaining to live in a mental space where you can freely redefine words to mean whatever you want them to mean.



    I think I'm going to report my local 7/11 for outright terrorism because they were out of milk this morning.



    lol! funny...
  • Reply 71 of 119
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sheff View Post


    Ouch you get no more then $50 of compensation from apple for any reason. That is less then a day's worth of coding. That seems a bit unfair.



    Everything else is expected, since apple does not like info leaking out for any reason, because information is the only reason they are able to keep a competitive edge and high profit margins over the industry.



    a day? more like an hour...
  • Reply 72 of 119
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Whenever anyone puts a contract in front of you to sign, you can bet your bottom dollar that it protects their interests, not yours.



    Many years ago my first ISP decided that all of its customers needed to sign a service contract. I made the mistake of actually reading it. The contract included provisions that gave them the right to terminate your service for any reason (or no reason) at any time, without notice. Since I was one of their first customers, I called up the owner and told him that we couldn't run our business on their ISP without the assurance that if we followed the terms of service (which were also spelled out in the contract) that they couldn't cut us off arbitrarily.



    Of course he said they'd never do that. So I asked him why, if they'd never do that, they gave themselves that right in the contract.The explantation: "it's for your protection."



    Ha, ha, ha. He couldn't understand why I didn't see his point.
  • Reply 73 of 119
    As above, Apple has a right to offer the terms of their contract and no developer is obliged to accept it. EFF can pack sand here.
  • Reply 74 of 119
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    Originally Posted by DanielSW View Post


    It angers me to see all these lazy bums attack Apple for being successful.



    A sane response might be that of being inspired by Apple's success and to then apply one's wits to being similarly creative, innovative, and successful, too, in one's own endeavors.



    But no, these are the insane reactions of parasites, scavengers, and criminals to infringe on patents and copyrights, to file frivolous law suits, and/or spread malicious and inciteful propaganda to at least attempt to defame Apple.



    It's good that Apple seems fully prepared to make stands against these malicious attacks.



    I think some people are being overly harsh about the EFF, I do not believe they were criticizing everything. Developers should be viewed as partners and not have everything quite so restrctive. I ask this; even with a great platform would there have been the same success without developers writing great software? I say no. Developers should be able to know their customers. I believe we have hypocrites on here because if this was Microsoft I doubt we would be hearing these same comments. I personally saw Microsoft destroy some good hardware companies in their war against unix using these same style tactics.
  • Reply 75 of 119
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Those developers chose to develop for the iPhone and willingly chose to accept those terms. The last time I checked there was no law prohibiting two parties from willingly getting into agreement no matter how one sided the agreement is.





    1. A contract to perform an illegal act is void.



    So there is, but this is just a FYI. Not relevant to the discussion.
  • Reply 76 of 119
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post


    1. A contract to perform an illegal act is void.



    So there is, but this is just a FYI. Not relevant to the discussion.



    What possibly "illegal act(s)" -- on either side -- are you hinting at!?
  • Reply 77 of 119
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bizwarrior View Post


    I think some people are being overly harsh about the EFF, I do not believe they were criticizing everything. Developers should be viewed as partners and not have everything quite so restrctive. I ask this; even with a great platform would there have been the same success without developers writing great software? I say no. Developers should be able to know their customers. I believe we have hypocrites on here because if this was Microsoft I doubt we would be hearing these same comments. I personally saw Microsoft destroy some good hardware companies in their war against unix using these same style tactics.



    Then it should be easy to list and verify them for us.
  • Reply 78 of 119
    ltmpltmp Posts: 204member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post


    Apple will probably pass MS in market cap within the next year or two, and yet Apple can escape anti-trust scrutiny. It's a pretty good situation to be in.



    Just $50B short as of close of market today.
  • Reply 79 of 119
    wonderwonder Posts: 229member
    And the problem is?



    Apple don't have to provide a development environment to anyone and developers are not forced to sign the agreement and develop applications.



    If you don't like it, then don't develop for the platform - how simple is that?



    There are not 'rights' here except those of Apple who quite rightly have full control over their software and infrastructure.



    It is no different than the closed platforms for XBox, PS, Wii, etc, etc.
  • Reply 80 of 119
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    Unfortunately, the type of bs we have to put up with is comments like this.



    BTW, iPhone Developers are third-party. WTF do you think we are, fourth-party? AH.



    Ummm, what? Just what the hell are you talking about?



    Am I being trolled because your comment makes zero sense in regards to what I said.
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