Pink Floyd songs could be removed from iTunes after court ruling

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  • Reply 21 of 113
    yensid98yensid98 Posts: 302member
    I guess it's within their rights to not sell individual tracks, but I think it's pretty boneheaded. Just because it's generally agreed that DSotM is a unified piece and should be listened to in its entirety doesn't mean we shouldn't have the right to buy a single track if we want. Again their choice, but I think they're only hurting themselves. Especially if they pull their albums from iTunes altogether.



    I just hope it's not a signal of things to come from other musical acts.
  • Reply 22 of 113
    cavallocavallo Posts: 57member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grking View Post


    There is no use arguing. The youth of today has never developed the listening skills to appreciate music, or true talent.



    Music these days is not generally viewed as an art form, but simply as either background music or entertainment, hence the death of the (concept) album and the rise of the single that can be digested in roughly 2.5 minutes.



    Yeah - what was I thinking. I forgot that we live in the age of the "jam-band" where they don't plan a set, but just play at random. Ugh. Death is preferable.



    Anyway, on topic − way to go P.F. You're one of the only bands I can imagine who actually should be doing this.
  • Reply 23 of 113
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by l008com View Post


    Just make sure you also shuffle the dvd chapters when you watch the wizard of oz.



    I think you misunderstood the poster your quoted... He was in fact siding with PF on the issue and agreed that they should be able to allow artists to have a say (provided they were smart enough to ask for it before they signed their contract) as to how their music is sold and pointed out that PF in particular was a band that put and enormous amount of effort into their albums (especially DSM and The Wall) and they were fully intended to be heard in their entirety and not piecemeal.



    Buying only a single track off of DSM is tantamount to ripping of a small section of a great work of art and framing it in your living room. It's simply not heard of... lol



    Now you can't argue with the old adage 'the customer is ALWAYS right' and if they really WANT to buy a single track they should be able to... and this is where the contract kicks in PF made it perfectly clear that they would forgo the profits (and in turn deny the record company their profits) on the sales of 'singles' because they had strong feelings about it. The band signed it, the studio signed it and thats that.
  • Reply 24 of 113
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grking View Post


    There is no use arguing. The youth of today has never developed the listening skills to appreciate music, or true talent.



    Music these days is not generally viewed as an art form, but simply as either background music or entertainment, hence the death of the (concept) album and the rise of the single that can be digested in roughly 2.5 minutes.



    Yes in general but not all young people and not all new music is of that caliber. I know many a young person that collects quality/old time stereo equipment and will set for long stretches of time listening and discussing quality music.
  • Reply 25 of 113
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DCno10 View Post


    To anyone that disagrees with the position of listening to/releasing only whole albums: go listen to The Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety.



    Then come talk to me.



    Agreed, in the dark, outside... by a fire... with a full moon... ok this is getting a little sketchy...
  • Reply 26 of 113
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grking View Post


    There is no use arguing. The youth of today has never developed the listening skills to appreciate music, or true talent.



    Music these days is not generally viewed as an art form, but simply as either background music or entertainment, hence the death of the (concept) album and the rise of the single that can be digested in roughly 2.5 minutes.



    Amen!



    As a 34-year-old who regularly listens to Bruckner symphonies and the "lengthier" works of Morton Feldman in their entirety, and no one else I know in my general circle -- regardless of age -- does (or is willing to do) the same or similar, I realize... that I'm 34, and that the next generation is generally screwed, doomed to short attention-spans easily satisfied with cheap baubles at every turn. Ugh. Most of the kids and teens I know make little puppies seem intensely-focused.



    I do my best to take my friends to hear live Mahler and Berlioz, but they just are affected by this stuff in the same way as am I.
  • Reply 27 of 113
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grking View Post


    There is no use arguing. The youth of today has never developed the listening skills to appreciate music, or true talent



    Youth.... wow, I (think I) remember those days......



    As to music listening and appreciation skills, best not to go there. Quite apart from the fact that one is in a horribly subjective territory where there is no rational resolution, I can assure you that I grew up on music and musical forms that makes PF -- bless them -- sound like muzak (albeit pleasant muzak).
  • Reply 28 of 113
    paulmjohnsonpaulmjohnson Posts: 1,380member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    No one disagrees. It just sounds a tad pompous, that's all. (I know DSotM very well; good album).



    Incidentally, when they perform live concerts, do they only perform either all of DSotM, or none of it?



    If they do snippets, then that means they are not only pompous, but also a tad hypocritical.



    When I went to see them in the 90's (Division Bell tour) they did Dark Side of the Moon from start to finish - it was fantastic!



    Certainly in their early years they used to perform concerts in support of new albums by playing the album in it's entirety (a mate of mine who saw them a couple of times in their very early years says they used to use concerts to improve the material before they even recorded it).



    I admire them for standing up against the record companies determination to make as much money as possible and instead go for artistic integrity.



    That said, artistic integrity is much easier to have when you are already incredibly rich!
  • Reply 29 of 113
    msnlymsnly Posts: 378member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    No one disagrees. It just sounds a tad pompous, that's all. (I know DSotM very well; good album).



    Incidentally, when they perform live concerts, do they only perform either all of DSotM, or none of it?



    If they do snippets, then that means they are not only pompous, but also a tad hypocritical.



    It doesn't matter, they signed a deal about their album which was/is a specific and formulaic piece of artwork. A concert is a different matter altogether.



    Anyways, I do believe they would at least play certain songs in succession live.
  • Reply 30 of 113
    paulmjohnsonpaulmjohnson Posts: 1,380member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by grking View Post


    There is no use arguing. The youth of today has never developed the listening skills to appreciate music, or true talent.



    Music these days is not generally viewed as an art form, but simply as either background music or entertainment, hence the death of the (concept) album and the rise of the single that can be digested in roughly 2.5 minutes.



    Whilst I take your point, it's a little harsh. Green Day still sell into the youth market and their last two albums make little sense unless listened to as a whole.
  • Reply 31 of 113
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    Originally Posted by Cavallo View Post


    Anyway, on topic − way to go P.F. You're one of the only bands I can imagine who actually should be doing this.



    I guess you've got a lot of listening to do! Here's a list of a handful to get started on (ranked from from easier to harder): Tommy (The Who), Quadraphenia (The Who), Thick as a Brick (Tull), Apostrophe (Zappa), Uncle Meat (Zappa), Apocalypse (Mahavishnu Orchestra).



    Can give you many more.....
  • Reply 32 of 113
    dcno10dcno10 Posts: 19member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MsNly View Post


    Agreed, in the dark, outside... by a fire... with a full moon... ok this is getting a little sketchy...



    HA! I'd go with a good pair of headphones and a record player in a dimmed room but that's just me.
  • Reply 33 of 113
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Doug Halfen View Post


    I agree, too -- the fault here lies entirely with EMI. Anyone who knows them is aware of their profound stupidity.



    Its too bad PF doesn't have the same kind of laws that the record studios have. If they did PF could sick RIAA on EMI!

    Now that is something I'd LOVE .... no ... PAY .... no .... KILL to see...



    Pink Floyd vs. EMI



    Complain: Illegal distribution of copyrighted music. Multiple thousands of tracks involved (we are in the process of obtaining an accurate count)



    We are seeking full damages at $15,000.00 dollars PER OFFENSE!



    Could you imagine!!
  • Reply 34 of 113
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MsNly View Post


    Yes in general but not all young people and not all new music is of that caliber. I know many a young person that collects quality/old time stereo equipment and will set for long stretches of time listening and discussing quality music.



    I completely agree, hence the term in general. I am sure that a fair percentage of the audiophile boards are younger, but the overall percentage is probably small
  • Reply 35 of 113
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JimDreamworx View Post


    [sarcasm]

    I'm surprised more artists have not gone after radio stations for daring to play a single track instead of the entire album. That's how this problem started.

    [/sarcasm]



    what are radio stations?
  • Reply 36 of 113
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post


    Whilst I take your point, it's a little harsh. Green Day still sell into the youth market and their last two albums make little sense unless listened to as a whole.



    I love green day and their last 2 albums have been brilliant. However for every GD you get a dozen overproduced heavily samples bands which is reeminisicient of much of the 70s
  • Reply 37 of 113
    lostkiwilostkiwi Posts: 607member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post


    Whilst I take your point, it's a little harsh. Green Day still sell into the youth market and their last two albums make little sense.



    There you go; fixed it for ya.

    You're welcome! :-)
  • Reply 38 of 113
    paulmjohnsonpaulmjohnson Posts: 1,380member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lostkiwi View Post


    There you go; fixed it for ya.

    You're welcome! :-)



    Nice, though with you being from NZ you're no doubt confused by any music that's not by Neil Finn
  • Reply 39 of 113
    azazel-azazel- Posts: 68member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lightstriker View Post


    what are radio stations?



    You probably know this as 'background noise', in which you are subjected to the likes of Lady Gaga and Nickelback, probably in your workplace. You'd probably be better off continuing to ignore it.
  • Reply 40 of 113
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Well...



    Good thing I have their entire catalog on both vinyl and compact disc.



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