I second this sentiment. I'm in publishing and everyday I see how wasteful we can be producing even a single 1-color title due to bottleneck workflow practices. I welcome the iPad and these new digital content-interactive approaches. Certainly producing this new type of e-content will require new and better trained staff to pull this off. It's very likely expensive to start producing interactive ebooks/ezines, but like everything thing else, once you get the hang of it you can learn ways to reduce cost.
Honestly, damn if you do and damn if you don't because a lot of people already lost their jobs in publishing. I say there is no better time to learn something new and rethink what it means to read a book or magazine.
Just as when "desktop publishing" first came to be, expect tons of overproduced visual garbage initially which will in turn lead to more refined design over time.
There isn't, and even if there was there would still be no development kit to make it as easy to create as with Flash. When it finally does best Flash in every aspect, if ever, it will be a very long time now. HTML10 and CSS12? Who knows, but that isn't really the point of the real issues with Flash, namely: Flash is still not efficient and effective on mobile devices with limited battery life and the HTML5 video tag is so much more efficient than Flash for delivering video that even when Flash 10.1 gets released for all Android phones it still won't likely be the primary method for delivering video in the future.
Yeah, I agree. I guess for me, for media rich sites like this, id still like the choice to turn Flash on.
That's cool, but it's still a non-rendered plan system font... There also all the other bullets I listed... Again, I'm psyched for HTML5, but I've still seen nothing as media rich as what you can do in flash.... Again, if there are good links id love to see them....
Yeah but HTML5 and CSS3 support the @font-face tag which allows you to have a font sitting on your webserver and use that. I've tried it using a font I created using http://www.yourfonts.com it works perfectly so what you're thinking can't be done actually can very very simply.
As for the rest I don't think it would be that difficult. Flash's ActionScript is based on Javascript and seeing the stuff that's being done with JQuery and Protocol and the like I don't think it's as far away as you'd expect.
Pardon me for saying so, but I think a lot of you are really missing the point here.
- "Meh, I don't want to read magazines with distracting moving images" and "this just looks like a DVD menu" etc.
That's not the point here, people! This is a proof of concept - it's an experiment with the new possibilities on a new type of media device, not the final word on how every type of media should look on the iPad!
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Likewise this little example isn't the final word on multi media on the iPad. It's the 21st century equivalent to Edisons "Mary had a little lamb" on the phonograph.
Please, look beyond the example, and try to see the potential. It may turn out to be as profound as Edisons phonograph in retrospect.
I truly believe the tablets and in particular the iPad are very well made for magazines, The concept behind this one in particular proves that.
I wonder how they will deliver them? No nothing about the size. If they prove to be heavy the 16GB iPad or for example the Adam with 5GB will be scarce to download such stuff.
Yeah but HTML5 and CSS3 support the @font-face tag which allows you to have a font sitting on your webserver and use that. I've tried it using a font I created using http://www.yourfonts.com it works perfectly so what you're thinking can't be done actually can very very simply.
As for the rest I don't think it would be that difficult. Flash's ActionScript is based on Javascript and seeing the stuff that's being done with JQuery and Protocol and the like I don't think it's as far away as you'd expect.
Ok... This is my last post. I've asked now 3 times if it "can be done simply", post a link of an example. So far all you've posted is a tutorial on how to rotate a box of text, that's it.. Again, I would like to never have to use Flash again, but at this point HTML5 can't replace it for complex animation and media.
Ok... This is my last post. I've asked now 3 times if it "can be done simply", post a link of an example. So far all you've posted is a tutorial on how to rotate a box of text, that's it.. Again, I would like to never have to use Flash again, but at this point HTML5 can't replace it for complex animation and media.
I posted examples of what can be done. I'm not going to do your dirty work there's a little thing called Google if you want more complex examples. You were trying to say that HTML5 and CSS3 can't do much of what you quoted and I was giving examples to disprove that. Google "@font-face" and "DIV rotation in HTML5" and whatever else you want. You may have to do some refining of your queries but that's normal. Here's a few more examples of what can be done with CSS and HTML5:
Thing is that using SVG (Adobe's vector image format that they developed before purchasing Macromedia and using Flash), HTML5, CSS3, and Javascript you can do most of what you're asking and all of which are HTML standards meaning the browser can do the work instead of a poorly coded plugin.
Simple is subjective so if you're asking for a graphic editor that produces poor code like Dreamweaver and Flash then no there isn't any of that yet. That being said though with editors like Flux you can do all the layouts easily enough and add the CSS and Javascript with minimal effort.
There's no perfect way to do HTML5 but there are many ways to do it, there's only one way to do Flash content and that's not necessarily the best way. That being said using the W3C way of doing things means that most of the content will be viewable on all the latest browsers but one big holdout and we all know which one that is.
I'm not saying HTML5 is perfect but it has largely been called off now so is really down to fine tuning as opposed to adding more features. It is not some limited code that can't produce powerful applications because Apple has proved that wrong by using Sproutcore for MobileMe and iWork.com. The effects you can do with JQuery and Protocol which are Javascript libraries are amazing.
Yes you are going to have to learn knew things but a lot of what is being done in HTML5 just simply carries on from HTML4 with some additions and some deprecations so it doesn't take long to learn. CSS3 doesn't take much to learn either and is so much easier using stylesheets in order to reduce code use because it can be used over again rather than writing the same code in each page. One document that's called by all pages or two or three depending on what screens you're using using the "Media" tag.
As I say, simple is subjective but it's not difficult to code HTML by hand. It's like any language. That being said I'm sure Apple has something up their sleeves for iWork and iWeb so we only need to wait a month or two to find out.
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Pardon me for saying so, but I think a lot of you are really missing the point here.
- "Meh, I don't want to read magazines with distracting moving images" and "this just looks like a DVD menu" etc.
That's not the point here, people! This is a proof of concept - it's an experiment with the new possibilities on a new type of media device, not the final word on how every type of media should look on the iPad!
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Likewise this little example isn't the final word on multi media on the iPad. It's the 21st century equivalent to Edisons "Mary had a little lamb" on the phonograph.
Please, look beyond the example, and try to see the potential. It may turn out to be as profound as Edisons phonograph in retrospect.
That's a good point, but it's not just a proof of concept that I can tell, it's an article in a real "digital" magazine, I can't tell how long they've been made. That's a lot of money to put into something for it to just to be a proof of concept or an art school experiment, I think it's possible to do a proof of concept with much cheaper equipment and fewer people, Edison didn't have a 12 person audio production crew. There can be value to the techniques shown here, I think it was a poorly chosen example. It probably bought them a lot of exposure though, so maybe it paid off.
When it comes down to it, I don't think this is a new idea either, I'm pretty sure this is more like a revival of a technique with an updated style, more 3D & motion graphics. I remember seeing a few different CD-ROM magazines where you're given deluxe multimedia articles, you click certain things and it animates in a way relevant to the part in question. This was 15 years ago, so I don't even remember the names of any such magazines, I don't know if any such projects lasted more than a year, it was probably just too early. I think PC/Computing or a similar magazine had one such issue like that. I'll have to dig out my box of CD-ROMs some time.
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Start with Flux which was designed for XHTML but is moving towards supporting HTML5 as well.
http://www.theescapers.com
Very interesting source. Thanks.
I second this sentiment. I'm in publishing and everyday I see how wasteful we can be producing even a single 1-color title due to bottleneck workflow practices. I welcome the iPad and these new digital content-interactive approaches. Certainly producing this new type of e-content will require new and better trained staff to pull this off. It's very likely expensive to start producing interactive ebooks/ezines, but like everything thing else, once you get the hang of it you can learn ways to reduce cost.
Honestly, damn if you do and damn if you don't because a lot of people already lost their jobs in publishing. I say there is no better time to learn something new and rethink what it means to read a book or magazine.
Just as when "desktop publishing" first came to be, expect tons of overproduced visual garbage initially which will in turn lead to more refined design over time.
There isn't, and even if there was there would still be no development kit to make it as easy to create as with Flash. When it finally does best Flash in every aspect, if ever, it will be a very long time now. HTML10 and CSS12? Who knows, but that isn't really the point of the real issues with Flash, namely: Flash is still not efficient and effective on mobile devices with limited battery life and the HTML5 video tag is so much more efficient than Flash for delivering video that even when Flash 10.1 gets released for all Android phones it still won't likely be the primary method for delivering video in the future.
Yeah, I agree. I guess for me, for media rich sites like this, id still like the choice to turn Flash on.
That's cool, but it's still a non-rendered plan system font... There also all the other bullets I listed... Again, I'm psyched for HTML5, but I've still seen nothing as media rich as what you can do in flash.... Again, if there are good links id love to see them....
Yeah but HTML5 and CSS3 support the @font-face tag which allows you to have a font sitting on your webserver and use that. I've tried it using a font I created using http://www.yourfonts.com it works perfectly so what you're thinking can't be done actually can very very simply.
As for the rest I don't think it would be that difficult. Flash's ActionScript is based on Javascript and seeing the stuff that's being done with JQuery and Protocol and the like I don't think it's as far away as you'd expect.
- "Meh, I don't want to read magazines with distracting moving images" and "this just looks like a DVD menu" etc.
That's not the point here, people! This is a proof of concept - it's an experiment with the new possibilities on a new type of media device, not the final word on how every type of media should look on the iPad!
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Likewise this little example isn't the final word on multi media on the iPad. It's the 21st century equivalent to Edisons "Mary had a little lamb" on the phonograph.
Please, look beyond the example, and try to see the potential. It may turn out to be as profound as Edisons phonograph in retrospect.
I wonder how they will deliver them? No nothing about the size. If they prove to be heavy the 16GB iPad or for example the Adam with 5GB will be scarce to download such stuff.
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Yeah but HTML5 and CSS3 support the @font-face tag which allows you to have a font sitting on your webserver and use that. I've tried it using a font I created using http://www.yourfonts.com it works perfectly so what you're thinking can't be done actually can very very simply.
As for the rest I don't think it would be that difficult. Flash's ActionScript is based on Javascript and seeing the stuff that's being done with JQuery and Protocol and the like I don't think it's as far away as you'd expect.
Ok... This is my last post. I've asked now 3 times if it "can be done simply", post a link of an example. So far all you've posted is a tutorial on how to rotate a box of text, that's it.. Again, I would like to never have to use Flash again, but at this point HTML5 can't replace it for complex animation and media.
Ok... This is my last post. I've asked now 3 times if it "can be done simply", post a link of an example. So far all you've posted is a tutorial on how to rotate a box of text, that's it.. Again, I would like to never have to use Flash again, but at this point HTML5 can't replace it for complex animation and media.
I posted examples of what can be done. I'm not going to do your dirty work there's a little thing called Google if you want more complex examples. You were trying to say that HTML5 and CSS3 can't do much of what you quoted and I was giving examples to disprove that. Google "@font-face" and "DIV rotation in HTML5" and whatever else you want. You may have to do some refining of your queries but that's normal. Here's a few more examples of what can be done with CSS and HTML5:
3D games: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/c...-html-5-can-1/
Custom Fonts: http://www.css3.info/preview/web-fonts-with-font-face/
Using CSS on video: http://developer.apple.com/safari/li...CSSStyles.html
Web 3D (may need to download nightly build of Webkit): http://www.web3d.org/x3d/wiki/index....HTML5_examples
It's all there on the Internet.
Thing is that using SVG (Adobe's vector image format that they developed before purchasing Macromedia and using Flash), HTML5, CSS3, and Javascript you can do most of what you're asking and all of which are HTML standards meaning the browser can do the work instead of a poorly coded plugin.
Simple is subjective so if you're asking for a graphic editor that produces poor code like Dreamweaver and Flash then no there isn't any of that yet. That being said though with editors like Flux you can do all the layouts easily enough and add the CSS and Javascript with minimal effort.
There's no perfect way to do HTML5 but there are many ways to do it, there's only one way to do Flash content and that's not necessarily the best way. That being said using the W3C way of doing things means that most of the content will be viewable on all the latest browsers but one big holdout and we all know which one that is.
I'm not saying HTML5 is perfect but it has largely been called off now so is really down to fine tuning as opposed to adding more features. It is not some limited code that can't produce powerful applications because Apple has proved that wrong by using Sproutcore for MobileMe and iWork.com. The effects you can do with JQuery and Protocol which are Javascript libraries are amazing.
Yes you are going to have to learn knew things but a lot of what is being done in HTML5 just simply carries on from HTML4 with some additions and some deprecations so it doesn't take long to learn. CSS3 doesn't take much to learn either and is so much easier using stylesheets in order to reduce code use because it can be used over again rather than writing the same code in each page. One document that's called by all pages or two or three depending on what screens you're using using the "Media" tag.
As I say, simple is subjective but it's not difficult to code HTML by hand. It's like any language. That being said I'm sure Apple has something up their sleeves for iWork and iWeb so we only need to wait a month or two to find out.
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Very sharply presented point.
Pardon me for saying so, but I think a lot of you are really missing the point here.
- "Meh, I don't want to read magazines with distracting moving images" and "this just looks like a DVD menu" etc.
That's not the point here, people! This is a proof of concept - it's an experiment with the new possibilities on a new type of media device, not the final word on how every type of media should look on the iPad!
When Thomas Edison recorded the words of "Mary had a little lamb" on his newfangled phonograph, his point was not to say "this is the future of nursery rhymes". Is was to demonstrate the potential of audio recording as such. As we all know quite a few people picked up on that idea later on.
Likewise this little example isn't the final word on multi media on the iPad. It's the 21st century equivalent to Edisons "Mary had a little lamb" on the phonograph.
Please, look beyond the example, and try to see the potential. It may turn out to be as profound as Edisons phonograph in retrospect.
That's a good point, but it's not just a proof of concept that I can tell, it's an article in a real "digital" magazine, I can't tell how long they've been made. That's a lot of money to put into something for it to just to be a proof of concept or an art school experiment, I think it's possible to do a proof of concept with much cheaper equipment and fewer people, Edison didn't have a 12 person audio production crew. There can be value to the techniques shown here, I think it was a poorly chosen example. It probably bought them a lot of exposure though, so maybe it paid off.
When it comes down to it, I don't think this is a new idea either, I'm pretty sure this is more like a revival of a technique with an updated style, more 3D & motion graphics. I remember seeing a few different CD-ROM magazines where you're given deluxe multimedia articles, you click certain things and it animates in a way relevant to the part in question. This was 15 years ago, so I don't even remember the names of any such magazines, I don't know if any such projects lasted more than a year, it was probably just too early. I think PC/Computing or a similar magazine had one such issue like that. I'll have to dig out my box of CD-ROMs some time.