Amazon reveals all-new Kindle e-book app for Apple iPad

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  • Reply 21 of 65
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by John the Geek View Post


    Drop the personal attacks guys.



    It's interesting to see that the iBookstore will be a separate download. I was wondering when Apple's "no duplicating core functionality" policy was going to step in, but if their app is not preinstalled then it's not core functionality. Clever loophole.



    personally, i don't see the reason (other than to prevent a monopoly) as to why Apple needs to even have thier own iBooks app or iBookstore. Amazon and Barnes have been doing pretty well on their own. Well, amazon more-so. I think it would have been very interesting if Apple had Partnered with one of them, probably the less of the two evils like B&N. That would have really shaken things up. Then SJ wouldn't have had to jump through hoops to impress the NYT and all others to buy into his device. Just a thought. We'll see how the numbers work out, considering my guess as to at least 20% of new iPad purchases this year will be from people converting over from the Kindle.
  • Reply 22 of 65
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    One wonders why Apple didn't just bundle the iBooks app.



    "Your bookshelf is empty, visit the iBookstore to purchase books. Even free ones."
  • Reply 23 of 65
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    Originally Posted by JediZenMaster View Post


    I can sorta agree with this scenario because it would mirror what happened to sega in the video game industry. Since sega makes video games for other makers instead of having its own hardware console.



    The same could be said for many companies when it comes to hardware. Look at printers. I bougth a really nice Samsung color laser printer this Christmas for 99.00 its even wireless. The printer was 300.00 and cut down to 99.00 for a Black Friday deal. Toner last a long time but when it is time to buy the toner for all four colors it runs about 200.00...lol.



    Twice as much as the hardware.



    You comment about sega is another perfect example, when the console industry got heated and sega new they were on the short end with hardware they simply decided to provide software.



    Apple and Microsoft are perfect examples of one making their profit on hardware the other on software. Microsoft I believe has about a 24% net profit margin on their software, while Apple has about a 22-24% net margin on their hardware.
  • Reply 24 of 65
    techstudtechstud Posts: 124member
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    Originally Posted by emulator View Post


    only the cowards set up ignore lists.



    Bravo!!!!!
  • Reply 25 of 65
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    One wonders why Apple didn't just bundle the iBooks app.



    "Your bookshelf is empty, visit the iBookstore to purchase books. Even free ones."



    Apple for some reason seems to want to still have eveything pushed through iTunes. I don't mind using iTunes except it has become really bloated at this point.
  • Reply 26 of 65
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    Originally Posted by emulator View Post


    Only the cowards set up ignore lists.



    Exactly. If you can't interact with people on the net how the hell can you interact with them in real life. There are just certain people in this world that believe everyone has to agree with them. I find it hard to beleive they are able to function in real life if they can't even deal with forum members.
  • Reply 27 of 65
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by John the Geek View Post


    Drop the personal attacks guys.



    It's interesting to see that the iBookstore will be a separate download. I was wondering when Apple's "no duplicating core functionality" policy was going to step in, but if their app is not preinstalled then it's not core functionality. Clever loophole.



    That is the question. I don't think they've submitted it yet. Question will be if Apple will reject the kindle app when submitted. IMO, that would be a very very bad PR move.
  • Reply 28 of 65
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
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    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    The same could be said for many companies when it comes to hardware. Look at printers. I bougth a really nice Samsung color laser printer this Christmas for 99.00 its even wireless. The printer was 300.00 and cut down to 99.00 for a Black Friday deal. Toner last a long time but when it is time to buy the toner for all four colors it runs about 200.00...lol.



    Twice as much as the hardware.



    You comment about sega is another perfect example, when the console industry got heated and sega new they were on the short end with hardware they simply decided to provide software.



    Apple and Microsoft are perfect examples of one making their profit on hardware the other on software. Microsoft I believe has about a 24% net profit margin on their software, while Apple has about a 22-24% net margin on their hardware.



    sega lost the hardware market because they kept marginalizing their business, how long did they expect to release sub par tech at an overpriced value? that is why they lost out, keep selling us a fake dream for premium profits.
  • Reply 29 of 65
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    Originally Posted by zindako View Post


    sega lost the hardware market because they kept marginalizing their business, how long did they expect to release sub par tech at an overpriced value? that is why they lost out, keep selling us a fake dream for premium profits.



    Fake dream of premium profits. Its pretty well known that both Apple and Microsoft make well above the average on their products. In fact Apple has a gross profit magin of about 51-55% on their iPad. So if their gross margin is say at 51% what do you think their net margin is 5%. This is simple math.



    On the flip side Windows sells Windows 7 Ultimate for about 285.00 retail. Apple sold SL for 29.99.



    "how long did they expect to release sub par tech at an overpriced value?"



    I don't know in many ways that sounds like Apple. The rather dated Macbook Pro 17" will still run you about 2600.00 with no upgrades at all. That seems outdated and overpriced to me.
  • Reply 30 of 65
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Off topic and I will drop it after this post. Ignore list if used wisely will save a lot of reading. I only use the list for trolls who disrupt and deviate from the topic. Too many threads are ended by trolls who successfully achieve their agenda to ruin the discussion. Most regular readers of AI can identify the trolls and it makes sense to either add the the trolls to the ignore list or to ignore them all together.
  • Reply 31 of 65
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member
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    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its sad you are so pathetic you have to put people on ignore that don't always agree with you. Are you that fragile? ...



    See, this is what I mean. He can't even have an argument without resorting to name calling and a bunch of emotional stuff best left at home. And calling people "cowards" for having the temerity for blocking him is just more name calling.



    The ironic thing is that people like him are actually more thin skinned and thus more "fragile" than the rest of us.



    In case you're interested mr. "extremeskater" you, ... and the many alts of "teckstud" (the one person who has supported you here) constitute the entirety of my ignore list. There's literally no one who even comes close to being as angry, and having posts as bereft of intelligent content as you two.
  • Reply 32 of 65
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    I don't know in many ways that sounds like Apple. The rather dated Macbook Pro 17" will still run you about 2600.00 with no upgrades at all. That seems outdated and overpriced to me.



    Actually the price is $2499 for the base model. This is down about $200 when I bought my 17" MBP a year ago. During the time from when I purchased the MBP, the HDD increased from 320GB to 500 GB, the processor increased from 2.66 to 2.8GHz. The price for the options also decreased -- 8 GB RAM option from $1300 to $600 and the 256 GB SSD from $800 to $650.
  • Reply 33 of 65
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Apple for some reason seems to want to still have eveything pushed through iTunes. I don't mind using iTunes except it has become really bloated at this point.



    What's that got to do with whether or not they bundle the iBooks app?
  • Reply 34 of 65
    inklinginkling Posts: 773member
    The good that may come out of this:



    1. Apple will have powerful competition.



    2. More sources mean more book choices.



    3. If Apple refuses to sell a book because it criticizes Steve Jobs or a pet Apple cause, Amazon will have it.



    4. If Amazon tries to bully an author or publisher by yanking their "Buy" button, we can still find the book at the iBookstore. Amazon doesn't win. It just loses sales.





    The bad:



    1. We're still stuck with weak, proprietary standards for ebooks, with Amazon being the worst offender.



    2. The market will remain fragmented, with Apple and Amazon forcing authors to sign their particular contracts and agree to their self-serving rules about marketing and pricing. The result will be more headaches for authors and more potential for bullying by Amazon and Apple's lawyers. As the Authors Guild is warning, authors should be careful about the ebook contracts they sign.



    *****



    What the market really needs is for distributors to step in and shield authors from Amazon's bullying, Apple's petty censorship, and the attempts by both to dictate where and how an author can sell his books. The best way to do that is to make sure that both Amazon and Apple have to source ebooks through distributors such as the business-like Ingram Digital and the funkier Smashwords. By offering ebooks at the same price to all parties, we'd have a leveler playing field.



    We need a lively, really free market, with many small, specialized ebook stores rather than one dominated by two 800-pound gorillas, each more intent on pounding the other into pulp than in serving the public.



    I suspect we'll go through a wild and wooly period before we see the market settle down to something sensible.



    --Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien
  • Reply 35 of 65
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Of course Amazon was going to adopt their iPhone/Touch app to work ideally on the iPad, what isn't yet known is when Apple will release a Mac, Win PC, or iPhone/Touch app to read eBooks. Hopefully by April 3rd when iTunes has to be updated for the iPad.



    Amazon needs to get it's act together. They were greedy on content and HW trying to make both huge profit centers, and now they are alienating publishers with ultimatums. Not good, but it least it gives others more chance to get in. Come on B&N.
  • Reply 36 of 65
    eaieai Posts: 417member
    Could the iBook store being downloadable from iTunes point to apple allowing 3rd party apps to use iTunes for syncing? Perhaps? Maybe they decided to use the iBook app as a test case for this?
  • Reply 37 of 65
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Yeah its kind of funny if SJ takes a dump they know about it but even thought I have posted this about 10 times now they act as if its something new.



    Yes...you are a god.
  • Reply 38 of 65
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its sad you are so pathetic you have to put people on ignore that don't always agree with you. Are you that fragile?



    It has nothing to do with being fragile and everything to do with time management. There are some who's opinions are worth reading, others who aren't. The ignore list allows me to choose on how I spend my time.



    I find it ironic you are fragile enough that you were compelled to call out someone for ignoring you. Then again that's part of the reason I never see your comments anyway - except I wasn't logged in previously. That has now been rectified....
  • Reply 39 of 65
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by johncmg View Post


    Jeff Bezos stated close to 2 years ago that the kindle store and the kindle hardware are two separate divisions and hardware will have to compete to stay current and the store will release apps for any device on the market that they see fit.



    I thought as much too. It will be interesting to see how long the Kindle hardware hangs on. While I have no problem with it, esp. there are some who seem to really value e-ink, I have no use for it. For the same or similar price the iPad provides far more value for me. I fear they are going to have a pretty hard time justifying producing it in the long run.
  • Reply 40 of 65
    rco3rco3 Posts: 76member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emulator View Post


    Only the cowards set up ignore lists.



    That is a false-to-fact statement. It is inflammatory, and deliberately so. It implies support for the clear and pervasive trolling efforts that plague this site continuously. What conclusion do we derive from this? What action should be taken? Oh, wait, I know...
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