Josh.B. and extremeskater are getting into fights again, in yet another thread. And, over the constantly negative stuff they keep spewing like toxic sludge. I am waiting for tulkas to show up, and complete the trio.
The reason why they don't mention is because it's hard to estimate those numbers per product. The only thing the outsider has is visibility into the BOM and a typical estimated manufacturing cost.
Apple, like other companies, does not provide complete breakout of its costs for any given SKU. It makes no sense because it would give a competitive advantage to others. Apple discloses R&D and SG&A as operating expenses as a whole for the company in their financial statements.
And one can use the AVERAGE R&D and SG&A expenses for at least a rough estimate. If the average R&D cost is 7% of sales, and you use 7% as the number for any given product, that's likely to be closer than using zero.
Although it's not clear to me why it matters. if I decide that an iPad is worth $499 to me, I'm going to buy it - regardless of whether Apple's margin is 50% or 5%. Margins mean nothing to consumers (except that, in the long run, high margins mean a healthy company that will likely be around to support them in the future and create new products).
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Yeah - the $100 rebate is what I remembered.
Millmoss - why did you deny this?
Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.
I don't know if I'm typical or not, but I bought the original iPhone on day 1. I wasn't the least bit unhappy with my purchase even when Apple dropped the price. It was worth $600 to me and I was happy to pay it. The fact that the price dropped later had no impact on whether that was a good purchase or not. It simply meant that when I replaced it, it would cost less.
Your statement that millions of people were unhappy with the price drop is completely unfounded. You can't just pull numbers out of your rear and expect people to believe them.
Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.
Apple announced it sold in its 1 millionth iPhone after 74 days, on September 10th. Apple dropped the price to $400 on September 5th, just five days prior. Sure, there was a rush in those 5 days but to say it was considerably under 1M is a stretch.
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Josh.B. and extremeskater are getting into fights again, in yet another thread. And, over the constantly negative stuff they keep spewing like toxic sludge. I am waiting for tulkas to show up, and complete the trio.
Now, isn't that great..... what a hoot!
Way to go, AI!
Yawn....... bye.....
PS: Good luck, Doc. Have fun with these losers.
I don't "deny" anything, except that I am from Mars. If you said that, I'd deny it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - you disputed it. Why did you dispute that many iPhone early adopters were angry with the quick price reduction?
Define many.
Enough so that their unhappiness became national news, and enough to inspire Apple to institute a special refund/discount program for them.
Fair enough?
Many people believe the Earth is flat. Is it?
I don't "deny" anything, except that I am from Mars. If you said that, I'd deny it.
Doc M. not worth your time arguing with JB just a waste of time. I don't have an Ignore List (IL) for not.
16/64 responses or 25% of the responses on this thread alone.
Josh.B. and extremeskater ........ keep spewing like toxic sludge. .....
PS: Good luck, Doc. Have fun with these losers.
IL isn't only the US Postal code of Illinios, the Land of Linclon, also can mean Ignore List land of Ignored Trolls .
Doc M. not worth your time arguing with JB just a waste of time. I don't have an Ignore List (IL) for not.
16/64 responses or 25% of the responses on this thread alone.
And it's just iGenius under yet another alias trolling for attention. I thought multiple aliases were against the forum rules.
And it's just iGenius under yet another alias trolling for attention. I thought multiple aliases were against the forum rules.
You can let the moderators worry about the forum rules thats why we have moderators.
The reason why they don't mention is because it's hard to estimate those numbers per product. The only thing the outsider has is visibility into the BOM and a typical estimated manufacturing cost.
Apple, like other companies, does not provide complete breakout of its costs for any given SKU. It makes no sense because it would give a competitive advantage to others. Apple discloses R&D and SG&A as operating expenses as a whole for the company in their financial statements.
And one can use the AVERAGE R&D and SG&A expenses for at least a rough estimate. If the average R&D cost is 7% of sales, and you use 7% as the number for any given product, that's likely to be closer than using zero.
Although it's not clear to me why it matters. if I decide that an iPad is worth $499 to me, I'm going to buy it - regardless of whether Apple's margin is 50% or 5%. Margins mean nothing to consumers (except that, in the long run, high margins mean a healthy company that will likely be around to support them in the future and create new products).
Yeah - the $100 rebate is what I remembered.
Millmoss - why did you deny this?
Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.
I don't know if I'm typical or not, but I bought the original iPhone on day 1. I wasn't the least bit unhappy with my purchase even when Apple dropped the price. It was worth $600 to me and I was happy to pay it. The fact that the price dropped later had no impact on whether that was a good purchase or not. It simply meant that when I replaced it, it would cost less.
Your statement that millions of people were unhappy with the price drop is completely unfounded. You can't just pull numbers out of your rear and expect people to believe them.
not unless it were a game console...
Okay, fair enough. However, there is the old journalistic axiom that 'Dog Bites Man' is not a story, whereas 'Man Bites Dog!' is!
Enough so that their unhappiness became national news, and enough to inspire Apple to institute a special refund/discount program for them.
Fair enough?
If they're so unhappy why does Apple have the highest customer satisfaction of the cell phone makers?
Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.
Apple announced it sold in its 1 millionth iPhone after 74 days, on September 10th. Apple dropped the price to $400 on September 5th, just five days prior. Sure, there was a rush in those 5 days but to say it was considerably under 1M is a stretch.
If they're so unhappy why does Apple have the highest customer satisfaction of the cell phone makers?
Because he's iGenius trolling under yet another alias.