With the way the other players handled it, it would have been a disaster. Heck, I read posts here on AI about Android users saying that multitasking on their devices while nice, is not elegant and will suck your battery down quickly.
We were not against it. We just wanted Apple to implement it in a way that is easy to use, not just for us techheads but for the average Joe. They got it right. What the heck is your problem?
Folks like you clamor for features, and when it's implemented - later than you'd like but nicely - you then turn around and hammer everyone and Apple for doing it?
The quality of AI is going downhill seriously fast with all the whiners getting on their soapbox. What a shame. Even I've noticed the more steady power-members are whittling away in frustration due to having to hear you crybabies.
There are a couple of strawmen that, were I king, would earn you an instant ban, just on general principles. Certainly the "you Apple people claimed you hated and feared and loathed feature x until Apple did it and now you claim that Apple invented feature x and are celebrating in the streets" gambit would be chief among them.
On account of it's so very frackin' stupid. At the very least, people hauling this chestnut out should be obliged to produce particular posters who performed that particular pirouette, failure to do so being cause for a beating.
What say you, g3pro? Can you point to anyone in particular who "long railed against multitasking as an unnecessary, complicated problem (not a feature) that Apple should never implement" and who now praise Apple?
... Apple users on this very forum have long railed against multitasking as an unnecessary, complicated problem (not a feature) that Apple should never implement. ...
This is a completely untrue statement. But then I guess you knew that when you made it.
The quality of AI is going downhill seriously fast with all the whiners getting on their soapbox. What a shame. Even I've noticed the more steady power-members are whittling away in frustration due to having to hear you crybabies.
Yeah, these guys have been trying to turn AI into the dumpster that is macrumors, I don't think they 've succeeded so far because the demographics are different, but boy are they grating.
Apple users railing against multitasking? Talk about pulling things out of bodily orifices. The same orifices that are a tad sore from yesterdays announcements I might add...
Pretty amazing stuff. These guys from Apple really know what they are doing. This whole iAd things is going be HUGE.
How soon do these adds be completly tailored to you specifically. Based on all your net history, etc...Plus pulling these exact ads, to be at bustops, subways, trainstations via iPosters. Hello Minority Report.
I've got a few free apps now that run ads. For some reason, half are for Christian groups of some sort or another. Suffice it to say, I have never clicked on one of the ads, not once.
Watching Steve play with the Toy Story 3 ad was fun; I think I actually might click on a few ads from now on...
I liked the spinning video wheel... and Steve's jibe at Flash (by saying it was all done in HTML5).
Actually, it seems like the iTunes version is buggered too. I wanted to watch it today on my iPod, I downloaded it to iTunes, put it on, and it locks just after the dude from Pandora takes the stage. Oddly, the audio keeps going for a while, but eventually it just dies. Hopefully, Apple will post a corrected version to the iTunes podcasts.
This is a completely untrue statement. But then I guess you knew that when you made it.
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
Only after Apple announces multitasking do these users sing a different tune. That is a fact. It is systemic among the other fanboy forums as well. It is not an isolated phenomenon.
Actually, it seems like the iTunes version is buggered too. I wanted to watch it today on my iPod, I downloaded it to iTunes, put it on, and it locks just after the dude from Pandora takes the stage. Oddly, the audio keeps going for a while, but eventually it just dies. Hopefully, Apple will post a corrected version to the iTunes podcasts.
The iTunes one now plays the entire event - but turns into a slideshow after 5 minutes. WIld - first keynote podcast from Apple that's munged (on their second upload even).
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
You've been asked to show this, and you ignored that request. I'll ask you again, unless you want to prove yourself ignorant:
Where is the post by anyone on these forums that says "it's an unnecessary feature" or agreeing with such a statement, and then where is the post by the same person celebrating its addition?
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
Maybe somebody did. But if it was as common as you say, though, it seems like you should be able to cough up at least one example in short order.
On the other hand, there were those who certainly did say that without "multitasking" (they were always reluctant to define what they meant by that, it seemed) the iPhone was a complete failure doomed to the ash bin of history. In response, others ? myself among them ?*questioned just what "multitasking" really means, and whether it might not actually be more of an edge-case thing than an absolutely essential, can't-live-without-it requirement. There was one discussion some weeks ago where the conversation even broke down the different use cases for "multitasking" into things like background audio playback and background task-finishing. I don't think anybody brought up background location, but in retrospect that one's pretty obvious as well. What I myself certainly didn't think of was OS-level suspend/resume. Which, while a neat feature, really isn't "multitasking" by any non-marketing definition of the term anyway.
It sounds to me like you're confusing "This is absolutely essential in every way/no it's really not" with "this is totally unnecessary." Opinions on this forum have never been so childishly black and white as that.
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Only after Apple announces multitasking do these users sing a different tune. That is a fact.
Nope, it's really not. Again, the thread I'm thinking of right now was active in mid-March, if I remember right. Can't be assed to go digging it up right now, but that's in no small part because I'm not the one with an axe to grind here.
Maybe we should have a thread were we list all the things "people on these boards" are not saying, retained for future reference.
For instance, while plenty of folks are noting that lack of a camera on the iPad isn't a deal breaker, or that video chat on such a device might not be optimal, I don't believe anyone is insisting that a camera on the iPad is a terrible idea that Apple must not do.
Or if there is anyone making those claims, perhaps they could use such a thread to declare themselves, so that we could subsequently monitor them closely for signs of inconsistency.
Having said that, one thing I can predict with confidence is that when Apple releases an iPad with a camera, there will be a great many posts claiming "we all" were bitterly rejecting even the suggestion that Apple might include a camera at some point, and the fact that we will be perfectly happy with such an update will be further proof of our mindlessness.
The managing of multi-tasking is too complicated for ordinary users. Apple provided an extremely simplistic UI for multi-tasking. Everything else is in the background. Not so much for others' implementation.
I fail to see how this is any different than Apple's competitors on the user level (assuming that's what you're implying). On iPhone 4.0, you double-press the Home button and an interface with icons of the programs you have running show up. On BlackBerries, you press and hold the BB button and a similar interface shows up. On Android, it's pressing and holding the Home button. And on webOS, I believe it's either you tap the center face button or you press and hold it and the cards come out.
It seems like to me, on all these OSs, everything is "in the background" as well for out-of-the-box. There just happens to be apps for Android (at least), that lets the user take personal control if he or she so wishes.
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Actually, today they just surpassed them.
Oh? I might be wrong and missed something, but out of all the items that were worthy of being highlighted by Steve Jobs, I didn't see any that its competitors didn't have already. The only thing that's new would be Apple's Game Center. But it can be argued that WP7 already demonstrated that with its XBox Live integration.
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With the way the other players handled it, it would have been a disaster. Heck, I read posts here on AI about Android users saying that multitasking on their devices while nice, is not elegant and will suck your battery down quickly.
We were not against it. We just wanted Apple to implement it in a way that is easy to use, not just for us techheads but for the average Joe. They got it right. What the heck is your problem?
Folks like you clamor for features, and when it's implemented - later than you'd like but nicely - you then turn around and hammer everyone and Apple for doing it?
The quality of AI is going downhill seriously fast with all the whiners getting on their soapbox. What a shame. Even I've noticed the more steady power-members are whittling away in frustration due to having to hear you crybabies.
There are a couple of strawmen that, were I king, would earn you an instant ban, just on general principles. Certainly the "you Apple people claimed you hated and feared and loathed feature x until Apple did it and now you claim that Apple invented feature x and are celebrating in the streets" gambit would be chief among them.
On account of it's so very frackin' stupid. At the very least, people hauling this chestnut out should be obliged to produce particular posters who performed that particular pirouette, failure to do so being cause for a beating.
What say you, g3pro? Can you point to anyone in particular who "long railed against multitasking as an unnecessary, complicated problem (not a feature) that Apple should never implement" and who now praise Apple?
... Apple users on this very forum have long railed against multitasking as an unnecessary, complicated problem (not a feature) that Apple should never implement. ...
This is a completely untrue statement. But then I guess you knew that when you made it.
Steve didn't say whether this would be a paid update and if so, how much? I'm really looking forward to it!
The quality of AI is going downhill seriously fast with all the whiners getting on their soapbox. What a shame. Even I've noticed the more steady power-members are whittling away in frustration due to having to hear you crybabies.
Yeah, these guys have been trying to turn AI into the dumpster that is macrumors, I don't think they 've succeeded so far because the demographics are different, but boy are they grating.
Apple users railing against multitasking? Talk about pulling things out of bodily orifices. The same orifices that are a tad sore from yesterdays announcements I might add...
Pretty amazing stuff. These guys from Apple really know what they are doing. This whole iAd things is going be HUGE.
How soon do these adds be completly tailored to you specifically. Based on all your net history, etc...Plus pulling these exact ads, to be at bustops, subways, trainstations via iPosters. Hello Minority Report.
I've got a few free apps now that run ads. For some reason, half are for Christian groups of some sort or another. Suffice it to say, I have never clicked on one of the ads, not once.
Watching Steve play with the Toy Story 3 ad was fun; I think I actually might click on a few ads from now on...
I liked the spinning video wheel... and Steve's jibe at Flash (by saying it was all done in HTML5).
This is a completely untrue statement. But then I guess you knew that when you made it.
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
Only after Apple announces multitasking do these users sing a different tune. That is a fact. It is systemic among the other fanboy forums as well. It is not an isolated phenomenon.
Actually, it seems like the iTunes version is buggered too. I wanted to watch it today on my iPod, I downloaded it to iTunes, put it on, and it locks just after the dude from Pandora takes the stage. Oddly, the audio keeps going for a while, but eventually it just dies. Hopefully, Apple will post a corrected version to the iTunes podcasts.
The quicktime link on the main-site works best (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialevent0410/
).
The iTunes one now plays the entire event - but turns into a slideshow after 5 minutes. WIld - first keynote podcast from Apple that's munged (on their second upload even).
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
You've been asked to show this, and you ignored that request. I'll ask you again, unless you want to prove yourself ignorant:
Where is the post by anyone on these forums that says "it's an unnecessary feature" or agreeing with such a statement, and then where is the post by the same person celebrating its addition?
No, it was very true. In response to those who said the iPhone did not have multitasking, users on this very board have said precisely what I said: it's unnecessary and it's too complicated.
Maybe somebody did. But if it was as common as you say, though, it seems like you should be able to cough up at least one example in short order.
On the other hand, there were those who certainly did say that without "multitasking" (they were always reluctant to define what they meant by that, it seemed) the iPhone was a complete failure doomed to the ash bin of history. In response, others ? myself among them ?*questioned just what "multitasking" really means, and whether it might not actually be more of an edge-case thing than an absolutely essential, can't-live-without-it requirement. There was one discussion some weeks ago where the conversation even broke down the different use cases for "multitasking" into things like background audio playback and background task-finishing. I don't think anybody brought up background location, but in retrospect that one's pretty obvious as well. What I myself certainly didn't think of was OS-level suspend/resume. Which, while a neat feature, really isn't "multitasking" by any non-marketing definition of the term anyway.
It sounds to me like you're confusing "This is absolutely essential in every way/no it's really not" with "this is totally unnecessary." Opinions on this forum have never been so childishly black and white as that.
Only after Apple announces multitasking do these users sing a different tune. That is a fact.
Nope, it's really not. Again, the thread I'm thinking of right now was active in mid-March, if I remember right. Can't be assed to go digging it up right now, but that's in no small part because I'm not the one with an axe to grind here.
For instance, while plenty of folks are noting that lack of a camera on the iPad isn't a deal breaker, or that video chat on such a device might not be optimal, I don't believe anyone is insisting that a camera on the iPad is a terrible idea that Apple must not do.
Or if there is anyone making those claims, perhaps they could use such a thread to declare themselves, so that we could subsequently monitor them closely for signs of inconsistency.
Having said that, one thing I can predict with confidence is that when Apple releases an iPad with a camera, there will be a great many posts claiming "we all" were bitterly rejecting even the suggestion that Apple might include a camera at some point, and the fact that we will be perfectly happy with such an update will be further proof of our mindlessness.
The managing of multi-tasking is too complicated for ordinary users. Apple provided an extremely simplistic UI for multi-tasking. Everything else is in the background. Not so much for others' implementation.
I fail to see how this is any different than Apple's competitors on the user level (assuming that's what you're implying). On iPhone 4.0, you double-press the Home button and an interface with icons of the programs you have running show up. On BlackBerries, you press and hold the BB button and a similar interface shows up. On Android, it's pressing and holding the Home button. And on webOS, I believe it's either you tap the center face button or you press and hold it and the cards come out.
It seems like to me, on all these OSs, everything is "in the background" as well for out-of-the-box. There just happens to be apps for Android (at least), that lets the user take personal control if he or she so wishes.
Actually, today they just surpassed them.
Oh? I might be wrong and missed something, but out of all the items that were worthy of being highlighted by Steve Jobs, I didn't see any that its competitors didn't have already. The only thing that's new would be Apple's Game Center. But it can be argued that WP7 already demonstrated that with its XBox Live integration.