in the end it doesn't matter because even if it was out, it won't be on the ipad. partly because of the bug and batteries and partly because
Adobe is trying to counter the bug stuff by saying that it works great on X, Y and Z platforms so the issues are all on Apple's side. And yet they don't have the product on the market so they have no actual data to back themselves up. At least with this latest version. And the fact that they are having issues getting a full version of Flash 10 out on any mobile OS is not going to help audience perception. The most issues and delays they have the more folks might start to believe that Apple has a point. At least among the non tech heads that want something that is cost effective and won't give them headaches with crashes, battery wipeouts etc
Start, the perception has already begun. Many of the big names on the market are already moving rapidly in the direction of HMTL5 for iPhone/iTouch/iPad, they can't afford to wait months to capitalize on a market that is quickly exploding! When Apple demoed the power of HTML5 with ads in iPhone OS 4 I have a feeling many company execs said, "why are we still paying for Flash?"
The highlight of any MacWorld Boston was always having dinner at Legal Seafood with Marc and Company. Good food; good friends; raucous laughter.
It was always the best part of the trip.
... and thanks for yours...
I never went to MW Boston, but I remember a MW SF (or was it the Computer Faire) where Marc gave a demonstration of tweening by imitating a frog jumping (across the stage).
Whenever I got to Boston, I'd be sure to visit Legal, Jimmy's Harborside and Big Elsie's for a buuh-guuh!
Flash Player 10.1 for Android is still on schedule for H1, no slippage... can you guys please correct the record, amend the article to state that there is no slippage.
The confusion started when an interview with Adobe?s CEO Shantanu Narayen was misinterpreted. He said that Android devices with Flash Player 10.1 preinstalled will start shipping in H2.
It?s perfectly normal that devices with Flash Player preinstalled ship a little bit later than the actual release. That said, Flash Player 10.1 will also be available in the Android Market, on our website and/or via an OTA update of the OS. If you already own a recent Android device like the Nexus One, you will be able to download and install Flash Player yourself.
The confusion started when an interview with Adobe?s CEO Shantanu Narayen was misinterpreted. He said that Android devices with Flash Player 10.1 preinstalled will start shipping in H2.
It?s perfectly normal that devices with Flash Player preinstalled ship a little bit later than the actual release. That said, Flash Player 10.1 will also be available in the Android Market, on our website and/or via an OTA update of the OS. If you already own a recent Android device like the Nexus One, you will be able to download and install Flash Player yourself.
First, do Adobe evangelists make official announcements for Adobe? If not, then that quote is not from Adobe. Second, I watched the interview. Narayen did not say 'preinstalled'. That said, I don't take what he said in the interview as an official announcement of schedule slippage so really this is much ado about nothing.
I never went to MW Boston, but I remember a MW SF (or was it the Computer Faire) where Marc gave a demonstration of tweening by imitating a frog jumping (across the stage).
Whenever I got to Boston, I'd be sure to visit Legal, Jimmy's Harborside and Big Elsie's for a buuh-guuh!
Ahh, fun times!
.
Ah, the Computer Faire. Back in the Dark Ages when Oborne's and Commodore 64's ruled the aisles, and well before Moscone Center was even dreamt of....
People keep saying that - and I keep asking the same question. What will Flash do that existing open technologies (not just html 5, but all the other available web tools) won't do? Before you answer, watch Jobs' Toy Story iAad demo.
So far, NO ONE has given a single thing that Flash does that can't be done with open technologies that don't drain your battery and crash your computer.
Well, you did mis-quote me. I was saying that the video tag could potentially kill the embed tag. That's the real debate.
And as for the draining the battery/crashing your computer argument.. Any multimedia playback drains your battery and any memory leak from any program can crash a computer. I think that argument is a convenient excuse for people who don't really understand the scope of the debate.
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Now, they see that little edifice starting to crumble as people are seeing that Flash is really a lousy technology and switching to alternatives. Adobe has a choice: either admit the problems and improve the product or spew FUD to tray to make it look like Apple is the bad guy. Since they're apparently incapable of the former, FUD is all they have left.
I think that the whole thing is being hyped up by everyone but Adobe and Apple.
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Yes, if Adobe were a forward-thinking company, the latest version of CS would have fully implemented html 5 (yes, I realize that the standard isn't finalized but that doesn't mean they can use it and correct any minor changes with point upgrades later). They could continue to lead the way with their development tools, but apparently are more attached to Flash than their development tools.
What are you talking about? I assume you're speaking about including the HTML5 specification in dreamweaver? Or.. what? It doesn't seem like you have any technical knowledge of the situation at all, because some elements of the new HTML5's tags are recognized by Dreamweaver -- but seriously, who uses Dreamweaver's browser to check their code? I code, then test in Firefox.
The implementation of HTML5 rests on browser developers, Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft, Opera, etc.
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When Apple demoed the power of HTML5 with ads in iPhone OS 4 I have a feeling many company execs said, "why are we still paying for Flash?"
Not necessarily. You can still animate in flash and export it as a video and use HTML5's video tag to show it, which I imagine most people will do.
Flash Player 10.1 for Android is still on schedule for H1, no slippage... can you guys please correct the record, amend the article to state that there is no slippage.
It looks more like spin doctoring desperation to get out from the CEO having hoof and mouth disease. The most comical of these is Eric Zeman's "Everyone Is Getting The Flash 10.1 Story Wrong" article in Information Week where he implies "If Adobe delivers Flash 10.1 on June 30 exactly" they have met their original target. How desperate is that?!?
Even more pathetic is if you go back to when Adobe had the first half target (as in the Feb 15, 2010 mocoNews: article "Adobe Flash 10.1 Coming To Phones In First Half; 250 Million By 2012" it was stated "It will be able to run on some of the faster smartphones out there today, including Verizon?s Droid and the Nexus One. By the end of the year, 10 percent of devices are expected to be able to support Flash."
HTML5 is supposed to eliminate the need for Flash so who does this help Adobe?
HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. Adobe makes money from selling software for creation, not from the Flash plugin. If Adobe made FLash Professional and Dreamweaver use HTML5 with a a Flash fallback for older systems or mobile systems they are still making money from selling the content creation software.
HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. Adobe makes money from selling software for creation, not from the Flash plugin. If Adobe made FLash Professional and Dreamweaver use HTML5 with a a Flash fallback for older systems or mobile systems they are still making money from selling the content creation software.
Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of?!?
Man just WHAT are you smoking?!?
Go and look at some Kisekae JS files and see what JS was able to do with older versions of HTML nearly five freaking years ago. Sheesh.
Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of?!?
Man just WHAT are you smoking?!?
Go and look at some Kisekae JS files and see what JS was able to do with older versions of HTML nearly five freaking years ago. Sheesh.
Really now? So webcode can't Flash for video or audio streaming? So webcode can't replace Flash when it comes to simple animations? There is plenty of evidence that this is already happening so I'm not sure what you are smoking, but you'd apparently had to much.
Really now? So webcode can't Flash for video or audio streaming? So webcode can't replace Flash when it comes to simple animations? There is plenty of evidence that this is already happening so I'm not sure what you are smoking, but you'd apparently had to much.
Your claim was "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of."
Video or audio streaming as they stand now pretty much require a plug in to run regardless of it being QT, Flash, WMP, or any other popular format. So this is a non starter.
Simple animations? Can you say "animated GIF"? I knew you could.
It would be safe to say about 75% o what Flash is used for now was done with HTML 2.0, animated GIF back when the internet started taking off. Trying to claim HTML5, CSS or JS can't replicate what was done with far older methods demonstrates either cluelessness, ignorance, or plain bullheaded blindness.
Your claim was "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of."
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Can't begin to replace Flash? Come on let's be real here.
I see what is going on here. Despite the the rest of my comments supporting the same position you are taking, my exclusion of the word everything changed the meaning of the single sentence you focused on. Just look at the previous sentence for proof of that, "HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option."
I see what is going on here. Despite the the rest of my comments supporting the same position you are taking, my exclusion of the word everything changed the meaning of the single sentence you focused on. Just look at the previous sentence for proof of that, "HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option."
Explain how the second line "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. " fits with the first.
Explain how the second line "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. " fits with the first.
"HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace EVERYTHING Flash is capable of."
"HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace EVERYTHING Flash is capable of."
Sorry solipsism but your original words were "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of." You did NOT have an EVERYTHING in it and I hold you to your original statement and that is what you must explain.
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in the end it doesn't matter because even if it was out, it won't be on the ipad. partly because of the bug and batteries and partly because
Adobe is trying to counter the bug stuff by saying that it works great on X, Y and Z platforms so the issues are all on Apple's side. And yet they don't have the product on the market so they have no actual data to back themselves up. At least with this latest version. And the fact that they are having issues getting a full version of Flash 10 out on any mobile OS is not going to help audience perception. The most issues and delays they have the more folks might start to believe that Apple has a point. At least among the non tech heads that want something that is cost effective and won't give them headaches with crashes, battery wipeouts etc
Start, the perception has already begun. Many of the big names on the market are already moving rapidly in the direction of HMTL5 for iPhone/iTouch/iPad, they can't afford to wait months to capitalize on a market that is quickly exploding! When Apple demoed the power of HTML5 with ads in iPhone OS 4 I have a feeling many company execs said, "why are we still paying for Flash?"
When Apple demoed the power of HTML5 with ads in iPhone OS 4 I have a feeling many company execs said, "why are we still paying for Flash?"
Exactly.
Wow, thanks for the memories.
The highlight of any MacWorld Boston was always having dinner at Legal Seafood with Marc and Company. Good food; good friends; raucous laughter.
It was always the best part of the trip.
... and thanks for yours...
I never went to MW Boston, but I remember a MW SF (or was it the Computer Faire) where Marc gave a demonstration of tweening by imitating a frog jumping (across the stage).
Whenever I got to Boston, I'd be sure to visit Legal, Jimmy's Harborside and Big Elsie's for a buuh-guuh!
Ahh, fun times!
.
So it turns out this is all a complete misunderstanding.... please read: http://www.webkitchen.be/2010/04/19/...or-h1-release/
Flash Player 10.1 for Android is still on schedule for H1, no slippage... can you guys please correct the record, amend the article to state that there is no slippage.
Obviously this won't be happening.
The confusion started when an interview with Adobe?s CEO Shantanu Narayen was misinterpreted. He said that Android devices with Flash Player 10.1 preinstalled will start shipping in H2.
It?s perfectly normal that devices with Flash Player preinstalled ship a little bit later than the actual release. That said, Flash Player 10.1 will also be available in the Android Market, on our website and/or via an OTA update of the OS. If you already own a recent Android device like the Nexus One, you will be able to download and install Flash Player yourself.
Quote from Adobe:
The confusion started when an interview with Adobe?s CEO Shantanu Narayen was misinterpreted. He said that Android devices with Flash Player 10.1 preinstalled will start shipping in H2.
It?s perfectly normal that devices with Flash Player preinstalled ship a little bit later than the actual release. That said, Flash Player 10.1 will also be available in the Android Market, on our website and/or via an OTA update of the OS. If you already own a recent Android device like the Nexus One, you will be able to download and install Flash Player yourself.
First, do Adobe evangelists make official announcements for Adobe? If not, then that quote is not from Adobe. Second, I watched the interview. Narayen did not say 'preinstalled'. That said, I don't take what he said in the interview as an official announcement of schedule slippage so really this is much ado about nothing.
... and thanks for yours...
I never went to MW Boston, but I remember a MW SF (or was it the Computer Faire) where Marc gave a demonstration of tweening by imitating a frog jumping (across the stage).
Whenever I got to Boston, I'd be sure to visit Legal, Jimmy's Harborside and Big Elsie's for a buuh-guuh!
Ahh, fun times!
.
Ah, the Computer Faire. Back in the Dark Ages when Oborne's and Commodore 64's ruled the aisles, and well before Moscone Center was even dreamt of....
People keep saying that - and I keep asking the same question. What will Flash do that existing open technologies (not just html 5, but all the other available web tools) won't do? Before you answer, watch Jobs' Toy Story iAad demo.
So far, NO ONE has given a single thing that Flash does that can't be done with open technologies that don't drain your battery and crash your computer.
Well, you did mis-quote me. I was saying that the video tag could potentially kill the embed tag. That's the real debate.
And as for the draining the battery/crashing your computer argument.. Any multimedia playback drains your battery and any memory leak from any program can crash a computer. I think that argument is a convenient excuse for people who don't really understand the scope of the debate.
Now, they see that little edifice starting to crumble as people are seeing that Flash is really a lousy technology and switching to alternatives. Adobe has a choice: either admit the problems and improve the product or spew FUD to tray to make it look like Apple is the bad guy. Since they're apparently incapable of the former, FUD is all they have left.
I think that the whole thing is being hyped up by everyone but Adobe and Apple.
Yes, if Adobe were a forward-thinking company, the latest version of CS would have fully implemented html 5 (yes, I realize that the standard isn't finalized but that doesn't mean they can use it and correct any minor changes with point upgrades later). They could continue to lead the way with their development tools, but apparently are more attached to Flash than their development tools.
What are you talking about? I assume you're speaking about including the HTML5 specification in dreamweaver? Or.. what? It doesn't seem like you have any technical knowledge of the situation at all, because some elements of the new HTML5's tags are recognized by Dreamweaver -- but seriously, who uses Dreamweaver's browser to check their code? I code, then test in Firefox.
The implementation of HTML5 rests on browser developers, Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft, Opera, etc.
When Apple demoed the power of HTML5 with ads in iPhone OS 4 I have a feeling many company execs said, "why are we still paying for Flash?"
Not necessarily. You can still animate in flash and export it as a video and use HTML5's video tag to show it, which I imagine most people will do.
So it turns out this is all a complete misunderstanding.... please read: http://www.webkitchen.be/2010/04/19/...or-h1-release/
Too late. It no longer makes any difference.
Oddly, this puts Adobe in the catbird seat. They could spearhead the delivery of services, tools and procedures to:
-- migrate existing Flash to HTML5
-- maintain compatibility to legacy Flash sites.
HTML5 is supposed to eliminate the need for Flash so who does this help Adobe?
The second part is a real problem as there is still old Flash out there.
So it turns out this is all a complete misunderstanding.... please read: http://www.webkitchen.be/2010/04/19/...or-h1-release/
Flash Player 10.1 for Android is still on schedule for H1, no slippage... can you guys please correct the record, amend the article to state that there is no slippage.
It looks more like spin doctoring desperation to get out from the CEO having hoof and mouth disease. The most comical of these is Eric Zeman's "Everyone Is Getting The Flash 10.1 Story Wrong" article in Information Week where he implies "If Adobe delivers Flash 10.1 on June 30 exactly" they have met their original target. How desperate is that?!?
Even more pathetic is if you go back to when Adobe had the first half target (as in the Feb 15, 2010 mocoNews: article "Adobe Flash 10.1 Coming To Phones In First Half; 250 Million By 2012" it was stated "It will be able to run on some of the faster smartphones out there today, including Verizon?s Droid and the Nexus One. By the end of the year, 10 percent of devices are expected to be able to support Flash."
HTML5 is supposed to eliminate the need for Flash so who does this help Adobe?
HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. Adobe makes money from selling software for creation, not from the Flash plugin. If Adobe made FLash Professional and Dreamweaver use HTML5 with a a Flash fallback for older systems or mobile systems they are still making money from selling the content creation software.
HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. Adobe makes money from selling software for creation, not from the Flash plugin. If Adobe made FLash Professional and Dreamweaver use HTML5 with a a Flash fallback for older systems or mobile systems they are still making money from selling the content creation software.
Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of?!?
Man just WHAT are you smoking?!?
Go and look at some Kisekae JS files and see what JS was able to do with older versions of HTML nearly five freaking years ago. Sheesh.
Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of?!?
Man just WHAT are you smoking?!?
Go and look at some Kisekae JS files and see what JS was able to do with older versions of HTML nearly five freaking years ago. Sheesh.
Really now? So webcode can't Flash for video or audio streaming? So webcode can't replace Flash when it comes to simple animations? There is plenty of evidence that this is already happening so I'm not sure what you are smoking, but you'd apparently had to much.
Really now? So webcode can't Flash for video or audio streaming? So webcode can't replace Flash when it comes to simple animations? There is plenty of evidence that this is already happening so I'm not sure what you are smoking, but you'd apparently had to much.
Your claim was "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of."
Video or audio streaming as they stand now pretty much require a plug in to run regardless of it being QT, Flash, WMP, or any other popular format. So this is a non starter.
Simple animations? Can you say "animated GIF"? I knew you could.
It would be safe to say about 75% o what Flash is used for now was done with HTML 2.0, animated GIF back when the internet started taking off. Trying to claim HTML5, CSS or JS can't replicate what was done with far older methods demonstrates either cluelessness, ignorance, or plain bullheaded blindness.
Here is one what you can do right now with JS: Glass Tesseract Animation and Gordon.js
Here is entire page of what CSS can do
Can't begin to replace Flash? Come on let's be real here.
Your claim was "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of."
[...]
Can't begin to replace Flash? Come on let's be real here.
I see what is going on here. Despite the the rest of my comments supporting the same position you are taking, my exclusion of the word everything changed the meaning of the single sentence you focused on. Just look at the previous sentence for proof of that, "HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option."
I see what is going on here. Despite the the rest of my comments supporting the same position you are taking, my exclusion of the word everything changed the meaning of the single sentence you focused on. Just look at the previous sentence for proof of that, "HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option."
Explain how the second line "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. " fits with the first.
Explain how the second line "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of. " fits with the first.
"HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace EVERYTHING Flash is capable of."
"HTML5 is evolving to make aspects of Flash obsolete or, to be more precise, the less efficient option. Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace EVERYTHING Flash is capable of."
Sorry solipsism but your original words were "Nothing in HTML5, CSS or JS can begin to replace what Flash is capable of." You did NOT have an EVERYTHING in it and I hold you to your original statement and that is what you must explain.