We do need specific clarification - will pre-orders arrive on the 30th? Many of us ship to the office to avoid having to wait around at home to provide signature. But, if the product is going to arrive Saturday, we need to change the ship address back to our homes.
IMHO - Apple should reward pre-orders with delivery on Friday - giving those folks a few hours of fun before the store launch at 5pm.
I did some more research, and the Wall Street Journal as well as PC World both quote a source from Apple stating that those who pre-ordered their 3g iPad before 04/19/10 will receive them the same day as the stores (04/30/10).
Good news! I'll assume it's true unless an Apple rep states otherwise.
Just because you didn't understand what unlocked means doesn't make the fact that it is unlocked misleading.
The whole thing is rubbish. Where does Apple get off forcing people to deal with AT&T? You might be able to justify this in the phone space, but this thing is supposed to be a successor to the netbook, which works with any service.
It is what it is and I accept it and will stay with my MacBook pro, but please don't defend this "unlocked doesn't really mean unlocked." business.
The whole thing is rubbish. Where does Apple get off forcing people to deal with AT&T? You might be able to justify this in the phone space, but this thing is supposed to be a successor to the netbook, which works with any service.
It is what it is and I accept it and will stay with my MacBook pro, but please don't defend this "unlocked doesn't really mean unlocked." business.
WTF kind of logic is that?
No one is forcing you to deal with AT&T
This isn't a successor to netbooks, but if it was, note that nearly all netbooks are WIFi-only, with the few with built-in 3G being sold by carriers. Where else can you use a Verizon Dell Mini or Acer Aspire?
The iPad 3G is unlocked! There is no quasi-locking or quasi-unlocking going on.
What the iPad 3G doesn't have is all the other HW to support all the other carriers. It supports GSM/3GSM on the 3 bands that are most common throughout the world.
Remember also that this uses the micro size SIM which no other carrier uses.
That isn't true, either! MicroSIM isn't some proprietary technology. It's available to all vendors and all carriers, but the carrier supporting it is irrelevant, since it's the device that gets the card. To my chagrin, it uses the exact same connector plate as the current MiniSIM so taking a pair of scissors to your current SIM card will work with new standard, but this isn't an issue many will face as SIMs tend to come with phones or carriers will have them.
Products that use them and carriers that currently distribute them...
This is not the first time you've used ambiguous phrasing on this topic. Please make it more clear as this is obviously not understood by many readers.
A suggestion...
Additionally, to be more clear you can append...
I don't think the iPad 3G will work on T-Mobile in the U.S. at all until they start issuing micro-SIMs. My understanding is that T-Mo does not currently use micro-SIM chips.
And the whole incompatibility thing is really T-Mo's fault, not Apple's or AT&T's. They're the ones that chose to buy spectrum in the 1700MHz range, no? And I don't think chipsets that support both AT&T's and T-Mobile's U.S. 3G networks are common if they exist at all.
EDIT:
I stand corrected, I guess T-Mo U.S. is using micro-SIMs. So if EDGE is your thing, go for it.
It wouldn't appear that there was any attempt at logic, just a lot of misdirected rage.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
That isn't true, either! MicroSIM isn't some proprietary technology. It's available to all vendors and all carriers...
So that, for example, if I take my 3G iPad, normally residing in the US, to Europe, all I have to do to use it is get a MicroSIM card from a provider there and sign up for service, without needing to have it unlocked first because it already is.
Next they'll be complaining that it's not really "unlocked" because they can't use it on Verizon's network.
I don't think the iPad 3G will work on T-Mobile in the U.S. at all until they start issuing micro-SIMs. My understanding is that T-Mo does not currently use micro-SIM chips.
And the whole incompatibility thing is really T-Mo's fault, not Apple's or AT&T's. They're the ones that chose to buy spectrum in the 1700MHz range, no? And I don't think chipsets that support both AT&T's and T-Mobile's U.S. 3G networks are common if they exist at all.
It's just a SIM form factor, it has no barring on their use of the 1700MHz band over more common spectrums.
The 3G iPad will work on T-Mobile USA, but only GPRS/EDGE, just like any iPhone currently works for data.
The only thing preventing devices from supporting T-Mobile USA as well as the rest of the GSM world is the addition of a 4th WCDMA power amp radio.
Here is a diagram of the 3GS layout. Note the three purple chips along the left side. Each of these supports a different 3G band. The Infineon X-Gold chip these connect to can support at least 4 and maybe 5 3G radios at once.
So that, for example, if I take my 3G iPad, normally residing in the US, to Europe, all I have to do to use it is get a MicroSIM card from a provider there and sign up for service, without needing to have it unlocked first because it already is.
To further that example, if the carrier only has the typical MiniSIM, a pair of scissors will quickly allow you to trim it to size.
Boy, when Apple says "late April," they really mean it. Can't get any later than the 30th.
Iirc, they promised it to "begin shipping" in late April. So that process will be underway well before the 30th. Kind of impressive to have so many delivered on the same day. I guess that reduces the phone center workload from people hysterical because "my cousin from Poukeepsie got theirs yesterday at 2:52 p.m. and mine isn't here yet what is wrong with my order, OMG!!"
But yeah, historically Apple has been quite literal. "By Summer" means the equinox, "3rd quarter" means Sept 30, and "End of February" depends on whether or not it's a Leap Year.
This isn't a successor to netbooks, but if it was, note that nearly all notebooks are WIFi-only, with the few with built-in 3G being sold by carriers. Where else can you use a Verizon Dell Mini or Acer Aspire?
The iPad 3G is unlocked! There is no quasi-locking or unlocking going on.
What the iPad 3G doesn't have is all the other HW to support all the other carriers. It supports GSM/3GSM on the 3 bands that are most common throughout the world.
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We do need specific clarification - will pre-orders arrive on the 30th? Many of us ship to the office to avoid having to wait around at home to provide signature. But, if the product is going to arrive Saturday, we need to change the ship address back to our homes.
IMHO - Apple should reward pre-orders with delivery on Friday - giving those folks a few hours of fun before the store launch at 5pm.
I did some more research, and the Wall Street Journal as well as PC World both quote a source from Apple stating that those who pre-ordered their 3g iPad before 04/19/10 will receive them the same day as the stores (04/30/10).
Good news! I'll assume it's true unless an Apple rep states otherwise.
Edit: Sources:
PC World - Apple iPad 3g Release
http://www.pcworld.com/article/19458..._april_30.html
My MBP is counting down to oblivion!
... and that 30 Apr delivery will make us a 3 iPad family, though discovering that the whole 'unlocked' claims were misleading is disheartening.
Just because you didn't understand what unlocked means doesn't make the fact that it is unlocked misleading.
Just because you didn't understand what unlocked means doesn't make the fact that it is unlocked misleading.
The whole thing is rubbish. Where does Apple get off forcing people to deal with AT&T? You might be able to justify this in the phone space, but this thing is supposed to be a successor to the netbook, which works with any service.
It is what it is and I accept it and will stay with my MacBook pro, but please don't defend this "unlocked doesn't really mean unlocked." business.
The whole thing is rubbish. Where does Apple get off forcing people to deal with AT&T? You might be able to justify this in the phone space, but this thing is supposed to be a successor to the netbook, which works with any service.
It is what it is and I accept it and will stay with my MacBook pro, but please don't defend this "unlocked doesn't really mean unlocked." business.
WTF kind of logic is that?
Remember also that this uses the micro size SIM which no other carrier uses.
That isn't true, either! MicroSIM isn't some proprietary technology. It's available to all vendors and all carriers, but the carrier supporting it is irrelevant, since it's the device that gets the card. To my chagrin, it uses the exact same connector plate as the current MiniSIM so taking a pair of scissors to your current SIM card will work with new standard, but this isn't an issue many will face as SIMs tend to come with phones or carriers will have them.Products that use them and carriers that currently distribute them...
Dear AI staff,
This is not the first time you've used ambiguous phrasing on this topic. Please make it more clear as this is obviously not understood by many readers.
A suggestion...
Additionally, to be more clear you can append...
I don't think the iPad 3G will work on T-Mobile in the U.S. at all until they start issuing micro-SIMs. My understanding is that T-Mo does not currently use micro-SIM chips.
And the whole incompatibility thing is really T-Mo's fault, not Apple's or AT&T's. They're the ones that chose to buy spectrum in the 1700MHz range, no? And I don't think chipsets that support both AT&T's and T-Mobile's U.S. 3G networks are common if they exist at all.
EDIT:
I stand corrected, I guess T-Mo U.S. is using micro-SIMs. So if EDGE is your thing, go for it.
WTF kind of logic is that? ...
It wouldn't appear that there was any attempt at logic, just a lot of misdirected rage.
That isn't true, either! MicroSIM isn't some proprietary technology. It's available to all vendors and all carriers...
So that, for example, if I take my 3G iPad, normally residing in the US, to Europe, all I have to do to use it is get a MicroSIM card from a provider there and sign up for service, without needing to have it unlocked first because it already is.
Next they'll be complaining that it's not really "unlocked" because they can't use it on Verizon's network.
I don't think the iPad 3G will work on T-Mobile in the U.S. at all until they start issuing micro-SIMs. My understanding is that T-Mo does not currently use micro-SIM chips.
And the whole incompatibility thing is really T-Mo's fault, not Apple's or AT&T's. They're the ones that chose to buy spectrum in the 1700MHz range, no? And I don't think chipsets that support both AT&T's and T-Mobile's U.S. 3G networks are common if they exist at all.
It's just a SIM form factor, it has no barring on their use of the 1700MHz band over more common spectrums.
The 3G iPad will work on T-Mobile USA, but only GPRS/EDGE, just like any iPhone currently works for data.
The only thing preventing devices from supporting T-Mobile USA as well as the rest of the GSM world is the addition of a 4th WCDMA power amp radio.
Here is a diagram of the 3GS layout. Note the three purple chips along the left side. Each of these supports a different 3G band. The Infineon X-Gold chip these connect to can support at least 4 and maybe 5 3G radios at once.
So that, for example, if I take my 3G iPad, normally residing in the US, to Europe, all I have to do to use it is get a MicroSIM card from a provider there and sign up for service, without needing to have it unlocked first because it already is.
To further that example, if the carrier only has the typical MiniSIM, a pair of scissors will quickly allow you to trim it to size.
Boy, when Apple says "late April," they really mean it. Can't get any later than the 30th.
I imagine they wanted it to come out on the weekend, like the WiFi model.
Boy, when Apple says "late April," they really mean it. Can't get any later than the 30th.
Iirc, they promised it to "begin shipping" in late April. So that process will be underway well before the 30th. Kind of impressive to have so many delivered on the same day. I guess that reduces the phone center workload from people hysterical because "my cousin from Poukeepsie got theirs yesterday at 2:52 p.m. and mine isn't here yet what is wrong with my order, OMG!!"
But yeah, historically Apple has been quite literal. "By Summer" means the equinox, "3rd quarter" means Sept 30, and "End of February" depends on whether or not it's a Leap Year.
Just because you didn't understand what unlocked means doesn't make the fact that it is unlocked misleading.
Whatever...
Whatever...
What an intelligent retort!
You're just wrong. Period. There is no two ways about it. Accept it, own up to it, and move on, like a grown-up.
Apple announced on Tuesday that its 3G-capable iPads will be delivered to U.S. customers who have preordered on Friday, April 30.
Does this mean my pre-order will arrive at my door on the 30th, or is it shipping from the warehouse on that day?
WTF kind of logic is that?
Exactly.
Does this mean my pre-order will arrive at my door on the 30th, or is it shipping from the warehouse on that day?
There is nothing unambiguous about AI's original sentence.
And, what's the need to yell? You think that you'll get more attention?