Agreed. The A4 chip (or whatever A class chip Apple will use) was most likely made with power efficiency in mind. Considering that the new laptops and iPad have staggeringly long battery life, one would expect the iPhone to follow suit.
Yes, but the iPad has a 25Whr battery and gets 10 hours, so that works out to 2.5Watts per hour. Sure, the iPhone has a smaller screen, and will likely be clocked a little slower, but I'm not sure the savings will support an A4 chip. Look at the Whr on that battery, it's 5.25. That's 1/5th the amount in the iPad. If it used 2.5Watts per hour like the iPad, you'd only get 2 hrs out of it. Of course, it won't use that much, but still, I don't think an underclocked A4 will work.
I've learned that it's difficult to predict what the average consumer will do. They may take all flash pictures, as those dumb dumbs at sporting events do. There's no thought behind what is done most of the time, and the phone may turn the flash on automatically in dim light.
Does a falsh for a single picture use a lot? Would this be a Xenon flash giving everything a bluish glow?
Would they even let you have the flash on constantly for the video camera? This could get easily abused if you need a flashlight.
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You may have to go to settings to change that. I can see Apple doing it that way, because Apple wants things to come out as well as they can for the consumer, so that they don't have to worry about it.
That makes sense.
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From what we've been reading, it looks like a 5 MP camera, though now I've read something suggesting that it may actually be 8, as the lens is bigger, and the assumption is that the chip is bigger, allowing more pixels, especially if that sensor is a backlit one as seems may be the case.
The new Droid has an 8Mpx camera. I don't care what Apple does with the pixel count but I sure hope that the camera takes better pictures. I'd also like to see the night-vision-like or very-lo-light video I've seen with other small phone cameras.
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What I'd like to see is stabilization, and hope, hope, hope?a zoom lens, not just digital zoom, oops, I mean cropping.
Does a falsh for a single picture use a lot? Would this be a Xenon flash giving everything a bluish glow?
Would they even let you have the flash on constantly for the video camera? This could get easily abused if you need a flashlight.
It's got to be an LED. Phillips makes high efficiency, high output LEDs for this very purpose, and a few phone manufacturers are using them.
The new Droid has an 8Mpx camera. I don't care what Apple does with the pixel count but I sure hope that the camera takes better pictures. I'd also like to see the night-vision-like or very-lo-light video I've seen with other small phone cameras.[/quote]
If the sensor is backlit, then it's almost a full stop more sensitive. If it's bigger, then more sensitivity from that. So more pixels could be done.
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The 5x digital zoom in iPhone OS v4.0 is a joke.
Well, to be honest, while I never call it a zoom, because its just cropping out the outside pixels, it could be useful for people. Most pictures taken with phones end up on Facebook, or other social sites, where resolution isn't important. If the new camera has a much higher resolution sensor, then even going to 5x would be useful for those small low rez pictures. really, think about what you do with your phone pics. If you send them to someone else with a phone, it really only needs to be 480 x 320, or even with the newest phones 854 x 480. That's a pretty low rez sensor; 410,000 pixels. 480 x 320 is only 153,600! Even if the new phone is 960 x 640 as rumored, that's still just about 614,000.
So a 5x "zoom" would be fine for almost everyone. If you start out with 5MP, you still get a pic that's much higher rez than even the best screen. If you start with 8...
Realistically, if you want better pictures, buy a small, cheap compact camera. In a couple of years, that may not be required if we get a good 8MP with stabilization and a 3 times zoom lens.
You've never seen what a flash can do with a camera before you saw what the Droid could do in a dark bar?
Really?
No, of course I've seen camera flashes. I was referring to flash on a phone. Prior to the iPhone I had a Samsung phone with a flash. It was useless. I figured newer ones would be better, but the Droid's was very powerful and comparable to a low end dedicated camera.
I felt that disclosing the looks of the new device was bad, but revealing the insides after Apple asked for it to be returned is crossing the line here.
Hope Apple has a case and sues Gizmodo to the very last cent.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
The moment I saw the new design I couldn't help but think the back would be a secondary multi touch surface. But I guess the tear-down would have revealed that by now.
The moment I saw the new design I couldn't help but think the back would be a secondary multi touch surface. But I guess the tear-down would have revealed that by now.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Other producers play catch up, iPhone is the leader here
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Removable battery.. I think they're instead thinking different and try and maximize the capacity of the battery, while shrinking the electronics and constantly optimizing the OS for low power consumption, and increasing durability with a sturdier design. I understand Apple here. I imagine not too many people are walking around with spare batteries in their pockets in case of a hike or long phone sessions on the go. And they who constantly do I'm sure wouldn't mind buying an external battery pack.
The flash seems to be there now, so, congratulations
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive.
Apple has, over the last year and a bit, started putting IPS LCD panels in all their devices from the iMac to the iPhone. These are by far, the very best type of screen you can get today and were previously only available in the ACD's, (considered for many years to be the best or as good as the best screen money can buy).
OLED screens are poorer at colour reproduction, offer poorer image quality in direct sunlight, and are more expensive than the currently used screen.
Changing to an IPS panel would be a huge improvement and quite likely. Changing to an OLED would be a huge disadvantage and simply won't happen. Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
You are frankly completely missing the point and assuming everyone wants the same as you. I don't want a removable battery thanks. I had a Samsung smartphone years ago which, yes, did have more features than the first iphone. However, the execution of those features was appalling and that is where iphone wins. Not all consumers are stupid despite what Balmer or whoever says about the iphone. It is obviously a winning formula for so many sales and to claim the customers are not demanding enough because they don't have the same demands as yourself is arrogant to the point of absurdity.
Well now they've done Apple even more damage by showing Google the insides. It's one thing to blow the whistle on a company that's doing something wrong, but to take somebody's good work and blithely show it to their competitors is quite another.
If we get a OLED screen and improved components (read, more energy efficient) then battery life could very well improve.
It's a myth that OLED displays are more efficient. The full story is more complicated than that. Conventional displays are constantly backlit and consume the same amount of power no matter what's being shown on screen. OLEDs generate light at the pixel level. When they're showing dark images their power consumption is reduced, but with bright images it's high. So relative efficiency is a solid "it depends."
However the OLED displays currently used on mobile devices are unimpressive. Colour rendition is garish and usability in high ambient light is poor. Apple cares too much about user experience to use OLEDs at this stage of the technology.
I'd expect somewhat better speed and efficiency from the electronics in the next iPhone—perhaps 15%? Couple that with the larger battery and it could add up to a substantial 30% plus improvement in battery run time. With custom silicon and advanced power management technology Apple might even do better than that.
Apple has been very focused on mobile device battery run time of late: look at the laptops.
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive.
Apple has, over the last year and a bit, started putting IPS LCD panels in all their devices from the iMac to the iPhone. These are by far, the very best type of screen you can get today and were previously only available in the ACD's, (considered for many years to be the best or as good as the best screen money can buy).
OLED screens are poorer at colour reproduction, offer poorer image quality in direct sunlight, and are more expensive than the currently used screen.
Changing to an IPS panel would be a huge improvement and quite likely. Changing to an OLED would be a huge disadvantage and simply won't happen. Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Exactly. They promote OLED because the average person doesn't know what it is and the marketing makes it sound great. Explain to them the disadvantages and they are left with the logical question of "why would I pay more for less?"....of course the logical answer would be "Well, hasn't that always been the MS way?"
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Agreed. The A4 chip (or whatever A class chip Apple will use) was most likely made with power efficiency in mind. Considering that the new laptops and iPad have staggeringly long battery life, one would expect the iPhone to follow suit.
Yes, but the iPad has a 25Whr battery and gets 10 hours, so that works out to 2.5Watts per hour. Sure, the iPhone has a smaller screen, and will likely be clocked a little slower, but I'm not sure the savings will support an A4 chip. Look at the Whr on that battery, it's 5.25. That's 1/5th the amount in the iPad. If it used 2.5Watts per hour like the iPad, you'd only get 2 hrs out of it. Of course, it won't use that much, but still, I don't think an underclocked A4 will work.
I've learned that it's difficult to predict what the average consumer will do. They may take all flash pictures, as those dumb dumbs at sporting events do. There's no thought behind what is done most of the time, and the phone may turn the flash on automatically in dim light.
Does a falsh for a single picture use a lot? Would this be a Xenon flash giving everything a bluish glow?
Would they even let you have the flash on constantly for the video camera? This could get easily abused if you need a flashlight.
You may have to go to settings to change that. I can see Apple doing it that way, because Apple wants things to come out as well as they can for the consumer, so that they don't have to worry about it.
That makes sense.
From what we've been reading, it looks like a 5 MP camera, though now I've read something suggesting that it may actually be 8, as the lens is bigger, and the assumption is that the chip is bigger, allowing more pixels, especially if that sensor is a backlit one as seems may be the case.
The new Droid has an 8Mpx camera. I don't care what Apple does with the pixel count but I sure hope that the camera takes better pictures. I'd also like to see the night-vision-like or very-lo-light video I've seen with other small phone cameras.
What I'd like to see is stabilization, and hope, hope, hope?a zoom lens, not just digital zoom, oops, I mean cropping.
The 5x digital zoom in iPhone OS v4.0 is a joke.
Does a falsh for a single picture use a lot? Would this be a Xenon flash giving everything a bluish glow?
Would they even let you have the flash on constantly for the video camera? This could get easily abused if you need a flashlight.
It's got to be an LED. Phillips makes high efficiency, high output LEDs for this very purpose, and a few phone manufacturers are using them.
The new Droid has an 8Mpx camera. I don't care what Apple does with the pixel count but I sure hope that the camera takes better pictures. I'd also like to see the night-vision-like or very-lo-light video I've seen with other small phone cameras.[/quote]
If the sensor is backlit, then it's almost a full stop more sensitive. If it's bigger, then more sensitivity from that. So more pixels could be done.
The 5x digital zoom in iPhone OS v4.0 is a joke.
Well, to be honest, while I never call it a zoom, because its just cropping out the outside pixels, it could be useful for people. Most pictures taken with phones end up on Facebook, or other social sites, where resolution isn't important. If the new camera has a much higher resolution sensor, then even going to 5x would be useful for those small low rez pictures. really, think about what you do with your phone pics. If you send them to someone else with a phone, it really only needs to be 480 x 320, or even with the newest phones 854 x 480. That's a pretty low rez sensor; 410,000 pixels. 480 x 320 is only 153,600! Even if the new phone is 960 x 640 as rumored, that's still just about 614,000.
So a 5x "zoom" would be fine for almost everyone. If you start out with 5MP, you still get a pic that's much higher rez than even the best screen. If you start with 8...
Realistically, if you want better pictures, buy a small, cheap compact camera. In a couple of years, that may not be required if we get a good 8MP with stabilization and a 3 times zoom lens.
You've never seen what a flash can do with a camera before you saw what the Droid could do in a dark bar?
Really?
No, of course I've seen camera flashes. I was referring to flash on a phone. Prior to the iPhone I had a Samsung phone with a flash. It was useless. I figured newer ones would be better, but the Droid's was very powerful and comparable to a low end dedicated camera.
Hope Apple has a case and sues Gizmodo to the very last cent.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
The moment I saw the new design I couldn't help but think the back would be a secondary multi touch surface. But I guess the tear-down would have revealed that by now.
may be in 5g?
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Other producers play catch up, iPhone is the leader here
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
Removable battery.. I think they're instead thinking different and try and maximize the capacity of the battery, while shrinking the electronics and constantly optimizing the OS for low power consumption, and increasing durability with a sturdier design. I understand Apple here. I imagine not too many people are walking around with spare batteries in their pockets in case of a hike or long phone sessions on the go. And they who constantly do I'm sure wouldn't mind buying an external battery pack.
The flash seems to be there now, so, congratulations
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive.
Apple has, over the last year and a bit, started putting IPS LCD panels in all their devices from the iMac to the iPhone. These are by far, the very best type of screen you can get today and were previously only available in the ACD's, (considered for many years to be the best or as good as the best screen money can buy).
OLED screens are poorer at colour reproduction, offer poorer image quality in direct sunlight, and are more expensive than the currently used screen.
Changing to an IPS panel would be a huge improvement and quite likely. Changing to an OLED would be a huge disadvantage and simply won't happen. Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Like the yellow iMacs.
Time for APPLE to put some widely needed features in their next IPHONE. One example would be a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. I'm sure nobody would object to that and APPLE would make extra $$ selling spare batteries.
Apple needs to catch up with the features that many phones have had for years. It's rediculous to think that the camera has no LED flash. I remember my cellphone back in 2003 had an LED FLASH.
Unfortunately APPLES customers aren't demanding enough and settle. There's no reason APPLE can't play catch up in a timely fashion.
You are frankly completely missing the point and assuming everyone wants the same as you. I don't want a removable battery thanks. I had a Samsung smartphone years ago which, yes, did have more features than the first iphone. However, the execution of those features was appalling and that is where iphone wins. Not all consumers are stupid despite what Balmer or whoever says about the iphone. It is obviously a winning formula for so many sales and to claim the customers are not demanding enough because they don't have the same demands as yourself is arrogant to the point of absurdity.
The larger battery will be negated by a faster processor. I think the battery life will stay about the same.
The extra pixels ( 4x?) might need more power than the current one too. I agree, the battery life will remain about the same
If we get a OLED screen and improved components (read, more energy efficient) then battery life could very well improve.
It's a myth that OLED displays are more efficient. The full story is more complicated than that. Conventional displays are constantly backlit and consume the same amount of power no matter what's being shown on screen. OLEDs generate light at the pixel level. When they're showing dark images their power consumption is reduced, but with bright images it's high. So relative efficiency is a solid "it depends."
However the OLED displays currently used on mobile devices are unimpressive. Colour rendition is garish and usability in high ambient light is poor. Apple cares too much about user experience to use OLEDs at this stage of the technology.
I'd expect somewhat better speed and efficiency from the electronics in the next iPhone—perhaps 15%? Couple that with the larger battery and it could add up to a substantial 30% plus improvement in battery run time. With custom silicon and advanced power management technology Apple might even do better than that.
Apple has been very focused on mobile device battery run time of late: look at the laptops.
There is not going to be an OLED screen. For starters, they suck (they aren't as attractive or adaptable to different environments as the screens they currently use), and they are more expensive.
Apple has, over the last year and a bit, started putting IPS LCD panels in all their devices from the iMac to the iPhone. These are by far, the very best type of screen you can get today and were previously only available in the ACD's, (considered for many years to be the best or as good as the best screen money can buy).
OLED screens are poorer at colour reproduction, offer poorer image quality in direct sunlight, and are more expensive than the currently used screen.
Changing to an IPS panel would be a huge improvement and quite likely. Changing to an OLED would be a huge disadvantage and simply won't happen. Companies like Microsoft like to use them because the average user (being, you know .. average), doesn't know that the colour reproduction is awful and actually *like* the over-saturated over-contrasty look. Apple on the other hand makes quality products for the discerning eye.
Exactly. They promote OLED because the average person doesn't know what it is and the marketing makes it sound great. Explain to them the disadvantages and they are left with the logical question of "why would I pay more for less?"....of course the logical answer would be "Well, hasn't that always been the MS way?"
Is Gizmodo not in the fire now that they've posted more of Apples trade secrets after being informed of ownership?
AI published the pics too. Are they too in the fire?