This experience reminds me of that. For sure when I get my iphone 4g it will be with Bell and I will let fido know why I'm canceling. I have a long memory when it comes to bad service. Apple has already made us wait a month. This is like the bad old days when Apple computers weren't available in Canada until months after their introduction date. Once again, I have no choice but to wait, but I won't forget this.
I can imagine that it would be disappointing, but it's really not the end of the world. Waiting a bit is not always a bad thing. In any case I don't really think we should expect to have products introduced simultaneously. There are just so many regulatory bodies to deal with that I am amazed that they can even sell them in so many countries. I am sure you are aware of the chaos that exists in distribution of media (ebooks, music, movies, tv shows, etc...). These are products that are crossing boundaries and when countries keep insisting on sovereignty you are going to have difficulties.
I guess Canada will simply have to decide how much independence it wants. You can't have a very sparsely populated country expecting similar shipping rates, having hidden taxes, CRTC regulatory agencies, etc... and expect to have access to foreign products instantly.
I can just hear the complaints over the iBook store content being different or the lack of access to Netflix.
We are both Rogers and Bell customers. Both have been fine.
I can imagine that it would be disappointing, but it's really not the end of the world. Waiting a bit is not always a bad thing. In any case I don't really think we should expect to have products introduced simultaneously. There are just so many regulatory bodies to deal with that I am amazed that they can even sell them in so many countries. I am sure you are aware of the chaos that exists in distribution of media (ebooks, music, movies, tv shows, etc...). These are products that are crossing boundaries and when countries keep insisting on sovereignty you are going to have difficulties.
I guess Canada will simply have to decide how much independence it wants. You can't have a very sparsely populated country expecting similar shipping rates, having hidden taxes, CRTC regulatory agencies, etc... and expect to have access to foreign products instantly.
I can just hear the complaints over the iBook store content being different or the lack of access to Netflix.
We are both Rogers and Bell customers. Both have been fine.
philip
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
Isn't it strange that Apple doesn't provide an app for buying from the Apple Store? Since I have to get up at 3 am to order my iPad, it would be so much more convenient to turn to my iphone that I keep by my bedside rather than getting up to order from my iMac.
I mean we don't even know for sure that ordering will be available at 3 am and yet I have to get up and go to my computer just to check for it? Why on earth hasn't Apple thought to come out with an app for their own store?
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
I've lived in quite a few places on earth. If you think Canada stinks then you need to move to another planet.
I am not a Canadian nationalist, or a strong believer in sovereignty, but your attitude strikes me as that of someone who only wants to take, There are reasons for the way books, media, etc...are distributed in Canada. In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
You might want to think that freedom has no restrictions and responsibilities. Like I said, I am not a strong believer in the notion of sovereignty and nationalism in general, but your attitude is reprehensible.
The online store went to it's usual update mode about a quarter to midnight and wasn't back up when I finally gave up about an hour later. I woke up about 3:30AM and it was accepting orders so I ordered two.
Softbank is playing filthy as usual and to get the 3G model you have to order on a 24-month plan. They even have a way to wring money out of those buying the WiFi-only model if you decide to use their installment plan.
WiMax is becoming widely available in Japan (40MB/10MB) at plans starting at as little as 380 yen per month and topping off at 4980 yen. Softbank charges 3200 yen for unreliable 3G. Needless to say, I opted for the WiFi model.
One thing Softbank is apparently offering all new iPad owners is free access to their WiFi hotspots available at railway stations, airports, on the bullet train and of course McDonald's.
If the time of posting is right, orders went live in the UK around 2am.
I woke early at 5.30am and have place my order for a 32GB 3G + Wifi.
Interesting that it seems from the price plan details, only O2 allows sign-up from the iPad itself, and whichever one you chose, they charge you 20p for a micro SIM!
Data plan details are only shown further on in the store process - see image linked below.
I've lived in quite a few places on earth. If you think Canada stinks then you need to move to another planet.
I am not a Canadian nationalist, or a strong believer in sovereignty, but your attitude strikes me as that of someone who only wants to take, There are reasons for the way books, media, etc...are distributed in Canada. In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
You might want to think that freedom has no restrictions and responsibilities. Like I said, I am not a strong believer in the notion of sovereignty and nationalism in general, but your attitude is reprehensible.
philip
Really? I think that your attitude is reprehensible. People have a right to choose not to be American. They have a right to choose to buy Canadian books and watch Canadian TV and movies. That's their right. Where are my rights? I don't want to have my tax dollars used to subsidize bad TV, bad movies and bad books. I only want to pay for what I choose, but the government forces me to pay taxes to support things I don't want to buy and then makes it illegal for me to buy alternatives. That isn't independence, that's fascism.
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
What planet are you from?
Canada is widely recognised as one of the most civilised and nicest places to live on earth. Even in the US, Canadian cities regularly win those "most liveable" contests, and Canada is generally thought of as an excellent safe, civilised vacation destination. It's basically the same as the USA but without the guns.
There are no draconian laws taking away your "freedom," and we have a constitution and bill of rights that gives you more rights and freedoms than the average US citizen does. The government doesn't tell people what to watch or buy, nor do they take any of your tax dollars to support TV stations. CBC pays it's own way (which is why it has so much crap shows but that's another issue entirely).
I think that the policy is that they charge your card when the product ships. Probably 2 or 3 days before, but if you pay your credit card 5 days ahead you will most likely be safe
[...] maxed.
Cheers. Selling my xbox for this. Well, I got two too many. See, Apple loyals have more disposal income than usual PC users. We're suckers for Apple products because we can...
Interesting that it seems from the price plan details, only O2 allows sign-up from the iPad itself, and whichever one you chose, they charge you 20p for a micro SIM!
Data plan details are only shown further on in the store process - see image linked below.
I chose Orange tariff as I find they're better priced and suits my need. Vodafone only have 2 offerings and it is quoted per month for the lowest ie. 250MB. O2 meanwhile is the dearest if you want the occassional use tariff. Coverage for all 3 are fine where I live.
Its now well past midnight in Canada on May 10 and we still can't pre-order the iPad. I guess Apple lied about it being available today in Canada.
Another disappointment. I'll have to wait for an announcement for when I can actually order it. Maybe the demand in the U.K. and Germany was too much so we get short-changed again.
It aint midnight yet in BC. Sorry - but you east coaster just gotta wait for them to catch up to you.
In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
philip
Philip
I appreciate where you are coming from philosophically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so until the San Andreas fault moves to the border and splits the continent apart.
Just called the main city store of Myer (they have Apple Stores inside them) in Brisbane, Australia to place a pre-order. They aren't taking preorders for the 3G model, and it's almost 4.30pm here, yet I was the first person to place a preorder for the 64Gb model. I kinda expected a bit more interest, unless everyone is just ordering through Apple directly. That surprised me.
I chose Orange tariff as I find they're better priced and suits my need. Vodafone only have 2 offerings and it is quoted per month for the lowest ie. 250MB. O2 meanwhile is the dearest if you want the occassional use tariff. Coverage for all 3 are fine where I live.
I may be missing something here, but why do you think is O2 the dearest? they are doing 500MB for a day for £2, and their monthly plan is the same as Orange.
I've had to use my Macbook via tethering for the past two months, paying O2 £10 a month for 3GB - I never thought it would be enough to last me but it's been OK as long as I don't download the iPhone SDK etc.
I appreciate where you are coming from philosophically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so until the San Andreas fault moves to the border and splits the continent apart.
Respectfully,
jmmx
jmmx
I appreciate where you are coming from geologically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so despite where the San Andreas fault moves to as the continent will not split apart along the current artificial boundaries.
Respectfully,
solipsism
Seriously though, I am sure he was using America as a terse form of United States of America, which I find completely acceptable when referring to countries.
It's beginning to look like everybody will have an iPad before the iPad "killers" even make it to market. When you have a brilliant product combined with marketing genius it's pretty hard for others to compete. Some may have a good product but mediocre marketing. Others may have great marketing but a substandard product and you can only pile so much lipstick on a pig.
We'll see what happens when the so-called "killers" become available but it isn't looking good right now for the also rans. One thing is for damn sure, the Apple haters are completely apoplectic at this point. They are so enraged they can't get the words out in the right order. They're looking and sounding pretty pathetic lately, grabbing at any negative news or rumors. Desperation is setting in and, like any cornered animal, they are wildly lashing out.
Well, all the other big players, Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, whatever... They've had pretty much the whole year up till now to get their sh*t together. What have they done? Let's see. Half-assed nonsense vapourware at CES. Months and months since the iPad was actually demonstrated in full glory with all the details laid bare. It's almost June and everyone is still stuck trying to push netbooks, not a single major manufacturer/brand has EVEN TRIED to put out ANY KIND OF TABLET.
By the time competitors even get their act together (and no thanks to Microsoft for still thinking/ not offering an alternative to Windows 7 and/or Windows Mobile as something worthwhile for tablets) ... Hmm
Canada is widely recognised as one of the most civilised and nicest places to live on earth. Even in the US, Canadian cities regularly win those "most liveable" contests, and Canada is generally thought of as an excellent safe, civilised vacation destination. It's basically the same as the USA but without the guns.
There are no draconian laws taking away your "freedom," and we have a constitution and bill of rights that gives you more rights and freedoms than the average US citizen does. The government doesn't tell people what to watch or buy, nor do they take any of your tax dollars to support TV stations. CBC pays it's own way (which is why it has so much crap shows but that's another issue entirely).
Don't know if these posted prices are officially from Apple. Apple France sells the base model for 499 euros not 479 euros as officially stated. I preordered mine before even noticing the figures. Apple France sucks!!
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This experience reminds me of that. For sure when I get my iphone 4g it will be with Bell and I will let fido know why I'm canceling. I have a long memory when it comes to bad service. Apple has already made us wait a month. This is like the bad old days when Apple computers weren't available in Canada until months after their introduction date. Once again, I have no choice but to wait, but I won't forget this.
I can imagine that it would be disappointing, but it's really not the end of the world. Waiting a bit is not always a bad thing. In any case I don't really think we should expect to have products introduced simultaneously. There are just so many regulatory bodies to deal with that I am amazed that they can even sell them in so many countries. I am sure you are aware of the chaos that exists in distribution of media (ebooks, music, movies, tv shows, etc...). These are products that are crossing boundaries and when countries keep insisting on sovereignty you are going to have difficulties.
I guess Canada will simply have to decide how much independence it wants. You can't have a very sparsely populated country expecting similar shipping rates, having hidden taxes, CRTC regulatory agencies, etc... and expect to have access to foreign products instantly.
I can just hear the complaints over the iBook store content being different or the lack of access to Netflix.
We are both Rogers and Bell customers. Both have been fine.
philip
I can imagine that it would be disappointing, but it's really not the end of the world. Waiting a bit is not always a bad thing. In any case I don't really think we should expect to have products introduced simultaneously. There are just so many regulatory bodies to deal with that I am amazed that they can even sell them in so many countries. I am sure you are aware of the chaos that exists in distribution of media (ebooks, music, movies, tv shows, etc...). These are products that are crossing boundaries and when countries keep insisting on sovereignty you are going to have difficulties.
I guess Canada will simply have to decide how much independence it wants. You can't have a very sparsely populated country expecting similar shipping rates, having hidden taxes, CRTC regulatory agencies, etc... and expect to have access to foreign products instantly.
I can just hear the complaints over the iBook store content being different or the lack of access to Netflix.
We are both Rogers and Bell customers. Both have been fine.
philip
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
I mean we don't even know for sure that ordering will be available at 3 am and yet I have to get up and go to my computer just to check for it? Why on earth hasn't Apple thought to come out with an app for their own store?
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
I've lived in quite a few places on earth. If you think Canada stinks then you need to move to another planet.
I am not a Canadian nationalist, or a strong believer in sovereignty, but your attitude strikes me as that of someone who only wants to take, There are reasons for the way books, media, etc...are distributed in Canada. In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
You might want to think that freedom has no restrictions and responsibilities. Like I said, I am not a strong believer in the notion of sovereignty and nationalism in general, but your attitude is reprehensible.
philip
Softbank is playing filthy as usual and to get the 3G model you have to order on a 24-month plan. They even have a way to wring money out of those buying the WiFi-only model if you decide to use their installment plan.
WiMax is becoming widely available in Japan (40MB/10MB) at plans starting at as little as 380 yen per month and topping off at 4980 yen. Softbank charges 3200 yen for unreliable 3G. Needless to say, I opted for the WiFi model.
One thing Softbank is apparently offering all new iPad owners is free access to their WiFi hotspots available at railway stations, airports, on the bullet train and of course McDonald's.
I woke early at 5.30am and have place my order for a 32GB 3G + Wifi.
Interesting that it seems from the price plan details, only O2 allows sign-up from the iPad itself, and whichever one you chose, they charge you 20p for a micro SIM!
Data plan details are only shown further on in the store process - see image linked below.
Image of UK data rates
I've lived in quite a few places on earth. If you think Canada stinks then you need to move to another planet.
I am not a Canadian nationalist, or a strong believer in sovereignty, but your attitude strikes me as that of someone who only wants to take, There are reasons for the way books, media, etc...are distributed in Canada. In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
You might want to think that freedom has no restrictions and responsibilities. Like I said, I am not a strong believer in the notion of sovereignty and nationalism in general, but your attitude is reprehensible.
philip
Really? I think that your attitude is reprehensible. People have a right to choose not to be American. They have a right to choose to buy Canadian books and watch Canadian TV and movies. That's their right. Where are my rights? I don't want to have my tax dollars used to subsidize bad TV, bad movies and bad books. I only want to pay for what I choose, but the government forces me to pay taxes to support things I don't want to buy and then makes it illegal for me to buy alternatives. That isn't independence, that's fascism.
Rogers stinks and so does Canada. We have all kinds of laws restricting our freedom. You can bet that there will be restrictions on book buying based on the nationality of the authors. I make a point of not buying Canadian books or movies just to spite the as*holes in government who tell us what we can and can't buy. I also refuse to watch Canadian TV. I only watch American TV pirated from Dish Network (since its against the law to buy it here).
I'm all for independence, but independence begins with the people, not the politicians and certainly not with the business interests who buy off the politicians.
What planet are you from?
Canada is widely recognised as one of the most civilised and nicest places to live on earth. Even in the US, Canadian cities regularly win those "most liveable" contests, and Canada is generally thought of as an excellent safe, civilised vacation destination. It's basically the same as the USA but without the guns.
There are no draconian laws taking away your "freedom," and we have a constitution and bill of rights that gives you more rights and freedoms than the average US citizen does. The government doesn't tell people what to watch or buy, nor do they take any of your tax dollars to support TV stations. CBC pays it's own way (which is why it has so much crap shows but that's another issue entirely).
I think that the policy is that they charge your card when the product ships. Probably 2 or 3 days before, but if you pay your credit card 5 days ahead you will most likely be safe
[...] maxed.
Cheers. Selling my xbox for this. Well, I got two too many. See, Apple loyals have more disposal income than usual PC users. We're suckers for Apple products because we can...
[...]
Interesting that it seems from the price plan details, only O2 allows sign-up from the iPad itself, and whichever one you chose, they charge you 20p for a micro SIM!
Data plan details are only shown further on in the store process - see image linked below.
Image of UK data rates
I chose Orange tariff as I find they're better priced and suits my need. Vodafone only have 2 offerings and it is quoted per month for the lowest ie. 250MB. O2 meanwhile is the dearest if you want the occassional use tariff. Coverage for all 3 are fine where I live.
Its now well past midnight in Canada on May 10 and we still can't pre-order the iPad. I guess Apple lied about it being available today in Canada.
Another disappointment. I'll have to wait for an announcement for when I can actually order it. Maybe the demand in the U.K. and Germany was too much so we get short-changed again.
It aint midnight yet in BC. Sorry - but you east coaster just gotta wait for them to catch up to you.
jmmx in Portland OR. (USA)
That isn't independence, that's fascism.
No it's called compromise ( between the "law of the jungle" and a "totalitarian state").
philip
In part they are related to the fact that many/most Canadians did not want to be part of America.
philip
Philip
I appreciate where you are coming from philosophically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so until the San Andreas fault moves to the border and splits the continent apart.
Respectfully,
jmmx
I chose Orange tariff as I find they're better priced and suits my need. Vodafone only have 2 offerings and it is quoted per month for the lowest ie. 250MB. O2 meanwhile is the dearest if you want the occassional use tariff. Coverage for all 3 are fine where I live.
I may be missing something here, but why do you think is O2 the dearest? they are doing 500MB for a day for £2, and their monthly plan is the same as Orange.
I've had to use my Macbook via tethering for the past two months, paying O2 £10 a month for 3GB - I never thought it would be enough to last me but it's been OK as long as I don't download the iPhone SDK etc.
Philip
I appreciate where you are coming from philosophically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so until the San Andreas fault moves to the border and splits the continent apart.
Respectfully,
jmmx
jmmx
I appreciate where you are coming from geologically. However, I am afraid that Canada most definitely IS part of America, and will remain so despite where the San Andreas fault moves to as the continent will not split apart along the current artificial boundaries.
Respectfully,
solipsism
Seriously though, I am sure he was using America as a terse form of United States of America, which I find completely acceptable when referring to countries.
Apple is doomed!™
Apple is not doomed (I know you're joking there) but seriously they're growing way too fast and things are getting real complicated outside the US.
There will be backlash but the popularity of anything Apple is so high across the world most people won't notice or will be willing to put up with it.
That said, the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS I have all have no issues. My Macbook Aluminium, however...
It's beginning to look like everybody will have an iPad before the iPad "killers" even make it to market. When you have a brilliant product combined with marketing genius it's pretty hard for others to compete. Some may have a good product but mediocre marketing. Others may have great marketing but a substandard product and you can only pile so much lipstick on a pig.
We'll see what happens when the so-called "killers" become available but it isn't looking good right now for the also rans. One thing is for damn sure, the Apple haters are completely apoplectic at this point. They are so enraged they can't get the words out in the right order. They're looking and sounding pretty pathetic lately, grabbing at any negative news or rumors. Desperation is setting in and, like any cornered animal, they are wildly lashing out.
Well, all the other big players, Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, whatever... They've had pretty much the whole year up till now to get their sh*t together. What have they done? Let's see. Half-assed nonsense vapourware at CES. Months and months since the iPad was actually demonstrated in full glory with all the details laid bare. It's almost June and everyone is still stuck trying to push netbooks, not a single major manufacturer/brand has EVEN TRIED to put out ANY KIND OF TABLET.
By the time competitors even get their act together (and no thanks to Microsoft for still thinking/ not offering an alternative to Windows 7 and/or Windows Mobile
What planet are you from?
Canada is widely recognised as one of the most civilised and nicest places to live on earth. Even in the US, Canadian cities regularly win those "most liveable" contests, and Canada is generally thought of as an excellent safe, civilised vacation destination. It's basically the same as the USA but without the guns.
There are no draconian laws taking away your "freedom," and we have a constitution and bill of rights that gives you more rights and freedoms than the average US citizen does. The government doesn't tell people what to watch or buy, nor do they take any of your tax dollars to support TV stations. CBC pays it's own way (which is why it has so much crap shows but that's another issue entirely).