So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
If so?
Who cares?
Apple doesn't seem to care.
Mac users are growing, looking by the number of switchers.
Judging by the price of the majority of PCs out there for Apple to still sell Macs like candies it is a miracle. Which is a proof that people who buy Macs do buy it because of the same reason Apple haters would Not buy a thing by Apple.
Or you think only dumb people buy Macs or anything Apple?
Computers are more that tools, they are extensions of oneself, at least for people lucky enough to judge by themselves.
I am sure most windows PC buyers do so because of ads and because of IT people advice.
So most of them will meet the Lady With The Hammer one day, and be Free!
I am sure they are are über geek type concerns that everyone knew about before purchasing. I have certainly heard a lot of buzz about the lack of a true file (shared) file system, getting files on and off, crashing the networks of lame universities, lack of printing, and a few other Appleonian things.
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
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So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
That would be a defensible argument IF the iPad were not a bridge category device and relies on iTunes to sync - platform independent. Among those I know who have purchased iPads (or in some cases expressed actionable interest in doing so) they are split roughly 50/50 between Mac users and PC users. Some of those had purchased netbooks and had previously expressed disappointment with the netbook physical format. Out of those groups, interestingly, most had bought the iPad to relieve use of their current computer (of either platform), and to stretch the use of an older PC or Mac before having to buy a new one. In other words, many of these acquaintances were augmenting their computer with an iPad (or replacing a poorly performing netbook), not replacing it. Of course this is anecdotal and your pool of contacts may have different behaviors and justifications.
One more additional item, a casual trip into my local Apple Store (where the bloody iPad tables were packed with people - two deep in some cases) let me ask around, and the same situation seemed to be in play there as well - about half the people messing around with iPads and expressing interest in buying one were PC users, the other half self-idenitifed as Mac users. Again your experience may be different, if you care to do the same sort of thing at your local Apple Store.
That would be a defensible argument IF the iPad were not a bridge category device and relies on iTunes to sync - platform independent.
Not quite . . . . There must be a few Linux users who are still looking for the command line so they can activate their iPad in the absence of iTunes for their platform.
I like Appleinsider a lot, but items like this make me cringe. It makes you look like the branch of the Apple Marketing dept. Or maybe I'm just naive, you guys don't work for Apple do you?
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If you got a problem with Apple products, how about stop reading the Apple news stories loser?
That's something that amazes me. Why people that have absolutely no interest in a subject feel compelled to sh*t on everything. I guess I can understand being more than critical on a general tech site but come on this is AppleInsider. Of course there's going to be a bias.
There's many things that I own/use that there's an us vs. them attitude but I've never wanted to put my two cents in on "their" forums. Why? I simply don't care enough about the other device to waste my time.
I use a Mac. I don't go to Windows specific sites and rag on their OS. I own a PS3 and I couldn't care less what's going on with the XBox 360..... etc.
That being said, as for the iPad. I got one. Love it.
So much for those statements of the "pundits" that the iPad would fail and demand would level off quickly after the initial fanboys bought them. See, it's appealing to more than just a niche. This is huge.
True!
I noticed on another thread one troll type has declared: I was wrong, tablets are a bad idea! Translation: Drat! It looks like Apple is going to win the tablet race before anyone else can join in, so, being a good troll, I will just write off the whole category!
Does anyone know where there is an iPad 3G IN STOCK?? For 2 weeks now I can't seem to get my hands on one! Checked multiple sellers but nothing is in stock. Maybe some of you know a good place to go to get the iPad 3G??
Well, we all know how reliable and trustworthy the ChangeWave® name is, so this information is unassailable.
SpamSandwich'es caustic tone aside, there IS one thing that ought to be included in every discussion of the results from ChangeWave:
The consumers surveyed by ChangeWave are members of the "ChangeWave Alliance" - a pool of volunteers who are carefully chosen (by-application-only) to represent leading-edge thinking. They are NOT chosen to be statistically representative of the general market, and are not intended to be.
So the meaning of the various adoption and preference rates that ChangeWave reports are NOT (and, again, are not intended to be) a simple statistical approximation of the (current) market at large. This is very different from 'most all other market data/surveys one sees.
The ChangeWave surveys ARE intended to illuminate trends. The quantitative statements (like "X% own an iPad so far" and "Y% intend to buy one soon") are still valuable and meaningful, but (mostly) in the context of comparing one ChangeWave survey to another ChangeWave survey (like their report that the pre-launch interest in the iPad was greater than the correspondingly-timed pre-launch interest in the iPhone).
Disclosure: I say all this as a member of said ChangeWave Alliance (who does not (yet) own an iPad ). I do not otherwise speak for them. Anyone interested in applying for membership (it's quite informative) can apply at their web site: http://alliance.changewave.com/
SpamSandwich'es caustic tone aside, there IS one thing that ought to be included in every discussion of the results from ChangeWave:
The consumers surveyed by ChangeWave are members of the "ChangeWave Alliance" - a pool of volunteers who are carefully chosen (by-application-only) to represent leading-edge thinking. They are NOT chosen to be statistically representative of the general market, and are not intended to be.
So the meaning of the various adoption and preference rates that ChangeWave reports are NOT (and, again, are not intended to be) a simple statistical approximation of the (current) market at large. This is very different from 'most all other market data/surveys one sees.
The ChangeWave surveys ARE intended to illuminate trends. The quantitative statements (like "X% own an iPad so far" and "Y% intend to buy one soon") are still valuable and meaningful, but (mostly) in the context of comparing one ChangeWave survey to another ChangeWave survey (like their report that the pre-launch interest in the iPad was greater than the correspondingly-timed pre-launch interest in the iPhone).
Disclosure: I say all this as a member of said ChangeWave Alliance (who does not (yet) own an iPad ). I do not otherwise speak for them. Anyone interested in applying for membership (it's quite informative) can apply at their web site: http://alliance.changewave.com/
i cannot wait to see the sale figures when ipad hits europe...they'll eat it up over there
Yep. As that beer ad (or was it some Republican Congressman?) says, they all carry man-purses over there...... (perfect size for toting an iPad; I am still in the market for a really rugged, but nice-looking and functional case with a handle/strap for mine!).
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
...
I think though once the Mac market gets done buying iPads it will be slow going for the PC crowd, they can get a better deal with a netbook or a laptop for the same prices.
Also PC makers are announcing tablet devices, they might chose to wait for better prices. A netbook goes for $300-$350, so a PC tablet should be about $200-$300.
So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
The Mac only thing is just not true. Apple devices sell on average about 50:50 between windows and PC users (many more PC users for the iPod non-itouch). The only thing you need is itunes so platform is irrelevant. 20% likely to buy any product that is not a staple consumer good is massive, especially at the iPod's price point.
There is not and will be no credible "PC Tablet" since Win7 will never be effective in this form factor within a timeframe that means anything to this market. Android tablets and maybe WebOS tablets will eventually have an impact but are still lagging significantly in many areas. For all the bravado about sales and features, Android still props up the bargain basement of smartphones (cliq, devour, galaxy, mytouch, eris), a fact often obscured by relatively low volume "superphones" (N1/EVO4G etc.) and from a consumer perspective is miles behind the iTunes ecosystem for ease of use, breadth of content and elegance of UI/usability. Nerds will disagree but their wallets don't count for much globally.
From the published reports from actual iPad users, I believe the netbook market will be eaten alive by tablets of all flavors and netbooks will become niche productivity tools for the small market that wants to do traditional productivity on a small/light/weak notebook. iPad is changing the metaphor for average computer use - 90% consumption 10% production (some email, facebook, photo uploads) does not need a netbook - it needs a Star Trek datapad. Traditional computers will become specialist productivity tools and docking stations, backup facilities for consumption devices.
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
Keeping things in perspective, 20% of 300 million is 60 million. Not that I expect sales anywhere near that, but capturing 20% of American consumers would be absolutely massive.
Looks like we're about half way through the Apple Success Denialists cha-cha (AKA Apple Cannot Succeed On Its Merits So Any Apparent Good News Must Be Explained Away):
-- The entire product concept is stupid and wrong and will fail utterly.
-- Early success is because Apple people will buy anything they're told to buy.
-- Accelerating success is because of Apple's mind control advertising and further amplification of the RDF.
-- Clones with better specs will prove that Apple is hopelessly out of date, conveniently ignoring the fact that Apple created the template in the first place and we were assured it was stupid.
There's a new wrinkle, though: people taking up the Google "free and open" sloganeering who want to paradoxically argue that everyone must be given "choice" so that "markets can decide", but simultaneously railing against people choosing Apple products, which is evidence that people are stupid and wrong.
Which is the Apple denialist endgame, I guess: if a lot or even most people choose Apple products, they are obliged to become embittered misanthropes, denouncing the human race itself as fatally flawed. Apple hatred cannot fail, it can only be failed.
Does anyone know where there is an iPad 3G IN STOCK?? For 2 weeks now I can't seem to get my hands on one! Checked multiple sellers but nothing is in stock. Maybe some of you know a good place to go to get the iPad 3G??
Your best bet is to order it from the Apple Store online. You can keep waiting and hoping for them to become available, but you're likely to be waiting another few weeks. If you had just ordered online, your unit might be on its way now instead of leaving you still wondering.
Not that online ordering necessarily means you'll get one soon. I know someone who ordered one from Apple. It "shipped" on Monday morning and was supposed to be delivered tomorrow. But according to Fedex tracking information at this very moment, it still hasn't even left China yet, sitting in Hong Kong for the last two days. Somehow, I don't think he's getting it tomorrow.
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So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
If so?
Who cares?
Apple doesn't seem to care.
Mac users are growing, looking by the number of switchers.
Judging by the price of the majority of PCs out there for Apple to still sell Macs like candies it is a miracle. Which is a proof that people who buy Macs do buy it because of the same reason Apple haters would Not buy a thing by Apple.
Or you think only dumb people buy Macs or anything Apple?
Computers are more that tools, they are extensions of oneself, at least for people lucky enough to judge by themselves.
I am sure most windows PC buyers do so because of ads and because of IT people advice.
So most of them will meet the Lady With The Hammer one day, and be Free!
I am sure they are are über geek type concerns that everyone knew about before purchasing. I have certainly heard a lot of buzz about the lack of a true file (shared) file system, getting files on and off, crashing the networks of lame universities, lack of printing, and a few other Appleonian things.
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
...
So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
That would be a defensible argument IF the iPad were not a bridge category device and relies on iTunes to sync - platform independent. Among those I know who have purchased iPads (or in some cases expressed actionable interest in doing so) they are split roughly 50/50 between Mac users and PC users. Some of those had purchased netbooks and had previously expressed disappointment with the netbook physical format. Out of those groups, interestingly, most had bought the iPad to relieve use of their current computer (of either platform), and to stretch the use of an older PC or Mac before having to buy a new one. In other words, many of these acquaintances were augmenting their computer with an iPad (or replacing a poorly performing netbook), not replacing it. Of course this is anecdotal and your pool of contacts may have different behaviors and justifications.
One more additional item, a casual trip into my local Apple Store (where the bloody iPad tables were packed with people - two deep in some cases) let me ask around, and the same situation seemed to be in play there as well - about half the people messing around with iPads and expressing interest in buying one were PC users, the other half self-idenitifed as Mac users. Again your experience may be different, if you care to do the same sort of thing at your local Apple Store.
Well, we all know how reliable and trustworthy the ChangeWave® name is, so this information is unassailable.
You are immensely consistent and reliable, which is why ignoring you brings me consistent amusement.
i cannot wait to see the sale figures when ipad hits europe...they'll eat it up over there
And that will be nothing compared to the gadget crazy Asian market.
That would be a defensible argument IF the iPad were not a bridge category device and relies on iTunes to sync - platform independent.
Not quite . . . . There must be a few Linux users who are still looking for the command line so they can activate their iPad in the absence of iTunes for their platform.
i cannot wait to see the sale figures when ipad hits europe...they'll eat it up over there
Europe?
I doubt.
Economic woes and lack of TV content (most of offers are from USA cable network)
I live in Portugal and i cannot see iPad selling much here.
Sony and Microsoft Rules in Portugal. Apple is looked at as punk (which Apple is, Really, Only in a Good Way).
Slow news day?
I like Appleinsider a lot, but items like this make me cringe. It makes you look like the branch of the Apple Marketing dept. Or maybe I'm just naive, you guys don't work for Apple do you?
If you got a problem with Apple products, how about stop reading the Apple news stories loser?
That's something that amazes me. Why people that have absolutely no interest in a subject feel compelled to sh*t on everything. I guess I can understand being more than critical on a general tech site but come on this is AppleInsider. Of course there's going to be a bias.
There's many things that I own/use that there's an us vs. them attitude but I've never wanted to put my two cents in on "their" forums. Why? I simply don't care enough about the other device to waste my time.
I use a Mac. I don't go to Windows specific sites and rag on their OS. I own a PS3 and I couldn't care less what's going on with the XBox 360..... etc.
That being said, as for the iPad. I got one. Love it.
So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
You are immensely consistent and reliable, which is why ignoring you brings me consistent amusement.
...too bad you're not very good at it!
So much for those statements of the "pundits" that the iPad would fail and demand would level off quickly after the initial fanboys bought them. See, it's appealing to more than just a niche. This is huge.
True!
I noticed on another thread one troll type has declared: I was wrong, tablets are a bad idea!
Well, we all know how reliable and trustworthy the ChangeWave® name is, so this information is unassailable.
SpamSandwich'es caustic tone aside, there IS one thing that ought to be included in every discussion of the results from ChangeWave:
The consumers surveyed by ChangeWave are members of the "ChangeWave Alliance" - a pool of volunteers who are carefully chosen (by-application-only) to represent leading-edge thinking. They are NOT chosen to be statistically representative of the general market, and are not intended to be.
So the meaning of the various adoption and preference rates that ChangeWave reports are NOT (and, again, are not intended to be) a simple statistical approximation of the (current) market at large. This is very different from 'most all other market data/surveys one sees.
The ChangeWave surveys ARE intended to illuminate trends. The quantitative statements (like "X% own an iPad so far" and "Y% intend to buy one soon") are still valuable and meaningful, but (mostly) in the context of comparing one ChangeWave survey to another ChangeWave survey (like their report that the pre-launch interest in the iPad was greater than the correspondingly-timed pre-launch interest in the iPhone).
Disclosure: I say all this as a member of said ChangeWave Alliance (who does not (yet) own an iPad
Paul Lustgarten
SpamSandwich'es caustic tone aside, there IS one thing that ought to be included in every discussion of the results from ChangeWave:
The consumers surveyed by ChangeWave are members of the "ChangeWave Alliance" - a pool of volunteers who are carefully chosen (by-application-only) to represent leading-edge thinking. They are NOT chosen to be statistically representative of the general market, and are not intended to be.
So the meaning of the various adoption and preference rates that ChangeWave reports are NOT (and, again, are not intended to be) a simple statistical approximation of the (current) market at large. This is very different from 'most all other market data/surveys one sees.
The ChangeWave surveys ARE intended to illuminate trends. The quantitative statements (like "X% own an iPad so far" and "Y% intend to buy one soon") are still valuable and meaningful, but (mostly) in the context of comparing one ChangeWave survey to another ChangeWave survey (like their report that the pre-launch interest in the iPad was greater than the correspondingly-timed pre-launch interest in the iPhone).
Disclosure: I say all this as a member of said ChangeWave Alliance (who does not (yet) own an iPad
Paul
Useful information -- thanks!
i cannot wait to see the sale figures when ipad hits europe...they'll eat it up over there
Yep. As that beer ad (or was it some Republican Congressman?) says, they all carry man-purses over there...... (perfect size for toting an iPad; I am still in the market for a really rugged, but nice-looking and functional case with a handle/strap for mine!).
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
...
I think though once the Mac market gets done buying iPads it will be slow going for the PC crowd, they can get a better deal with a netbook or a laptop for the same prices.
Also PC makers are announcing tablet devices, they might chose to wait for better prices. A netbook goes for $300-$350, so a PC tablet should be about $200-$300.
So what I'm thinking is the iPad will mostly be a Mac user thing.
The Mac only thing is just not true. Apple devices sell on average about 50:50 between windows and PC users (many more PC users for the iPod non-itouch). The only thing you need is itunes so platform is irrelevant. 20% likely to buy any product that is not a staple consumer good is massive, especially at the iPod's price point.
There is not and will be no credible "PC Tablet" since Win7 will never be effective in this form factor within a timeframe that means anything to this market. Android tablets and maybe WebOS tablets will eventually have an impact but are still lagging significantly in many areas. For all the bravado about sales and features, Android still props up the bargain basement of smartphones (cliq, devour, galaxy, mytouch, eris), a fact often obscured by relatively low volume "superphones" (N1/EVO4G etc.) and from a consumer perspective is miles behind the iTunes ecosystem for ease of use, breadth of content and elegance of UI/usability. Nerds will disagree but their wallets don't count for much globally.
From the published reports from actual iPad users, I believe the netbook market will be eaten alive by tablets of all flavors and netbooks will become niche productivity tools for the small market that wants to do traditional productivity on a small/light/weak notebook. iPad is changing the metaphor for average computer use - 90% consumption 10% production (some email, facebook, photo uploads) does not need a netbook - it needs a Star Trek datapad. Traditional computers will become specialist productivity tools and docking stations, backup facilities for consumption devices.
Keeping things in perspective, that means 80% are unlikely or not to get a iPad, but thats everyone, not just computer users exclusively.
Keeping things in perspective, 20% of 300 million is 60 million. Not that I expect sales anywhere near that, but capturing 20% of American consumers would be absolutely massive.
The iPhone is so much more than an eReader - it's a whole new category.
-- The entire product concept is stupid and wrong and will fail utterly.
-- Early success is because Apple people will buy anything they're told to buy.
-- Accelerating success is because of Apple's mind control advertising and further amplification of the RDF.
-- Clones with better specs will prove that Apple is hopelessly out of date, conveniently ignoring the fact that Apple created the template in the first place and we were assured it was stupid.
There's a new wrinkle, though: people taking up the Google "free and open" sloganeering who want to paradoxically argue that everyone must be given "choice" so that "markets can decide", but simultaneously railing against people choosing Apple products, which is evidence that people are stupid and wrong.
Which is the Apple denialist endgame, I guess: if a lot or even most people choose Apple products, they are obliged to become embittered misanthropes, denouncing the human race itself as fatally flawed. Apple hatred cannot fail, it can only be failed.
Does anyone know where there is an iPad 3G IN STOCK?? For 2 weeks now I can't seem to get my hands on one! Checked multiple sellers but nothing is in stock. Maybe some of you know a good place to go to get the iPad 3G??
Your best bet is to order it from the Apple Store online. You can keep waiting and hoping for them to become available, but you're likely to be waiting another few weeks. If you had just ordered online, your unit might be on its way now instead of leaving you still wondering.
Not that online ordering necessarily means you'll get one soon. I know someone who ordered one from Apple. It "shipped" on Monday morning and was supposed to be delivered tomorrow. But according to Fedex tracking information at this very moment, it still hasn't even left China yet, sitting in Hong Kong for the last two days. Somehow, I don't think he's getting it tomorrow.