That's your opinion--maybe you should make that clear next time, rather than speaking in absolutes. And, in my opinion, it does resemble the PSP somewhat.
You were expecting us to all agree with you. You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
It's true that relentless minimalism gives Apple fewer options for "holy shit" type case upgrades, but that doesn't mean that they can't continue to refine the details in ways that are compelling.
The thing about such refinement, however, is that it doesn't translate well to leaked pictures on the internet, with the payoff being when you actually touch and use the device.
Remember how folks were bitching about the bezel on the iPad? Don't really hear much of that now, I would say because once you pick one up it all makes sense.
The other thing about Apple's touch devices is that it's not really about the device, it's about the screen. The rest of it is just there to present the screen and get out of the way. The way the tech is moving is towards literally that-- nothing but a screen.
Which highlights an area that I think Apple could do a better job-- in what, exactly, you're seeing when you're just carrying your phone around. Currently the iPhone is associated with one of two images-- the unlock screen, with nothing but a wallpaper, slider and clock, or the home screen, with nothing but little tiles of apps.
Other touch handsets have moved to differentiate themselves with informative variants on the home screen, some of which are fairly appealing IMO. I think as case parts continue to become less important that the screen becomes more and more of the device, UI, graphics and software choices re what is displayed when you're not doing anything else will become more and more the "identity" of the phone and take on more and more importance in the consumer's mind.
Points taken, but here some more thoughts..
Because of Apple's crazy minimalism design in iPhone, thus create openings for third party manufacturers to create accessories for the aforementioned device. Such as case, skin, etc. It's something we all unconsciously like and love very much from Apple..
*gasp!* OMG, is that mean these leaks of the next iPhone is for real then..?!?
Something just bumped into my head when you say: "it's about the screen.", if Apple is to enhance the next iPhone then it'll be more into the screen, like giving it more pixels and IPS technology (like in the iPad's), then perhaps it's like the rumors have it that the name will be: iPhone HD..
And about that home screen of iPhone.. Well, we all want to change it and add things we'd like to see, but the thing is Steve Jobs doesn't approve this. He believes that the original design, the simple homescreen with those cute icons, is the best. So that's why unless we jailbreak our iPhone, we won't be able to change it with themes and add lots of widgets as we like.
So, I wouldn't put my hope too high on seeing customization option on the next iPhone's homescreen..
That's your opinion--maybe you should make that clear next time, rather than speaking in absolutes. And, in my opinion, it does resemble the PSP somewhat.
By virtue of the fact that your view differs from his view and that "looks" was expressly used indicates that it's an opinion.
It looks like a PSP in some regards, but so does an ice cream sandwich. For me to say it looks like something and post pictures of it I'd have to think that the resemblance was uncanny and/or it would need to be somewhat confusing to consumers, like some Chinese knockoffs. I think neither of those is the case.
There are plenty of other, more relevant examples of touch-based phones with a metal rim and black plastic on either side that "look" more like the G4 iPhone than the PSP.... and that is a fact.
As far as a bunch of different colors go, I think that's out.
Fir one, they would require carrying too many versions. This raises the manufacturing costs, as no one color will be made in larger quantities. Stores just HATE having so many different colors. Anyone remember when Apple and Best Buy fought so many years ago about the four colors the original iMacs came in? Apple insisted that retailers buy one of each color when ordering. Best Buy, correctly said that if certain colors didn't sell as well, as the orange and red or green, I forget which didn't, then they wanted to have to option of ordering more of the models that did sell well. Apple insisted they couldn't, so Best Buy stopped selling Apple products for years. That hurt Apple's sales, because at the time, Best buy sold over 5% of Apple's computers. That's a big number.
So what would happen to the phones if Apple has them in five or ten colors? I don't see it happening. iPods are different. They are smaller, cheaper, are replaced more often, and are more a fashion statement than a phone is. They're also bought by kids more than the more expensive phones are. I know people who have several, in different colors, to go with what they wear.
True to a point, but how many different Android phones is HTC shipping at the moment? Differentiated by what? And how many is Best Buy willing to stock?
If Apple made a lot of different iPhones with slightly different case designs and specs would it be easier for Best Buy to cover their action as opposed to just changing up the case colors?
Now I agree with you that Apple would be unwise to pull an iMac and try to offer multi-color iPhones while insisting that vendors stock them all in equal numbers. I doubt that HTC demands that if you carry one you have to carry them all. I just think it's a bit of a misdirection to assume that multiple colors presents an insurmountable stocking challenge, when other manufacturers in effect go the multiple color route just by offering endless model choices with only slight differentiation.
4th Gen iPhone colors: Black, BREAKING AppleInsider Story! White!
Assuming something, knowing it and seeing it are very different.
By your argument AI shouldn't post about the G5 iPhone next year with four previous years of iPhones being released. It's only a story if Apple stops making iPhones. Nor should they post about the incremental changes their products receive periodically.
Heh. You know, I had sort of forgotten that they even offered the current white model. I wonder what the sales breakdown looks like?
I almost forgot too! I hate the current white one. The front and back don't match, which is why I like the white 4G model as much as the black 4G model.
True to a point, but how many different Android phones is HTC shipping at the moment? Differentiated by what? And how many is Best Buy willing to stock?
If Apple made a lot of different iPhones with slightly different case designs and specs would it be easier for Best Buy to cover their action as opposed to just changing up the case colors?
Now I agree with you that Apple would be unwise to pull an iMac and try to offer multi-color iPhones while insisting that vendors stock them all in equal numbers. I doubt that HTC demands that if you carry one you have to carry them all. I just think it's a bit of a misdirection to assume that multiple colors presents an insurmountable stocking challenge, when other manufacturers in effect go the multiple color route just by offering endless model choices with only slight differentiation.
One of the reasons why most of these manufacturers, including HTC, aren't making profits like Apple is, is because there are too many models. While coming out in a bunch of different colors isn't the same thing as having 24 different phones, it does add to the cost, and to the packaging, and to the shipping, storage, shelf space, and so on.
In addition, I really don't believe that the smartphone market is like the iPod market. How many people really want all these colors? Probably not very many. After all, Apple isn't trying to sell phones based on colors. I'd be willing to bet that if someone was going to buy an iPhone in orange, they would also buy it in black or white if they were the only alternatives. So what is Apple losing by not doing that? Likely less than they would spend to do it.
I almost forgot too! I hate the current white one. The front and back don't match, which is why I like the white 4G model as much as the black 4G model.
For the 3G it was a strategic buy since it only came in the largest capacity.
You were expecting us to all agree with you. You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me, I'm not the OP. I was just commenting on your curt response which I find irritating, especially when there are clear similarities.
One of the reasons why most of these manufacturers, including HTC, aren't making profits like Apple is, is because there are too many models.
Case in point, Motorola making a financial comeback by focusing on a limited group of profitable smartphones.
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In addition, I really don't believe that the smartphone market is like the iPod market. How many people really want all these colors? Probably not very many.
I agree with that. It's about the experience. Plus, it seems many use a case on their iPhone but not their iPods.
I think colors will come, but a saturation of the device and/or a cheaper version will have to happen, similar to the iPod Nano and Shuffle, not the flagship device.
I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me, I'm not the OP. I was just commenting on your curt response which I find irritating, especially when there are clear similarities.
Should I have had to write a paragraph pointing out all the differences? If you want, I can do that, as there are so many.
Others have agreed with me, with just as short a response, and as definitely as mine. Are you now going to respond to all of them with the same amount of frustration? Yes, mine was the first, but it's not the only.
The white home button is recessed, implying that the white front panel is laid onto top of a fully assembled unit. So what's the color of the unit underneath? It wouldn't be black because Apple would not have a black iPhone with a white home button.
I'd give this photo at least a 50% chance of being bogus.
That was another guy who replied to you, not me. Keep track of who's talking to you
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You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
Who's the touchy one? Mr brief comment, or Mr Paragraph-and-a-half?
And BTW, when I copied the URL from its original website, the image appeared to be sized reasonably. Did not know it was that big until after the post, and even still, it looked fine on my monitor (I have a 1600px wide display)
Case in point, Motorola making a financial comeback by focusing on a limited group of profitable smartphones.
I agree with that. It's about the experience. Plus, it seems many use a case on their iPhone but not their iPods.
I think colors will come, but a saturation of the device and/or a cheaper version will have to happen, similar to the iPod Nano and Shuffle, not the flagship device.
I believe that the cases are the way people will want to differentiate themselves. It's better than buying a phone in one color, then deciding a month later that it was a mistake. It's better buying a colored, or decorated case for $20, so they can change it as they like.
Getting the phone in a neutral color allows one to do what they like with it, and it doesn't clash with anything. A phone is a more serious device than an iPod for most people. It's one thing if you pop a green iPod out than a green phone.
That was another guy who replied to you, not me. Keep track of who's talking to you
Who's the touchy one? Mr brief comment, or Mr Paragraph-and-a-half?
And BTW, when I copied the URL from its original website, the image appeared to be sized reasonably. Did not know it was that big until after the post, and even still, it looked fine on my monitor (I have a 1600px wide display)
Yes, you're right. I didn't keep track. The response was so much like a poster would make to a response to their own comment though.
I'm just trying to keep it easy to read. Most people don't keep the column that wide, even on a large display. I have 1920 across myself, but as many do, I have another program open at the same time. So a wide image requires us to open the window up to see all of it, or to slide it over. Its not a criticism, just a suggestion for the future.
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That's your opinion--maybe you should make that clear next time, rather than speaking in absolutes. And, in my opinion, it does resemble the PSP somewhat.
You were expecting us to all agree with you. You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
It's true that relentless minimalism gives Apple fewer options for "holy shit" type case upgrades, but that doesn't mean that they can't continue to refine the details in ways that are compelling.
The thing about such refinement, however, is that it doesn't translate well to leaked pictures on the internet, with the payoff being when you actually touch and use the device.
Remember how folks were bitching about the bezel on the iPad? Don't really hear much of that now, I would say because once you pick one up it all makes sense.
The other thing about Apple's touch devices is that it's not really about the device, it's about the screen. The rest of it is just there to present the screen and get out of the way. The way the tech is moving is towards literally that-- nothing but a screen.
Which highlights an area that I think Apple could do a better job-- in what, exactly, you're seeing when you're just carrying your phone around. Currently the iPhone is associated with one of two images-- the unlock screen, with nothing but a wallpaper, slider and clock, or the home screen, with nothing but little tiles of apps.
Other touch handsets have moved to differentiate themselves with informative variants on the home screen, some of which are fairly appealing IMO. I think as case parts continue to become less important that the screen becomes more and more of the device, UI, graphics and software choices re what is displayed when you're not doing anything else will become more and more the "identity" of the phone and take on more and more importance in the consumer's mind.
Points taken, but here some more thoughts..
Because of Apple's crazy minimalism design in iPhone, thus create openings for third party manufacturers to create accessories for the aforementioned device. Such as case, skin, etc. It's something we all unconsciously like and love very much from Apple..
*gasp!* OMG, is that mean these leaks of the next iPhone is for real then..?!?
Something just bumped into my head when you say: "it's about the screen.", if Apple is to enhance the next iPhone then it'll be more into the screen, like giving it more pixels and IPS technology (like in the iPad's), then perhaps it's like the rumors have it that the name will be: iPhone HD..
And about that home screen of iPhone.. Well, we all want to change it and add things we'd like to see, but the thing is Steve Jobs doesn't approve this. He believes that the original design, the simple homescreen with those cute icons, is the best. So that's why unless we jailbreak our iPhone, we won't be able to change it with themes and add lots of widgets as we like.
So, I wouldn't put my hope too high on seeing customization option on the next iPhone's homescreen..
That's your opinion--maybe you should make that clear next time, rather than speaking in absolutes. And, in my opinion, it does resemble the PSP somewhat.
By virtue of the fact that your view differs from his view and that "looks" was expressly used indicates that it's an opinion.
It looks like a PSP in some regards, but so does an ice cream sandwich. For me to say it looks like something and post pictures of it I'd have to think that the resemblance was uncanny and/or it would need to be somewhat confusing to consumers, like some Chinese knockoffs. I think neither of those is the case.
There are plenty of other, more relevant examples of touch-based phones with a metal rim and black plastic on either side that "look" more like the G4 iPhone than the PSP.... and that is a fact.
As far as a bunch of different colors go, I think that's out.
Fir one, they would require carrying too many versions. This raises the manufacturing costs, as no one color will be made in larger quantities. Stores just HATE having so many different colors. Anyone remember when Apple and Best Buy fought so many years ago about the four colors the original iMacs came in? Apple insisted that retailers buy one of each color when ordering. Best Buy, correctly said that if certain colors didn't sell as well, as the orange and red or green, I forget which didn't, then they wanted to have to option of ordering more of the models that did sell well. Apple insisted they couldn't, so Best Buy stopped selling Apple products for years. That hurt Apple's sales, because at the time, Best buy sold over 5% of Apple's computers. That's a big number.
So what would happen to the phones if Apple has them in five or ten colors? I don't see it happening. iPods are different. They are smaller, cheaper, are replaced more often, and are more a fashion statement than a phone is. They're also bought by kids more than the more expensive phones are. I know people who have several, in different colors, to go with what they wear.
True to a point, but how many different Android phones is HTC shipping at the moment? Differentiated by what? And how many is Best Buy willing to stock?
If Apple made a lot of different iPhones with slightly different case designs and specs would it be easier for Best Buy to cover their action as opposed to just changing up the case colors?
Now I agree with you that Apple would be unwise to pull an iMac and try to offer multi-color iPhones while insisting that vendors stock them all in equal numbers. I doubt that HTC demands that if you carry one you have to carry them all. I just think it's a bit of a misdirection to assume that multiple colors presents an insurmountable stocking challenge, when other manufacturers in effect go the multiple color route just by offering endless model choices with only slight differentiation.
3rd Gen iPhone colors: Black, White
4th Gen iPhone colors: Black, BREAKING AppleInsider Story! White!
2nd Gen iPhone colors: Black, White
3rd Gen iPhone colors: Black, White
4th Gen iPhone colors: Black, BREAKING AppleInsider Story! White!
Heh. You know, I had sort of forgotten that they even offered the current white model. I wonder what the sales breakdown looks like?
so are we in agreement that this iPhone looks like the PSP?
no. we're not.
You don't see that here because they seem to have layed the white front on top of the glass of a black iPhone. That's why it seems so ugly I think.
Anyway, I will almost certainly go for the white one this time!
2nd Gen iPhone colors: Black, White
3rd Gen iPhone colors: Black, White
4th Gen iPhone colors: Black, BREAKING AppleInsider Story! White!
Assuming something, knowing it and seeing it are very different.
By your argument AI shouldn't post about the G5 iPhone next year with four previous years of iPhones being released. It's only a story if Apple stops making iPhones. Nor should they post about the incremental changes their products receive periodically.
Heh. You know, I had sort of forgotten that they even offered the current white model. I wonder what the sales breakdown looks like?
I almost forgot too! I hate the current white one. The front and back don't match, which is why I like the white 4G model as much as the black 4G model.
sent from my _black_ iPhone 3GS 16GB
True to a point, but how many different Android phones is HTC shipping at the moment? Differentiated by what? And how many is Best Buy willing to stock?
If Apple made a lot of different iPhones with slightly different case designs and specs would it be easier for Best Buy to cover their action as opposed to just changing up the case colors?
Now I agree with you that Apple would be unwise to pull an iMac and try to offer multi-color iPhones while insisting that vendors stock them all in equal numbers. I doubt that HTC demands that if you carry one you have to carry them all. I just think it's a bit of a misdirection to assume that multiple colors presents an insurmountable stocking challenge, when other manufacturers in effect go the multiple color route just by offering endless model choices with only slight differentiation.
One of the reasons why most of these manufacturers, including HTC, aren't making profits like Apple is, is because there are too many models. While coming out in a bunch of different colors isn't the same thing as having 24 different phones, it does add to the cost, and to the packaging, and to the shipping, storage, shelf space, and so on.
In addition, I really don't believe that the smartphone market is like the iPod market. How many people really want all these colors? Probably not very many. After all, Apple isn't trying to sell phones based on colors. I'd be willing to bet that if someone was going to buy an iPhone in orange, they would also buy it in black or white if they were the only alternatives. So what is Apple losing by not doing that? Likely less than they would spend to do it.
I almost forgot too! I hate the current white one. The front and back don't match, which is why I like the white 4G model as much as the black 4G model.
For the 3G it was a strategic buy since it only came in the largest capacity.
You were expecting us to all agree with you. You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me, I'm not the OP. I was just commenting on your curt response which I find irritating, especially when there are clear similarities.
For the 3G it was a strategic buy since it only came in the largest capacity.
I suppose,
PS. I voted in the poll your signiture links to
One of the reasons why most of these manufacturers, including HTC, aren't making profits like Apple is, is because there are too many models.
Case in point, Motorola making a financial comeback by focusing on a limited group of profitable smartphones.
In addition, I really don't believe that the smartphone market is like the iPod market. How many people really want all these colors? Probably not very many.
I agree with that. It's about the experience. Plus, it seems many use a case on their iPhone but not their iPods.
I think colors will come, but a saturation of the device and/or a cheaper version will have to happen, similar to the iPod Nano and Shuffle, not the flagship device.
I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me, I'm not the OP. I was just commenting on your curt response which I find irritating, especially when there are clear similarities.
Should I have had to write a paragraph pointing out all the differences? If you want, I can do that, as there are so many.
Others have agreed with me, with just as short a response, and as definitely as mine. Are you now going to respond to all of them with the same amount of frustration? Yes, mine was the first, but it's not the only.
The white home button is recessed, implying that the white front panel is laid onto top of a fully assembled unit. So what's the color of the unit underneath? It wouldn't be black because Apple would not have a black iPhone with a white home button.
I'd give this photo at least a 50% chance of being bogus.
Very strange.
You were expecting us to all agree with you.
That was another guy who replied to you, not me. Keep track of who's talking to you
You even expressed that. I don't. I made it clear that "I" think it doesn't look anything like it. I still don't. Obviously, they both have a somewhat similar shape in that they're flat, with somewhat rounded ends. But that would have to be. You might as well say that most smartphones look like the iPhone too. But they don't look the same because the PSP is more complex in its design, with a lot more buttons on the front, and it's much larger.
It's like saying that most cars look alike, and trucks, and airplanes.
Don't be so touchy. If you express an opinion, there's a good change that some will disagree with you emphatically, some much more nastily than I did, which wasn't nastily at all.
Who's the touchy one? Mr brief comment, or Mr Paragraph-and-a-half?
And BTW, when I copied the URL from its original website, the image appeared to be sized reasonably. Did not know it was that big until after the post, and even still, it looked fine on my monitor (I have a 1600px wide display)
Case in point, Motorola making a financial comeback by focusing on a limited group of profitable smartphones.
I agree with that. It's about the experience. Plus, it seems many use a case on their iPhone but not their iPods.
I think colors will come, but a saturation of the device and/or a cheaper version will have to happen, similar to the iPod Nano and Shuffle, not the flagship device.
I believe that the cases are the way people will want to differentiate themselves. It's better than buying a phone in one color, then deciding a month later that it was a mistake. It's better buying a colored, or decorated case for $20, so they can change it as they like.
Getting the phone in a neutral color allows one to do what they like with it, and it doesn't clash with anything. A phone is a more serious device than an iPod for most people. It's one thing if you pop a green iPod out than a green phone.
That was another guy who replied to you, not me. Keep track of who's talking to you
Who's the touchy one? Mr brief comment, or Mr Paragraph-and-a-half?
And BTW, when I copied the URL from its original website, the image appeared to be sized reasonably. Did not know it was that big until after the post, and even still, it looked fine on my monitor (I have a 1600px wide display)
Yes, you're right. I didn't keep track. The response was so much like a poster would make to a response to their own comment though.
I'm just trying to keep it easy to read. Most people don't keep the column that wide, even on a large display. I have 1920 across myself, but as many do, I have another program open at the same time. So a wide image requires us to open the window up to see all of it, or to slide it over. Its not a criticism, just a suggestion for the future.