Maybe I'm the only one who worries about what form this rumored printing support will take. Is the iPad now going to come preloaded with hundreds of printer drivers? If not, how will it work? Perhaps using a Mac or PC as the intermediary spooler/driver to the printer?
If they stick to something simple, it could be just EPS or PCL.
If they stick to something simple, it could be just EPS or PCL.
Is that the only issue, though? Drivers control a variety of printer functions and specifications. Would it be a satisfactory user experience to have limited or no control over basics such as paper feed, print area, print density, etc.? How do the third-party iPad prints tools handle these issues?
Let's say that, today, you could connect a printer to the iPad vis the USB adapter-- not as good as a USB port, but [grudgingly] acceptable.
Then you fire up Pages, Photos, or whatever app and start printing!
Then what?
You wait (and wait, and wait, and wait) for for the printing to finish... there is no Background task for printing... You are stuck watching some kind of progress indicator.
Slapping forehead! The OS (3.2) doesn't support it, Stupid!"
How do you know that?
iTunes and Mail work fine in the background on iPhone OS 3.2. It's at least theoretically possible that Apple could have printing work in the background.
It's simply THIRD PARTY apps that don't background.
If your main reason for waiting for version 2 iPad is the camera-- then no need to wait!
Consider:
-- The next iPad may or may not include a camera or cameras (front-facing or back-facing)
-- A camera in the tablet form factor would be clumsy to use, as would be a cell phone.
-- Can you "picture" how one would look using a Tablet as a Camera or Cell Phone?
-- Steve Jobs wouldn't like to see that "picture" of an iPad (nor would you or I)
However, this does not mean that there is no need to connect a camera to the iPad. The iPad is good for storing and manipulating pictures, just not for taking pictures.
Using the camera connection kit you can plug in a USB camera (the iPhone works great) and suck pictures into the iPad. Same, if your Camera uses an SD card.
I am not familiar enough with the Nexus One to understand the connection with an iPad. But if it can connect a standard USB port (with adapter, if necessary) or a standard SD card, you're. likely, good to go!
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I'd like to use Skype to videochat eventually. The iPad would be great for it. I don't need a rear-facing camera. You'd look like a moron trying to take photos with an iPad.
As for transferring photos, can that not be done via Bluetooth?
My point about the Nexus One, was that I can use the wifi hotspot feature in Android 2.2 to create a wifi hotspot and just run an iPad off that. Our carriers allow that, here in Canada. No need to buy the 3G version and get a separate data plan.
Different people have different preferences, but I don't know anyone willing to die over them. I hate Windows, but I own a copy for VMWare. Don't worry, I'm not going to kill myself now.
The expression was a hyperbole. I am rather baffled, how many people who hate Apple/Steve Jobs spends so much time in sites like this. Some actually posted in the thousands, the highest was more than five thousand -- that is a lot of time in a year of two, They are not likely to be successful missionaries preaching this and that about the evil that Apple/Steve Jobs are. Then, as if a new messiah came forth, every time a copycat was announced, intoning their "Halleluiahs" even before they left the concept stage.
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I think that some of these companies will realize the hard way that people don't like a product that is thrown on the market and then not supported. I think some of them have realized it and that is why we have seen all these products retracted before going on sale.
Kinda like video game systems, I see room in the market for no more then three companies.
As it should be. If people understands nature, they will find that any living ecosystem is more stable if there is diversity. Some reasons for the existence of certain organisms defy human logic sometimes.
Instead, we spend our time or take delight about such stupid things like:
Why do Apple fanbois buy costly Apple products? And the reverse, why would anyone buy an Android phone, if iPhone already exist?
For background operations/tasks, yes. Not for Fast App Switching feature. It will be added to all apps compiled by 4.0 SDK without any additional code.
Well, that makes it even easier, doesn't it? Just run your source code through the new compiler in addition to the few new lines of code, which you would have to do anyway.
The "dumb remark" you seem to be referring to is as follows:
"Thanks for the inventory of what you've "got" ... which was neither asked for nor is relative to the accuracy / importance of your posts.
Are you saying that telling me of all the Apple stuff you "say" you own somehow points to ignorance on my part? .... that's hilarious. All you've really managed to do is to prove that one of us is truly ignorant .... here's a clue ... look in the mirror to see who it is.
Ah, the "mind reader" strikes again. This is what happens when you don't understand what you read ... kinda like 3GS and 3Gs, you know?
It was pointing out, and pretty well, seeing as how upset you are over it, that I don't need to look to another company, despite your lame remark about my needing to.
And it's your poor writing that responsible for misunderstandings.
The dongle bit bothers me too-- I destroyed 3 Mophie JuicePack Airs because of the cable connected to the micro USB port.
When you think about it, anything* sticking out from the tablet is an accident waiting to happen... extending the dongle's distance from the tPad, by adding a short cable, only increases the odds of jerking the dongle and damaging the port.
* Earphones, Standard iPad cable, Camera Connection Kit, and standard USB cable or SD card (if ports for these existed).
For ultra mobile devices (smart Phone, iPod) and semi-mobile devices (Tablets, iPad) it would seem to make sense to exchange data, while on the go, by by bumping devices over WiFi or BT, rather than binding them together with clumsy cables, memory cards/sticks and adapters.
We're not there yet, but I suspect that, in the near future, most devices we want to "connect" with our ultra and semi-mobile devices will have satisfactory wireless bump capability.
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If we need a dongle, it's safer to have one with a cord. A solid one like these is easy to damage a port with, as the leverage from it can pop the post socket right off the board, if pressed down by mistake. but a cord doesn't have that problem. The connector hardly extends from the socket, and if it's pulled out, it's less likely to damage anything. Even if it's dangling straight down, the cord is so close to the socket that leverage is slight.
Maybe I'm the only one who worries about what form this rumored printing support will take. Is the iPad now going to come preloaded with hundreds of printer drivers? If not, how will it work? Perhaps using a Mac or PC as the intermediary spooler/driver to the printer?
As for a USB port, I can understand why Apple skipped this. The moment they include the port, now users expect the iPad to support any USB device they might try to connect. This also means driver support and huge potential headaches.
Printing with the Mac or PC is the way printing apps for the iPad/phone work now, so that would be nothing new. I hope it's direct. I can print images or text, or combinations. These programs are pretty sophisticated. Check out PrintBureau.
But I mostly just want to print with a print button. I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
I don't get this. The 30-pin connector already does USB signaling so why does it have to be replaced by Micro-USB or Mini-USB (the only two that would fit) just so some people can have printing while completely hurting the entire iDevice line of accessories and Apple's ability to push the use of the connector by limiting it to just USB signaling?
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As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I don't get this either. Some of those print drivers are huge. I can't imagine anyone DLing hundreds of MBs for a print driver to use once when it's faster to send to a PC to print.
Apple clearly has positioned these devices to be portable, auxiliary computing devices, so unless there is a method that doesn't require a lengthy and archaic driver DL for each new printer I don't see this happening without the use of a 3rd-party app.
Printing with the Mac or PC is the way printing apps for the iPad/phone work now, so that would be nothing new. I hope it's direct. I can print images or text, or combinations. These programs are pretty sophisticated. Check out PrintBureau.
But I mostly just want to print with a print button. I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I don't see it as either a purely technical issue, or a matter of will. I believe one of Apple's main design criterion for the iPad was for all of its included functions to work flawlessly right out of the box. A USB port adds the expectation that a connected USB device will work with it, which then opens up potential problems with third-party drivers not working well, at all, or mucking up the functions of the iPad in unpredictable ways. I can entirely understand why Apple did not want to go there, at least for the time being.
I don't get this. The 30-pin connector already does USB signaling so why does it have to be replaced by Micro-USB or Mini-USB (the only two that would fit) just so some people can have printing while completely hurting the entire iDevice line of accessories and Apple's ability to push the use of the connector by limiting it to just USB signaling?
No one is asking that it be replaced. The question here is that with Apple knowing that there is demand for a USB port (and an SD port), and selling a kit with both for $30, a kit, by the way, that is so popular, that it's almost always out of stock the moment it arrives in the store, why couldn't they have simply added the USB port, at least, to the iPad? This is one situation where no one can say that there isn't plenty of room.
It would have been cheap to add. If battery usage was a problem, Apple could simply say that it won't power anything other than low power devices such as card readers, which is the case with the ports they are selling us anyway.
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I don't get this either. Some of those print drivers are huge. I can't imagine anyone DLing hundreds of MBs for a print driver to use once when it's faster to send to a PC to print.
Most print drivers are small, no more than a few dozen KB. Without the specialized programs that we would be expected to use with them, large sophisticated drivers wouldn't be needed. I wouldn't expect to print to my Canon IPF5100, for example. Very few print drivers exceed 1MB. And Apple could make it so we only download those we need. Really, not such a big deal.
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Apple clearly has positioned these devices to be portable, auxiliary computing devices, so unless there is a method that doesn't require a lengthy and archaic driver DL for each new printer I don't see this happening without the use of a 3rd-party app.
The delicious nature of Apple's small mobile devices isn't how limited they are, but rather how unlimited developers have made them. With a little help from Apple, they can take on far more.
Yes, if Apple is worried they will suck sales away from their more expensive products, and have artificially limited them for that reason, I can understand it from their viewpoint, but not from our viewpoint.
We will always want to do more than can be done. That's how progress is made.
If Apple worried that the Mac would suck sales away from the IIE, then we would possibly be using the same old interface. Supposedly, what has made Apple great, is that they don't worry about Cannibalizing their older product lines with new ones. If they lose Macbook sales, but sell two iPads for every one Macbook they lose, they're ahead.
I don't see it as either a purely technical issue, or a matter of will. I believe one of Apple's main design criterion for the iPad was for all of its included functions to work flawlessly right out of the box. A USB port adds the expectation that a connected USB device will work with it, which then opens up potential problems with third-party drivers not working well, at all, or mucking up the functions of the iPad in unpredictable ways. I can entirely understand why Apple did not want to go there, at least for the time being.
I still believe what I said. Apple could have done whatever they had to before it came out. People are buying the connection kit and trying out lots of different things to find out what works. If Apple wasn't so determined to never give us any paper with information as to what their products will do, then they will be forced into limiting it to the obvious. I like to give people SOME credit.
I still believe what I said. Apple could have done whatever they had to before it came out. People are buying the connection kit and trying out lots of different things to find out what works. If Apple wasn't so determined to never give us any paper with information as to what their products will do, then they will be forced into limiting it to the obvious. I like to give people SOME credit.
And I still believe what I said. I'd like to give Apple some credit for knowing what they were designing.
The camera kit you cite is a perfect example of what I am saying. It does the one thing, and it does it flawlessly. Of course that doesn't stop the tinkerers from trying to find other ways it can be used, but the takeaway point is that they're on their own. No new expectations are raised.
I take this also from Steve Jobs' comment that he was as proud of what they left out as what they included. This is Apple's minimalist approach at work, just the opposite from Microsoft's kitchen sink approach. This has been Apple's overriding design philosophy for more than ten years now. So I am not shocked or disappointed when I see it in action.
And I still believe what I said. I'd like to give Apple some credit for knowing what they were designing.
The camera kit you cite is a perfect example of what I am saying. It does the one thing, and it does it flawlessly. Of course that doesn't stop the tinkerers from trying to find other ways it can be used, but the takeaway point is that they're on their own. No new expectations are raised.
I take this also from Steve Jobs' comment that he was as proud of what they left out as what they included. This is Apple's minimalist approach at work, just the opposite from Microsoft's kitchen sink approach. This has been Apple's overriding design philosophy for more than ten years now. So I am not shocked or disappointed when I see it in action.
I give them credit for what they're designing. They make the decisions. I don't agree that all their decisions are for the best though. Sometimes their vision is what's best for Apple, not us. Like not giving us Blu-Ray, even as an option.
The point is that with some things, they can make an exception, or even change their minds, when it suits them for their own purposes. Another example is not giving FM tuners on iPods. I know that very few people really care about that, but when they found a way where they could make money off adding it, they did. So their vision isn't always guided by what's best for us as consumers of their products, but what's best for Apple, the company. Now, as a stockholder, I appreciate that, but not always as a customer.
It was pointing out, and pretty well, seeing as how upset you are over it, that I don't need to look to another company, despite your lame remark about my needing to.
And it's your poor writing that responsible for misunderstandings.
Again, it's always the "poor writing" that's responsible for your "misunderstanding". Do you ever accept responsibility for anything you read and fail to understand, ever, hmm, ever? If it only happened once it "could" be the writer's fault but when it continues to happen with various writers, you have to look elsewhere.
Please show me where I asked you to look to another company, other than the one you "say" you owned. I'm betting you'll come up with a "lame" excuse to explain why you can't/won't.
And as for "seeing how upset I am" .... your mind reading "abilities" have again failed you. If I ever do get upset it sure as heck won't be over the postings of a "Global Moderator".
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For the trolls that's easy. Everybody is a fanboy now.
Not *exactly* true... See .sig for the proper/accepted definition of an Apple Fanboy.
Maybe I'm the only one who worries about what form this rumored printing support will take. Is the iPad now going to come preloaded with hundreds of printer drivers? If not, how will it work? Perhaps using a Mac or PC as the intermediary spooler/driver to the printer?
If they stick to something simple, it could be just EPS or PCL.
If they stick to something simple, it could be just EPS or PCL.
Is that the only issue, though? Drivers control a variety of printer functions and specifications. Would it be a satisfactory user experience to have limited or no control over basics such as paper feed, print area, print density, etc.? How do the third-party iPad prints tools handle these issues?
Let's say that, today, you could connect a printer to the iPad vis the USB adapter-- not as good as a USB port, but [grudgingly] acceptable.
Then you fire up Pages, Photos, or whatever app and start printing!
Then what?
You wait (and wait, and wait, and wait) for for the printing to finish... there is no Background task for printing... You are stuck watching some kind of progress indicator.
Slapping forehead! The OS (3.2) doesn't support it, Stupid!"
How do you know that?
iTunes and Mail work fine in the background on iPhone OS 3.2. It's at least theoretically possible that Apple could have printing work in the background.
It's simply THIRD PARTY apps that don't background.
If your main reason for waiting for version 2 iPad is the camera-- then no need to wait!
Consider:
-- The next iPad may or may not include a camera or cameras (front-facing or back-facing)
-- A camera in the tablet form factor would be clumsy to use, as would be a cell phone.
-- Can you "picture" how one would look using a Tablet as a Camera or Cell Phone?
-- Steve Jobs wouldn't like to see that "picture" of an iPad (nor would you or I)
However, this does not mean that there is no need to connect a camera to the iPad. The iPad is good for storing and manipulating pictures, just not for taking pictures.
Using the camera connection kit you can plug in a USB camera (the iPhone works great) and suck pictures into the iPad. Same, if your Camera uses an SD card.
I am not familiar enough with the Nexus One to understand the connection with an iPad. But if it can connect a standard USB port (with adapter, if necessary) or a standard SD card, you're. likely, good to go!
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I'd like to use Skype to videochat eventually. The iPad would be great for it. I don't need a rear-facing camera. You'd look like a moron trying to take photos with an iPad.
As for transferring photos, can that not be done via Bluetooth?
My point about the Nexus One, was that I can use the wifi hotspot feature in Android 2.2 to create a wifi hotspot and just run an iPad off that. Our carriers allow that, here in Canada. No need to buy the 3G version and get a separate data plan.
I didn't know the 8GB iPod Touch (even the newest one I bought
Fragmentation?
Different people have different preferences, but I don't know anyone willing to die over them. I hate Windows, but I own a copy for VMWare. Don't worry, I'm not going to kill myself now.
The expression was a hyperbole. I am rather baffled, how many people who hate Apple/Steve Jobs spends so much time in sites like this. Some actually posted in the thousands, the highest was more than five thousand -- that is a lot of time in a year of two, They are not likely to be successful missionaries preaching this and that about the evil that Apple/Steve Jobs are. Then, as if a new messiah came forth, every time a copycat was announced, intoning their "Halleluiahs" even before they left the concept stage.
I think that some of these companies will realize the hard way that people don't like a product that is thrown on the market and then not supported. I think some of them have realized it and that is why we have seen all these products retracted before going on sale.
Kinda like video game systems, I see room in the market for no more then three companies.
As it should be. If people understands nature, they will find that any living ecosystem is more stable if there is diversity. Some reasons for the existence of certain organisms defy human logic sometimes.
Instead, we spend our time or take delight about such stupid things like:
Why do Apple fanbois buy costly Apple products? And the reverse, why would anyone buy an Android phone, if iPhone already exist?
CGC
For background operations/tasks, yes. Not for Fast App Switching feature. It will be added to all apps compiled by 4.0 SDK without any additional code.
Well, that makes it even easier, doesn't it? Just run your source code through the new compiler in addition to the few new lines of code, which you would have to do anyway.
The "dumb remark" you seem to be referring to is as follows:
"Thanks for the inventory of what you've "got" ... which was neither asked for nor is relative to the accuracy / importance of your posts.
Are you saying that telling me of all the Apple stuff you "say" you own somehow points to ignorance on my part? .... that's hilarious. All you've really managed to do is to prove that one of us is truly ignorant .... here's a clue ... look in the mirror to see who it is.
Ah, the "mind reader" strikes again. This is what happens when you don't understand what you read ... kinda like 3GS and 3Gs, you know?
It was pointing out, and pretty well, seeing as how upset you are over it, that I don't need to look to another company, despite your lame remark about my needing to.
And it's your poor writing that responsible for misunderstandings.
You, sir, are surely the center of the universe! (Well, at least the AI universe).
I'm the center of mine, as you are yours, and as he is of his.
My point still stands.
The dongle bit bothers me too-- I destroyed 3 Mophie JuicePack Airs because of the cable connected to the micro USB port.
When you think about it, anything* sticking out from the tablet is an accident waiting to happen... extending the dongle's distance from the tPad, by adding a short cable, only increases the odds of jerking the dongle and damaging the port.
* Earphones, Standard iPad cable, Camera Connection Kit, and standard USB cable or SD card (if ports for these existed).
For ultra mobile devices (smart Phone, iPod) and semi-mobile devices (Tablets, iPad) it would seem to make sense to exchange data, while on the go, by by bumping devices over WiFi or BT, rather than binding them together with clumsy cables, memory cards/sticks and adapters.
We're not there yet, but I suspect that, in the near future, most devices we want to "connect" with our ultra and semi-mobile devices will have satisfactory wireless bump capability.
.
If we need a dongle, it's safer to have one with a cord. A solid one like these is easy to damage a port with, as the leverage from it can pop the post socket right off the board, if pressed down by mistake. but a cord doesn't have that problem. The connector hardly extends from the socket, and if it's pulled out, it's less likely to damage anything. Even if it's dangling straight down, the cord is so close to the socket that leverage is slight.
Maybe I'm the only one who worries about what form this rumored printing support will take. Is the iPad now going to come preloaded with hundreds of printer drivers? If not, how will it work? Perhaps using a Mac or PC as the intermediary spooler/driver to the printer?
As for a USB port, I can understand why Apple skipped this. The moment they include the port, now users expect the iPad to support any USB device they might try to connect. This also means driver support and huge potential headaches.
Printing with the Mac or PC is the way printing apps for the iPad/phone work now, so that would be nothing new. I hope it's direct. I can print images or text, or combinations. These programs are pretty sophisticated. Check out PrintBureau.
But I mostly just want to print with a print button. I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
I don't get this. The 30-pin connector already does USB signaling so why does it have to be replaced by Micro-USB or Mini-USB (the only two that would fit) just so some people can have printing while completely hurting the entire iDevice line of accessories and Apple's ability to push the use of the connector by limiting it to just USB signaling?
As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I don't get this either. Some of those print drivers are huge. I can't imagine anyone DLing hundreds of MBs for a print driver to use once when it's faster to send to a PC to print.
Apple clearly has positioned these devices to be portable, auxiliary computing devices, so unless there is a method that doesn't require a lengthy and archaic driver DL for each new printer I don't see this happening without the use of a 3rd-party app.
Printing with the Mac or PC is the way printing apps for the iPad/phone work now, so that would be nothing new. I hope it's direct. I can print images or text, or combinations. These programs are pretty sophisticated. Check out PrintBureau.
But I mostly just want to print with a print button. I see no problem with including the USB port. It's up to Apple to decide how much support they will give it. There's no reason why they couldn't give full USB support, if they wanted to. They just don't want to, so far.
As for drivers, they could allow the downloading of any drivers the customer wanted. They have them all, and the ability to allow that. This is nothing too difficult from a technical standpoint. It's just a matter of will.
I don't see it as either a purely technical issue, or a matter of will. I believe one of Apple's main design criterion for the iPad was for all of its included functions to work flawlessly right out of the box. A USB port adds the expectation that a connected USB device will work with it, which then opens up potential problems with third-party drivers not working well, at all, or mucking up the functions of the iPad in unpredictable ways. I can entirely understand why Apple did not want to go there, at least for the time being.
I don't get this. The 30-pin connector already does USB signaling so why does it have to be replaced by Micro-USB or Mini-USB (the only two that would fit) just so some people can have printing while completely hurting the entire iDevice line of accessories and Apple's ability to push the use of the connector by limiting it to just USB signaling?
No one is asking that it be replaced. The question here is that with Apple knowing that there is demand for a USB port (and an SD port), and selling a kit with both for $30, a kit, by the way, that is so popular, that it's almost always out of stock the moment it arrives in the store, why couldn't they have simply added the USB port, at least, to the iPad? This is one situation where no one can say that there isn't plenty of room.
It would have been cheap to add. If battery usage was a problem, Apple could simply say that it won't power anything other than low power devices such as card readers, which is the case with the ports they are selling us anyway.
I don't get this either. Some of those print drivers are huge. I can't imagine anyone DLing hundreds of MBs for a print driver to use once when it's faster to send to a PC to print.
Most print drivers are small, no more than a few dozen KB. Without the specialized programs that we would be expected to use with them, large sophisticated drivers wouldn't be needed. I wouldn't expect to print to my Canon IPF5100, for example. Very few print drivers exceed 1MB. And Apple could make it so we only download those we need. Really, not such a big deal.
Apple clearly has positioned these devices to be portable, auxiliary computing devices, so unless there is a method that doesn't require a lengthy and archaic driver DL for each new printer I don't see this happening without the use of a 3rd-party app.
The delicious nature of Apple's small mobile devices isn't how limited they are, but rather how unlimited developers have made them. With a little help from Apple, they can take on far more.
Yes, if Apple is worried they will suck sales away from their more expensive products, and have artificially limited them for that reason, I can understand it from their viewpoint, but not from our viewpoint.
We will always want to do more than can be done. That's how progress is made.
If Apple worried that the Mac would suck sales away from the IIE, then we would possibly be using the same old interface. Supposedly, what has made Apple great, is that they don't worry about Cannibalizing their older product lines with new ones. If they lose Macbook sales, but sell two iPads for every one Macbook they lose, they're ahead.
I don't see it as either a purely technical issue, or a matter of will. I believe one of Apple's main design criterion for the iPad was for all of its included functions to work flawlessly right out of the box. A USB port adds the expectation that a connected USB device will work with it, which then opens up potential problems with third-party drivers not working well, at all, or mucking up the functions of the iPad in unpredictable ways. I can entirely understand why Apple did not want to go there, at least for the time being.
I still believe what I said. Apple could have done whatever they had to before it came out. People are buying the connection kit and trying out lots of different things to find out what works. If Apple wasn't so determined to never give us any paper with information as to what their products will do, then they will be forced into limiting it to the obvious. I like to give people SOME credit.
I still believe what I said. Apple could have done whatever they had to before it came out. People are buying the connection kit and trying out lots of different things to find out what works. If Apple wasn't so determined to never give us any paper with information as to what their products will do, then they will be forced into limiting it to the obvious. I like to give people SOME credit.
And I still believe what I said. I'd like to give Apple some credit for knowing what they were designing.
The camera kit you cite is a perfect example of what I am saying. It does the one thing, and it does it flawlessly. Of course that doesn't stop the tinkerers from trying to find other ways it can be used, but the takeaway point is that they're on their own. No new expectations are raised.
I take this also from Steve Jobs' comment that he was as proud of what they left out as what they included. This is Apple's minimalist approach at work, just the opposite from Microsoft's kitchen sink approach. This has been Apple's overriding design philosophy for more than ten years now. So I am not shocked or disappointed when I see it in action.
And I still believe what I said. I'd like to give Apple some credit for knowing what they were designing.
The camera kit you cite is a perfect example of what I am saying. It does the one thing, and it does it flawlessly. Of course that doesn't stop the tinkerers from trying to find other ways it can be used, but the takeaway point is that they're on their own. No new expectations are raised.
I take this also from Steve Jobs' comment that he was as proud of what they left out as what they included. This is Apple's minimalist approach at work, just the opposite from Microsoft's kitchen sink approach. This has been Apple's overriding design philosophy for more than ten years now. So I am not shocked or disappointed when I see it in action.
I give them credit for what they're designing. They make the decisions. I don't agree that all their decisions are for the best though. Sometimes their vision is what's best for Apple, not us. Like not giving us Blu-Ray, even as an option.
The point is that with some things, they can make an exception, or even change their minds, when it suits them for their own purposes. Another example is not giving FM tuners on iPods. I know that very few people really care about that, but when they found a way where they could make money off adding it, they did. So their vision isn't always guided by what's best for us as consumers of their products, but what's best for Apple, the company. Now, as a stockholder, I appreciate that, but not always as a customer.
It was pointing out, and pretty well, seeing as how upset you are over it, that I don't need to look to another company, despite your lame remark about my needing to.
And it's your poor writing that responsible for misunderstandings.
Again, it's always the "poor writing" that's responsible for your "misunderstanding". Do you ever accept responsibility for anything you read and fail to understand, ever, hmm, ever? If it only happened once it "could" be the writer's fault but when it continues to happen with various writers, you have to look elsewhere.
Please show me where I asked you to look to another company, other than the one you "say" you owned. I'm betting you'll come up with a "lame" excuse to explain why you can't/won't.
And as for "seeing how upset I am" .... your mind reading "abilities" have again failed you. If I ever do get upset it sure as heck won't be over the postings of a "Global Moderator".