The option of a REMOVABLE BATTERY is a Plus no matter how you look at it. For some it's necessary as job & time don't permit for intraday recharging. Also with continuous charging the lenght of time you battery will give you decreases. (Apple battery has a life of 250 recharges)So a removable battery would save the inconvenience & cost of Apple replacement. In any event No replaceable battery till 7G (LOL) so we can just hope that the 4G lasts longer.
I have a macbook with replaceable battery that is 4 years old and i never once replaced the battery. Apple simplified the device and made batteries last longer than any other machine in their class. If your batteries are that good, you don't need to swap them. And if you travel, there are inexpensive external battery dongle solutions. Win win or those who like simplicity and those few 2% that need the extra battery time.
Look for the dvd players on the macbook pros to go away also, that is, as soon as new appletv comes out of course. better start ripping those old dvd with handbrake
The irony is that even those that whine about removable batteries (much less here, and more on the mindless spec/ports/options chase pc market) I would wager that they themselves swap batteries during travel almost never. I 've been travelling for many, many years, surrounded by pcs and I 've not seen a single person swap their battery. Coincidence? Not big enough sample? Maybe so, but still very indicative.
These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.
the way apple explained it was shape among other factors. For example there was a lot of dead space between the internal battery compartments with the multiple cylinder shapes that made up the battery. When apple went to the internal battery of their own design, they were able to utilize the entire space of the battery. Also if you look at a removable macbook battery you see it is in a thick case. The internal battery has no case so there is significant reduction in size needed. Great out of the box thinking similar to the fantastic magnisafe design for power cord. i would add that the case of the removable macbook battery is very heavy, so they were able to shed a few ounces. I like my non-removable macbook pro battery because i understand what the apple engineers did and why they did it.
The irony is that even those that whine about removable batteries (much less here, and more on the mindless spec/ports/options chase pc market) I would wager that they themselves swap batteries during travel almost never. I 've been travelling for many, many years, surrounded by pcs and I 've not seen a single person swap their battery. Coincidence? Not big enough sample? Maybe so, but still very indicative.
i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)
so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...
also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life
This shows two screws on the bottom. What happened to the "prototype" that showed no screws on the bottom. It sure looked a heck of a lot better.
I hope there won't be screws, but I'm sure I'd forget about them pretty quick. I'll probably have it in a case anyway.
Speaking of cases. I've heard in a few places now that cases can actually be worse for your iPhone because they can trap dust and particles between the case and the iPhone and scratch it, or the open ports funnel dust in worse than no case at all.
Any thoughts on cases? Off topic I know.
So, screws or no screws? Is this the actual 4G iPhone frame, with screws, or will it come without screws?
i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)
so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...
also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life
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Reading the first reviews that came out about the T61 sounded like gloom and doom with reports of 2 hour battery life. It seems most of the initial reviews were done using very power hungry dedicated graphics solutions and with a 4-cell battery.
I had the opportunity to test a larger 6-cell battery on an integrated graphics system, and got 3 hours and 41 minutes of battery life under what I would deem normal usage. I was using the T61 with screen brightness set to half or lower, Vista battery optimized setting, wireless off to get this number. In a torture test, I set the screen brightness to top level, put in a DVD (Stargate) and played it until the battery hit 5% and the PC went to sleep – which happened after exactly 2 hours 15 minutes. I wouldn’t call that bad, it’ll get you through most movies.
Is that in any way comparable with apple's 7-8 hours of batter life? You are justified to have 2 batteries on the thinkpad (btw, one of the nicest laptops outside apple) but apple offer you battery life that twice or more that of the thinkpad so you don't need too.
If the AMD deal goes through, and I sure hope it does, we are talking about the chips coming in on q2 2011, these chips can potentially be very comparable cto intel in terms of battery because a. amd will be shrinking their process to 35nm a la intel and b. they are properly integrating a very good gpu (that will require less use of the discrete one if there is) on die.
May I also interest you on this option which I think can solve a lot of your problems, without apple having to go with the inelegant and counter productive in terms of engineering solution of a user replaceable battery:
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HyperMac is the ONLY external battery and car charger solution that works with ALL MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro (supports dual voltage). Available in 4 different sizes (60~222Wh), the HyperMac battery also powers the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and all other USB devices.
HyperMac 60~222Wh have been upgraded to support 10W USB charging which powers the iPad at the same rate as the iPad wall charger.
Isn't it much better that on those rare occasions where 7-8 hours isn't enough, you can tailor fit an external solution for a variety of sizes and capacities you might want?
Silly jab at android. Makes appleinsider look more like a untrustworthy fanboi site.
There is plenty of discussion of upcoming android phones. The HTC evo has already been rooted, reviewed, and ifixit even has a teardown of it and its not even released yet.
Lots of android websites and forums. Lots of discussion.
These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.
Btw, I disagree with the opinions aside comment, it's not a matter of opinion what I and the others have said above, they are matters of fact. It's not a matter of opinion what you said for example that you are doomed to have the external battery pack sticking out, it's a matter of fact, and it's inaccurate. Since most of these packs in a few minutes can charge your phone's internal battery, and then you put them in your pocket again and there's nothing sticking out.
Interesting on the battery life. I'll have to look into that.
But it is still a matter of opinion about the external batteries. Yes, you can have one of those that you stick on and recharges in a matter of minutes, but in the same time, you can swap out the battery on a device with a removable one and be on your way. No need to have to remove an attachment later on. It's the user's preference which path they want to go.
Some people prefer the internal battery (as you have shown), and some prefer having a removable battery. The proof is that there hasn't been a huge outcry for all batteries to be internal. There's still a large market of third-party batteries out there and, for the time being, doesn't seem to be going away.
Personally speaking, I like having the option of a removable battery because I can replace it myself when it goes wrong or bad for whatever reason. For a simple change, I'd rather not have to determine whether or not it's covered by the warranty and have to wait for someone else do it for me.
I'm sure you're going to ask me "has that battery of yours gone bad?". So far, no it hasn't. But my phone was provided to me with a removable battery which, again, gives me that option. I'm not going to say no if someone gives me more options. If, in the future, all devices go with internal batteries, then so be it. I'll follow along. In the meantime, it is what it is.
As to the guy who said that this is because there's only one released every year, instead of many like the android phones, what a fallacious argument. So if porche released five or so new models per year and kia released one, do you think that the world would completely ignore spy photos of prototypes from porche and focuse solely on the single kia model? Similarly even if there were 5 iphones a year and 1 android phone, the iphones would still gather more interest, because they are on the whole better and more desirable devices.
That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.
There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*
That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.
There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*
Of course it goes back to what they think (read: personal opinion) is the better phone.
What you said before makes sense. If only 1 Android phone was released across all the carriers next year, then everyone would just be talking about that single device. However millions of Android users out will be channeled from a broad interest on all the devices out now to focusing on that single device and what it can/can't do. As a consequence, sales numbers for that single device will shoot up.
in a pair of Portuguese videos subtitled in English
Those aren't subtitles. They don't correspond remotely to what the person is saying, and that's even admitted in the "subtitles" by whoever did the subtitled version. The "subtitles" are little more than comments that someone has added to the video.
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The option of a REMOVABLE BATTERY is a Plus no matter how you look at it. For some it's necessary as job & time don't permit for intraday recharging. Also with continuous charging the lenght of time you battery will give you decreases. (Apple battery has a life of 250 recharges)So a removable battery would save the inconvenience & cost of Apple replacement. In any event No replaceable battery till 7G (LOL) so we can just hope that the 4G lasts longer.
I have a macbook with replaceable battery that is 4 years old and i never once replaced the battery. Apple simplified the device and made batteries last longer than any other machine in their class. If your batteries are that good, you don't need to swap them. And if you travel, there are inexpensive external battery dongle solutions. Win win or those who like simplicity and those few 2% that need the extra battery time.
Look for the dvd players on the macbook pros to go away also, that is, as soon as new appletv comes out of course. better start ripping those old dvd with handbrake
These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.
the way apple explained it was shape among other factors. For example there was a lot of dead space between the internal battery compartments with the multiple cylinder shapes that made up the battery. When apple went to the internal battery of their own design, they were able to utilize the entire space of the battery. Also if you look at a removable macbook battery you see it is in a thick case. The internal battery has no case so there is significant reduction in size needed. Great out of the box thinking similar to the fantastic magnisafe design for power cord. i would add that the case of the removable macbook battery is very heavy, so they were able to shed a few ounces. I like my non-removable macbook pro battery because i understand what the apple engineers did and why they did it.
The irony is that even those that whine about removable batteries (much less here, and more on the mindless spec/ports/options chase pc market) I would wager that they themselves swap batteries during travel almost never. I 've been travelling for many, many years, surrounded by pcs and I 've not seen a single person swap their battery. Coincidence? Not big enough sample? Maybe so, but still very indicative.
i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)
so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...
also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life
I hope there won't be screws, but I'm sure I'd forget about them pretty quick. I'll probably have it in a case anyway.
Speaking of cases. I've heard in a few places now that cases can actually be worse for your iPhone because they can trap dust and particles between the case and the iPhone and scratch it, or the open ports funnel dust in worse than no case at all.
Any thoughts on cases? Off topic I know.
So, screws or no screws? Is this the actual 4G iPhone frame, with screws, or will it come without screws?
i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)
so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...
also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life
Reading the first reviews that came out about the T61 sounded like gloom and doom with reports of 2 hour battery life. It seems most of the initial reviews were done using very power hungry dedicated graphics solutions and with a 4-cell battery.
I had the opportunity to test a larger 6-cell battery on an integrated graphics system, and got 3 hours and 41 minutes of battery life under what I would deem normal usage. I was using the T61 with screen brightness set to half or lower, Vista battery optimized setting, wireless off to get this number. In a torture test, I set the screen brightness to top level, put in a DVD (Stargate) and played it until the battery hit 5% and the PC went to sleep – which happened after exactly 2 hours 15 minutes. I wouldn’t call that bad, it’ll get you through most movies.
Is that in any way comparable with apple's 7-8 hours of batter life? You are justified to have 2 batteries on the thinkpad (btw, one of the nicest laptops outside apple) but apple offer you battery life that twice or more that of the thinkpad so you don't need too.
If the AMD deal goes through, and I sure hope it does, we are talking about the chips coming in on q2 2011, these chips can potentially be very comparable cto intel in terms of battery because a. amd will be shrinking their process to 35nm a la intel and b. they are properly integrating a very good gpu (that will require less use of the discrete one if there is) on die.
May I also interest you on this option which I think can solve a lot of your problems, without apple having to go with the inelegant and counter productive in terms of engineering solution of a user replaceable battery:
HyperMac is the ONLY external battery and car charger solution that works with ALL MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro (supports dual voltage). Available in 4 different sizes (60~222Wh), the HyperMac battery also powers the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and all other USB devices.
HyperMac 60~222Wh have been upgraded to support 10W USB charging which powers the iPad at the same rate as the iPad wall charger.
http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-Ex...arger-s/91.htm
Isn't it much better that on those rare occasions where 7-8 hours isn't enough, you can tailor fit an external solution for a variety of sizes and capacities you might want?
There is plenty of discussion of upcoming android phones. The HTC evo has already been rooted, reviewed, and ifixit even has a teardown of it and its not even released yet.
Lots of android websites and forums. Lots of discussion.
These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.
Btw, I disagree with the opinions aside comment, it's not a matter of opinion what I and the others have said above, they are matters of fact. It's not a matter of opinion what you said for example that you are doomed to have the external battery pack sticking out, it's a matter of fact, and it's inaccurate. Since most of these packs in a few minutes can charge your phone's internal battery, and then you put them in your pocket again and there's nothing sticking out.
Interesting on the battery life. I'll have to look into that.
But it is still a matter of opinion about the external batteries. Yes, you can have one of those that you stick on and recharges in a matter of minutes, but in the same time, you can swap out the battery on a device with a removable one and be on your way. No need to have to remove an attachment later on. It's the user's preference which path they want to go.
Some people prefer the internal battery (as you have shown), and some prefer having a removable battery. The proof is that there hasn't been a huge outcry for all batteries to be internal. There's still a large market of third-party batteries out there and, for the time being, doesn't seem to be going away.
Personally speaking, I like having the option of a removable battery because I can replace it myself when it goes wrong or bad for whatever reason. For a simple change, I'd rather not have to determine whether or not it's covered by the warranty and have to wait for someone else do it for me.
I'm sure you're going to ask me "has that battery of yours gone bad?". So far, no it hasn't. But my phone was provided to me with a removable battery which, again, gives me that option. I'm not going to say no if someone gives me more options. If, in the future, all devices go with internal batteries, then so be it. I'll follow along. In the meantime, it is what it is.
Loved the jab at android phones.
As to the guy who said that this is because there's only one released every year, instead of many like the android phones, what a fallacious argument. So if porche released five or so new models per year and kia released one, do you think that the world would completely ignore spy photos of prototypes from porche and focuse solely on the single kia model? Similarly even if there were 5 iphones a year and 1 android phone, the iphones would still gather more interest, because they are on the whole better and more desirable devices.
That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.
There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*
That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.
There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*
Of course it goes back to what they think (read: personal opinion) is the better phone.
What you said before makes sense. If only 1 Android phone was released across all the carriers next year, then everyone would just be talking about that single device. However millions of Android users out will be channeled from a broad interest on all the devices out now to focusing on that single device and what it can/can't do. As a consequence, sales numbers for that single device will shoot up.
in a pair of Portuguese videos subtitled in English
Those aren't subtitles. They don't correspond remotely to what the person is saying, and that's even admitted in the "subtitles" by whoever did the subtitled version. The "subtitles" are little more than comments that someone has added to the video.