Expensive malware appears for Microsoft's Windows Mobile

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  • Reply 21 of 92
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,088member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Planet Blue View Post


    What a crappy article. Should we have Apple tell us what we can and cannot put on our Macs too, so we never get a virus? This article just reeks of desperate justification for Apple’s policies.



    I love Apple as much as the next guy, but damn, I just cannot handle when people claim censorship and gate-keeping are positive things.



    "They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin



    Can’t the solution be to let us check a box to install unauthorized apps, a la Android? Seems like the best of both worlds. Apple stops taking heat, and it would be the users liability if stuff like this happened. At the same time, it would allow for some of the amazing Cydia apps to get a broader audience.



    This article is about phones. Last thing I want in a phone is worrying whether an app is going to compromise my phone, cause it to crash, dial an expensive phone# to the arctic circle, or worst yet, prevent me from using it in an emergency. Millions of iPhone users (including myself) are more than happy with letting Apple take care of the house-cleaning chores.



    You want all the micro-managing endless choices fit for someone with ADHD, then go right ahead and go to the greener pastures of Android and Windows Mobile. You'll do exactly what you want, how you want it, and by the time you finally get your phone working the way you want, the next OS release will come out. Keep clicking all those numerous checkboxes to allow you to do the most basic things just like a desktop OS lets you do.



    And while you're at it, please cancel your AI account if all you plan on doing is trolling this forum.
  • Reply 22 of 92
    bettiebluebettieblue Posts: 294member
    Here is the original piece.



    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...technologyNews



    Two apps. How many phones were hit?????? How many users hit?????? How much money lost?????



    Here is the site of the security firm, in San Fransisco.



    https://www.mylookout.com/about



    Nothing on the front page, nothing on their news page.



    https://www.mylookout.com/about/news



    Lots of new about their funding. Having them in the news cant hype or I mean hurt their business.



    The Apple insider post is longer than the Reuters post, yet has even less real information. Anti-Microsoft hit piece.
  • Reply 23 of 92
    spotonspoton Posts: 645member
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    Android users (just like Mac and Windows users) have no similar security protection in place, and should be very careful about downloading software, even from legitimate appearing websites. Unlike desktop malware, which is somewhat limited in the scope of damage it can cause, mobile malware has the ability to rapidly run up very expensive mobile bills for weeks before the user is likely to even notice a problem.





    There should be mechanisms in place from the carrier to confirm any unusual phone activity as soon as it starts, like a call back with a approved password phrase. Also easy ways for the user to place restrictions on the carrier end, say at a carrier website, to prevent his/her phone (stolen, borrowed or malware controlled) to make calls outside those restrictions a user places on it.
  • Reply 24 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Planet Blue View Post


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    "They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.? - Benjamin Franklin



    ...



    "A fool and his money are soon parted." ? T. Draxe
  • Reply 25 of 92
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,088member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    There should be mechanisms in place from the carrier to confirm any unusual phone activity as soon as it starts, like a call back with a approved password phrase. Also easy ways for the user to place restrictions on the carrier end, say at a carrier website, to prevent his/her phone (stolen, borrowed or malware controlled) to make calls outside those restrictions a user places on it.



    Or better yet, stopping it from ever getting on your phone to begin with. Keep up the good work Apple.
  • Reply 26 of 92
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CurtisEMayle View Post


    "A fool and his money are soon parted." ? T. Draxe



    "A stich in time saves nine."



    Or so I have heard.
  • Reply 27 of 92
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    There are lots of 'uncensored' choices out there for people like you, and you should go there for your smartphone experience. I am (and millions like me are) perfectly happy with my (our) experience.



    And, there is no need for drama-queen quotes over something as trivial as this.



    As for Android, their similar problems are just beginning. See this report from today's Wall street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ses+phone+apps



    Good luck.



    Agree. When it comes to security, I strongly believe Apple/Iphone is the only way to go. Call it walled, closed, whatever--it's WORTH it. There is simply too much vital personal information which can potentially be obtained. I am an Android fan as well but I do feel we will be seeing more and more security compromises as per your link. Apple has their model, Google has theirs, others etc.. For personal security, I'll keep the Iphone.











    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


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    And while you're at it, please cancel your AI account if all you plan on doing trolling this forum.



    He's expressing his opinion and he's welcome to it wether you agree or not, so please stop playing the f'ing troll card.
  • Reply 28 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    "A stich in time saves nine."



    Or so I have heard.



    "Yes." ? S. Jobs
  • Reply 29 of 92
    voodooruvoodooru Posts: 70member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Anti-Microsoft hit piece.





    lame.



    and desperate .





  • Reply 30 of 92
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,401member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post


    Anti-Microsoft hit piece.



    So, do you have a point?
  • Reply 31 of 92
    rot'napplerot'napple Posts: 1,839member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    No malware for iPhone, despite its market share



    The appearance of malware on Windows Mobile is particularly interesting because the motivation of this assault was entirely financial. That being the case, the fact that the malicious developers targeted Windows Mobile, which is almost entirely limited to the US and now trails Symbian (42%), RIM (21%), and Apple's iPhone OS (15%) in market share (9% over the last year), throws decades of Windows-based punditry on its head because "malicious hackers" supposedly only target the largest platform.



    Maybe that needs to be changed to the easiest platform?
  • Reply 32 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Planet Blue View Post


    What a crappy article. Should we have Apple tell us what we can and cannot put on our Macs too, so we never get a virus? This article just reeks of desperate justification for Apple?s policies.



    With dozens of vulnerabilities and three exploits to date, not even those unprecedented extreme measures have protected iPhone OS.
  • Reply 33 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by planet blue View Post


    what a crappy article. Should we have apple tell us what we can and cannot put on our macs too, so we never get a virus? This article just reeks of desperate justification for apple?s policies.



    I love apple as much as the next guy, but damn, i just cannot handle when people claim censorship and gate-keeping are positive things.



    "they who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.? - benjamin franklin



    can?t the solution be to let us check a box to install unauthorized apps, a la android? Seems like the best of both worlds. Apple stops taking heat, and it would be the users liability if stuff like this happened. At the same time, it would allow for some of the amazing cydia apps to get a broader audience.



    you troll
  • Reply 34 of 92
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Proud iPhone owner for three years now. Should I purchase virus software?





    Sincerely, Mack A Phee Norton III
  • Reply 35 of 92
    welshdogwelshdog Posts: 1,894member
    I don't understand why companies like Google or Microsoft would allow phone apps to be distributed without being vetted. I also don't understand why people get so upset that Apple and Rim actually do control what goes on their phones. I mean really. How is your life or your freedom diminished by Apple preventing harmful or malicious apps from being installed on your phone? Try to gain some perspective. Sheesh.
  • Reply 36 of 92
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    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    This is about Macs, trying to drag them into this discussion just muddies your position. Besides the article justifies nothing, it just explains Apples approach to the problem which to be honest isn't a bad one. Is it to restrictive, clearly many don't think so. Frankly an unlocked phone would mean more to me.



    It is a legitimate comparison.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    This is assinine what are virus checkers, maleware scanners and bits of defensive programming from the PC world? When it comes right down to it apple effectively moves these sorts of overhead off the device to their labs making for less of a load on the device.



    Sure there is more to Apples restrictions than that but if you want porn the iPhone OS isn't your first choice. Beyound porn people have been trying to make mountains out of molehills. Sometimes mountains are made just so a developer can get free promotion of his product. It is all part of the get my app rejected for something silly and then make millions with version 1.1.X.



    I really did not understand any of this. Not trying to be rude, just it wasn?t very comprehensible.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    The reality is if Apple was as bad as everyone implied we wouldn't have the massive selection of software that we do have in app store. Apps by the way that make developers money, which of course is incentive for developers to make even more apps.



    How?s Google Voice treating you?



    And yes, they make money. More-so because of the popularity of the iPhone itself. Doesn?t have anything to do with Apple?s App Store policies, I would argue. So I?m not sure why you brought that in to this.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Apps have no impact on your liberty.



    The quote wasn?t meant to be taken in all seriousness (it?s more appropriate for discussions involving the Patriot Act) but it still holds. On a fundamental level, freedom of choice = liberty.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    How would that improve anything when it is so easy to jailbreak an iPhone now? Besides if Apple added such a feature they would no longer have a secure system and they would likely still be seen as responsible by the user community. In the end you are asking for something that isn't needed because an alternative to Apples system exists.



    Don't you see how stupid your position is? An alternative to Apples tight control exists, you already know about it. Apple however doesn't want anything to do with it, so it goes on ignored.



    That alternative isn?t ignored by Apple, and they actively try to disable it. So your argument doesn?t really hold.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    In anyevent Apple currently only gets a little bit of heat from the crowd of thieves and cheapies that want everthing for free. If Apple made it easy for people to screw up their iPhones with crap third party apps the heat would be much hotter. Apple has created a framework that leads high customer satisfaction there is no reason to mess with that. Especially in the context of uncontrolled environments that lead to screwed up systems.



    In anyevent you need yo explain yourself better as right now people can't hear anything useful to support your position through all the whine.



    Err, wanting an open platform equals being a ?thief? and ?cheapy who wants everything for free?? Sorry, but no.



    As for your quote that ?uncontrolled environments lead to screwed up systems,? I think the entire open-source community would like to have a word with you. Seriously buddy.



    I?m ?whining?? Really? So anyone that may disagree with you is a whiner? Interesting.
  • Reply 37 of 92
    damn_its_hotdamn_its_hot Posts: 1,207member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Malware embedded into legitimate-looking games designed for Windows Mobile has appeared, automatically dialing up foreign telephone services to rig up hundreds of dollars in illicit charges for users behind their backs.



    Was this really supposed to be 'rig up' or the more likely 'ring up'?



    Maybe you just had a cold or allergy when you typed this...
  • Reply 38 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post


    I don't understand why companies like Google or Microsoft would allow phone apps to be distributed without being vetted. I also don't understand why people get so upset that Apple and Rim actually do control what goes on their phones. I mean really. How is your life or your freedom diminished by Apple preventing harmful or malicious apps from being installed on your phone? Try to gain some perspective. Sheesh.



    Trust me, I have perspective. I don?t take this that seriously. But this sort of thing actually has pretty large ramifications in the technology world. Big enough ramifications that it?s worth at least discussing, and not mindlessly accepting it.



    Quote:

    How is your life or your freedom diminished by Apple preventing harmful or malicious apps from being installed on your phone?



    But Apple isn?t just preventing harmful or malicious apps from being installed. If they just did that, I would say ?great!?. No, they prevent applications like Google Voice, the political cartoonist (I know they reversed it after the outcry), etc. Apps have to meet MUCH stricter criteria than just not being harmful. That is where I (and others with my viewpoint) see a problem.
  • Reply 39 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by caribbean_mac View Post


    you troll



    I hope you were being sarcastic.
  • Reply 40 of 92
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    And while you're at it, please cancel your AI account if all you plan on doing is trolling this forum.



    Ok, I have been enjoying the responses and legitimate discussion up to this point. Seriously? I?m ?trolling?? I believe you need to brush up on your definition of what a troll is. I think the term you?re looking for is ?dissenting opinion,? which, to the best of my knowledge, is generally acknowledged in our society.



    Seems like a decent portion of the other responses have been ?buy another phone then.? Pretty poor attitude. Sure, it?s just the tech geeks voicing these complaints now, but what happens when the average consumer starts getting mad (Google Voice is probably the best example to date, or perhaps the denial of the political cartoonist)? Are you just going to keep telling everyone to go buy another phone? Seems like a better solution would be to either constructively deal with the problem or give proper justification for why the policies are in place. This AI article did not provide a very good justification.



    Further, as it has been mentioned, the easy way around all this is by jailbreaking. I do this, hence the reason I use the iPhone over a different device. A jailbroken iPhone is the best phone in the world. And yet, even with the open Cydia, I have yet to download an application that destroyed my phone. All the applications I?ve downloaded have been nothing short of phenomenal. I think this is a decent point to be made. Cydia has faired fine.



    However, to say this isn?t a problem because you can jailbreak is incorrect. Apple actively tries to prevent and break our ability to jailbreak the phone, thus, jailbreaking can only be looked upon as a temporary solution.



    I?m wondering where many of you stand on the open-source vs. proprietary software debate. Which is more secure? I believe most of the responses here would align more with being pro-proprietary software in terms of security, which has really been found to be quite the questionable stance.



    Sorry if I didn?t touch on all the replies generated. I tried to hit on the most direct ones, but alas, my post seems to be oft quoted and much loathed. I was a little disappointed in the general negativity and/or insulting nature of the responses, but what can you do.
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