The HTML 5 stuff is nice, but doesn't seem worthy of a keynote.
There isn't going to be an entire keynote on HTML5. If any HTML5 is included in the keynote it will be mixed in with a presentation of Safari 5's features.
We don't want Safari to be bogged down with add-ins. You have firefox for that (which incidently also the main reason I stopped using firefox. Too slow to load at start-up and you can't have all of them plug-ins at once or it will either crash or slow). I use web browser to read web sites and not need to be told what the weather is like at the far end of the globe or how I might need to see what's playing on iTunes. Leave Safari as lean as it can be and leave extra functionalities to the HTML code on the website itself. If all browsers are the same or follow each other you are effectively killing the choices.
We don't want Safari to be bogged down with add-ins. You have firefox for that (which incidently also the main reason I stopped using firefox. Too slow to load at start-up and you can't have all of them plug-ins at once or it will either crash or slow). I use web browser to read web sites and not need to be told what the weather is like at the far end of the globe or how I might need to see what's playing on iTunes. Leave Safari as lean as it can be and leave extra functionalities to the HTML code on the website itself. If all browsers are the same or follow each other you are effectively killing the choices.
Yeah Apple keep restricting us, because some people cant control them selves and install 25 plug-ins.
Or open up Safari, like Chrome, Firefox and even IE.
Wish features.....
1. Make an option to single click the URL button...you know like EVERY OTHER browser on a Mac or PC, INCLUDING Safari for Windows. I said OPTION, if some people still want to triple click, or click that small little icon at the front of the URL have at it. CHOICE IS GOOD (or if you dont use the an iPhone it is)
2. Bookmark tools. See IE8. In IE and I think FF, I can create a new folder when bookmarking a new page. I can even sort my book marks with a right click while the bookmark drop down is open....in IE. Safari bookmark sorting/organizing is a joke. Sure you can move stuff around or export them and sort them in Finder and re-import them....but its 2010 not 2001.
And it's currently the most compliant and fastest browser out today. I see Chrome being a pretty big threat to Firefox as it matures.
I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.
"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."
Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.
(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)
"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."
Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.
(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)
I was going to say the same thing. This looks more like Readibility feature. I have used that many many times to read a clutter-free page, and especially for printing, when there are tons of garbage pages that Safari ordinarily would print, but hitting Readibility reduces that anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 content., just by throwing out unnecessary frames.
"The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page.""
So Apple is finding a way to completely bypass googles main source of income. click ads. & driving more people to have to monetize their content by selling it book, app or magazine style through their stores. And website makers & content creators will jump quickly once they realise they are not making any money from ads
combine that with many people using flash to deliver ads & it not being available on all the iproducts that are flooding the world means an end to the ad funded internet
clever strategy & it will work. Apple can get rid of most of its competitors, provide people with clean ad free content & make a bundle at the same time
The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."
I don't get it. Another icon, and it does what, exactly? Do we need this?
I hope safari 5 for windows will handle html5 as well as safari 4 for mac os x; in apples html5 showcase a lot of features don't work as well as on the mac.
Apple's "HTML5 showcase" hardly uses any HTML5 at all. It's mostly CSS. So why they called it "HTML5 showcase" is the question of the day.
Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.
I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.
Keep Mozilla from adopting H.264 so they can steal their marketshare knowing that H.264 is the future? Now that is evil!
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Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.
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Good point, wrong browser. Chrome handles this the best of any browser.
And it's currently the most compliant and fastest browser out today. I see Chrome being a pretty big threat to Firefox as it matures.
The HTML 5 stuff is nice, but doesn't seem worthy of a keynote.
There isn't going to be an entire keynote on HTML5. If any HTML5 is included in the keynote it will be mixed in with a presentation of Safari 5's features.
I really wish Safari would have an option to reload all your web pages after it crashes.
This actually happens to me quite often and always makes me restart my browser using Firefox, which of course has that feature...
Ooh.. I forgot about that one.
This is why they restricted the HTML5 demo to Safari
Not following you. What do you mean by "this?"
Not following you. What do you mean by "this?"
Apple created these demos to promote Safari, not to promote every modern browser using HTML5 and CSS3.
I really wish Safari would have an option to reload all your web pages after it crashes.
History > Reopen All Windows from Last Session
-Finally solve the compatibility preferences.
-Cloud synced preferences with Safari on your other Macs and PCs using Apple ID
-User Option between tab bar or address bar for tabs. I for one loved the Safari beta.
-Restore after browser crash with save tabs option
-Smart auto hide status bar.
We don't want Safari to be bogged down with add-ins. You have firefox for that (which incidently also the main reason I stopped using firefox. Too slow to load at start-up and you can't have all of them plug-ins at once or it will either crash or slow). I use web browser to read web sites and not need to be told what the weather is like at the far end of the globe or how I might need to see what's playing on iTunes. Leave Safari as lean as it can be and leave extra functionalities to the HTML code on the website itself. If all browsers are the same or follow each other you are effectively killing the choices.
Yeah Apple keep restricting us, because some people cant control them selves and install 25 plug-ins.
Or open up Safari, like Chrome, Firefox and even IE.
Wish features.....
1. Make an option to single click the URL button...you know like EVERY OTHER browser on a Mac or PC, INCLUDING Safari for Windows. I said OPTION, if some people still want to triple click, or click that small little icon at the front of the URL have at it. CHOICE IS GOOD (or if you dont use the an iPhone it is)
2. Bookmark tools. See IE8. In IE and I think FF, I can create a new folder when bookmarking a new page. I can even sort my book marks with a right click while the bookmark drop down is open....in IE. Safari bookmark sorting/organizing is a joke. Sure you can move stuff around or export them and sort them in Finder and re-import them....but its 2010 not 2001.
3. Give use lots of search provider choices.
4. Top tabs like Chrome.
And it's currently the most compliant and fastest browser out today. I see Chrome being a pretty big threat to Firefox as it matures.
I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.
This is what they are adding:
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/
With this added and a new Safari Mobile, the Asian markets will be quite pleased.
"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."
Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.
(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)
Welcome!
"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."
Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.
(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)
I was going to say the same thing. This looks more like Readibility feature. I have used that many many times to read a clutter-free page, and especially for printing, when there are tons of garbage pages that Safari ordinarily would print, but hitting Readibility reduces that anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 content., just by throwing out unnecessary frames.
So Apple is finding a way to completely bypass googles main source of income. click ads. & driving more people to have to monetize their content by selling it book, app or magazine style through their stores. And website makers & content creators will jump quickly once they realise they are not making any money from ads
combine that with many people using flash to deliver ads & it not being available on all the iproducts that are flooding the world means an end to the ad funded internet
clever strategy & it will work. Apple can get rid of most of its competitors, provide people with clean ad free content & make a bundle at the same time
The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."
I don't get it. Another icon, and it does what, exactly? Do we need this?
I hope safari 5 for windows will handle html5 as well as safari 4 for mac os x; in apples html5 showcase a lot of features don't work as well as on the mac.
Apple's "HTML5 showcase" hardly uses any HTML5 at all. It's mostly CSS. So why they called it "HTML5 showcase" is the question of the day.
Don't forget Safari Widgets. Apple's take on web browser Extensions.
Widgets aren't extensions. They are separate applications based on web technology.
A couple things that don't seem to be addressed:
Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.
I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.
Keep Mozilla from adopting H.264 so they can steal their marketshare knowing that H.264 is the future? Now that is evil!
Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.
You may be right, but I hope you are wrong.