Speaking of iTunes, what is up with it still not using more than one core? It's the perfect example of a consumer app that would have a huge benefit from using all cores (file conversion) yet Apple STILL doesn't support that?
Speaking of iTunes, what is up with it still not using more than one core? It's the perfect example of a consumer app that would have a huge benefit from using all cores (file conversion) yet Apple STILL doesn't support that?
I'll only upgrade if I'm forced to by clients. The ribbon interface is horrible to work with. Every time I use Office 2007, I want to scream at all that wasted screen space. Not to mention that with each upgrade (Windows or Mac), Office seems to get less stable. 2008 doesn't crash on my Mac, but it is painfully sluggish. Windows 2007 has crashed on my clients so many times that the only reason they have reverted to 2003 is their clients.
What kind of company makes their product worse in the face of real competition?
Is iWork 64 bit? Rhetorical question. They just put back in VBA support. Pretty sure if they did VBA AND 64 bit something would mess up big time.0
And to all the ribbon people. If you don't like it you can minimize it. At the very least it's still far better than the current "elements gallery." The toolbar palette is still there if you like using it.
Long time ago their was a good Mac word processor named MS Word 5 for Mac. Then Microsoft decided to absorb the MacBU back into MS's application division with the goal of developing both WIndows and Mac Word from the same code base, same look, same GUI. That abomination was called Word 6 for Mac.
It was big. It was slow. It was buggy. The college I was attending refused to support it because it was so bloated it had difficulty running on the campus macs and was so different in style that they needed to retrain students and staff on how to use it.
Nobody liked it and Microsoft eventually released the MacBU from their application division and let them do their mac thing. And people rejoiced.
I remember that. I switched to NisusWriter when Word 6 came out and only went back to Word when Nisus fumbled the OSX transition. I hope and plead that Word 2011 won't share WinWord's horrible, idiot style sheet functionality. It appears to be aimed at people who don't use style sheets (creating new ones for every %#*&##!!! variation in the text, which creates so much clutter that it makes style sheets almost pointless). The horrible implementation won't get anyone to start using style sheets. Even more than PowerPoint, I fear the Windowsization of Word.
I suspect Apple will release OS 11 before MS finally catches up to 64 bit and the potential of Apple. I also suspect this is a way for MS to make PCs look better by crippling their Apple products
I'll just chime in and agree with others that point out: you are not hitting any ceilings with each MS Office app able to use 4GB memory. Apple themselves can't seem to be bothered porting many of their hugely popular apps to Cocoa/64 bit.
Chill on the MS hatefest for being just like Apple in this regard. The code transitions might be harder and huger than you think; even if they have ported to Cocoa/64 bit, it might not be stable enough yet.
As an aside, if you are paying hundreds of dollars for a word processor, spreadsheet and powerpoint slides, in my opinion you are a sucker.
I would be happy if MS would make the latest Mac and Windows version of PowerPoint export or save files with multiple (or at least Title and Main) slide masters in tact and backwards compatible with previous versions of Windows PowerPoint. Until then, the latest version of PowerPoint (mac and PC) is useless for anyone who creates custom templates of other companies, as many companies are slow to adopt the latest version.
Also, it would be nice if Excel files created in previous versions would open and save in the latest version without vague compatibility warnings.
I would be happy if MS would make the latest Mac and Windows version of PowerPoint export or save files with multiple (or at least Title and Main) slide masters in tact and backwards compatible with previous versions of Windows PowerPoint. Until then, the latest version of PowerPoint (mac and PC) is useless for anyone who creates custom templates of other companies, as many companies are slow to adopt the latest version.
Nobody anywhere makes new formats backward-compatible with old formats. That's why they're called new.
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Also, it would be nice if Excel files created in previous versions would open and save in the latest version without vague compatibility warnings.
Nobody anywhere makes new formats backward-compatible with old formats. That's why they're called new.
Nobody anywhere? I'm guessing your world only consists of MS products. "New" should not mean "render all your current files unusable" if you upgrade. You may be gullible enough to think that's a feature, but not everyone else is. Just about every other software application I use is either backwards compatible to at least one version back, or offers a save-as or export option that preserves at least the most important functions (like template masters). This is especially important for a suite of products with as large a variety of past versions in use as office. If you think it's reasonable to expect PowerPoint users to rebuild often used presentations they've already created every time they upgrade to the latest version you must be an MS employee.
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Turn off the warning
The warning itself is not the real issue. Please tell me you don't provide tech support for a living.
If you take your car to a mechanic because your engine light comes on, and their solution is to disconnect the warning light, I would strongly urge you to find another mechanic.
Opening a file created in the previous version should not result in broken formulas simply because you upgraded. If upgrading is going to break parts of your spread sheet, the warning should at least provide details and highlighted cells to show which formulas and cell references need to be reworked. Otherwise, with both issues MS is doing nothing but discouraging users from upgrading.
Given your tendencies towards being an MS apologist, I wouldn't be surprised if, "Thank you sir, may I have another" is a phrase engrained in your psyche from some part of your past.
Nobody anywhere? I'm guessing your world only consists of MS products. "New" should not mean "render all your current files unusable" if you upgrade. You may be gullible enough to think that's a feature, but not everyone else is. Just about every other software application I use is either backwards compatible to at least one version back, or offers a save-as or export option that preserves at least the most important functions (like template masters). This is especially important for a suite of products with as large a variety of past versions in use as office. If you think it's reasonable to expect PowerPoint users to rebuild often used presentations they've already created every time they upgrade to the latest version you must be an MS employee.
The warning itself is not the real issue. Please tell me you don't provide tech support for a living.
If you take your car to a mechanic because your engine light comes on, and their solution is to disconnect the warning light, I would strongly urge you to find another mechanic.
Opening a file created in the previous version should not result in broken formulas simply because you upgraded. If upgrading is going to break parts of your spread sheet, the warning should at least provide details and highlighted cells to show which formulas and cell references need to be reworked. Otherwise, with both issues MS is doing nothing but discouraging users from upgrading.
Given your tendencies towards being an MS apologist, I wouldn't be surprised if, "Thank you sir, may I have another" is a phrase engrained in your psyche from some part of your past.
New formats do not render old formats unusable. Hopefully, the developer gives the option of reading and writing the old format. However, no computer user over the age of 7 expects his old application to read the new format.
Let me explain something to you, young man. No one takes a back seat to me in my criticism of Microsoft. I believe that Microsoft's handling of file formats in Office 2007 is deplorable. Just a week or so ago, one of my colleagues needed me to convert an Office 2003 .doc file into an Office 2007 .docx file because her installation of Office 2007 can't read the older format. My Office 2008 did the trick with aplomb.
A Mac user since 1989, this user is not a switcher. I never adopted Windows. Therefore, I never had to abandon it. However, when I have to deal with Windows, I handle it like the grown man that I am. I don't b!tch and moan like a little kid. Perhaps you will do the same when you grow up.
I've done some quick checking, & it appears that there is a free upgrade if you purchase the 2008 version between Aug 1 & Dec 31. However, for those of us who already paid full retail for the complete 2008 version, there is no paid upgrade price, say $99, just full retail, the same as if you never owned a previous copy. If I have to do that, I may skip this version & wait for the really super-duper 32bit version to come out in 2015!
Before posting additional complaints about the price of Office 2011, you would do well to look at the price of Office 2008.
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Serious fail on fail action.
Speaking of iTunes, what is up with it still not using more than one core? It's the perfect example of a consumer app that would have a huge benefit from using all cores (file conversion) yet Apple STILL doesn't support that?
Serious fail on fail action.
x1000 for Final Cut Pro.
What kind of company makes their product worse in the face of real competition?
And to all the ribbon people. If you don't like it you can minimize it. At the very least it's still far better than the current "elements gallery." The toolbar palette is still there if you like using it.
Long time ago their was a good Mac word processor named MS Word 5 for Mac. Then Microsoft decided to absorb the MacBU back into MS's application division with the goal of developing both WIndows and Mac Word from the same code base, same look, same GUI. That abomination was called Word 6 for Mac.
It was big. It was slow. It was buggy. The college I was attending refused to support it because it was so bloated it had difficulty running on the campus macs and was so different in style that they needed to retrain students and staff on how to use it.
Nobody liked it and Microsoft eventually released the MacBU from their application division and let them do their mac thing. And people rejoiced.
I remember that. I switched to NisusWriter when Word 6 came out and only went back to Word when Nisus fumbled the OSX transition. I hope and plead that Word 2011 won't share WinWord's horrible, idiot style sheet functionality. It appears to be aimed at people who don't use style sheets (creating new ones for every %#*&##!!! variation in the text, which creates so much clutter that it makes style sheets almost pointless). The horrible implementation won't get anyone to start using style sheets. Even more than PowerPoint, I fear the Windowsization of Word.
Chill on the MS hatefest for being just like Apple in this regard. The code transitions might be harder and huger than you think; even if they have ported to Cocoa/64 bit, it might not be stable enough yet.
As an aside, if you are paying hundreds of dollars for a word processor, spreadsheet and powerpoint slides, in my opinion you are a sucker.
Also, it would be nice if Excel files created in previous versions would open and save in the latest version without vague compatibility warnings.
I would be happy if MS would make the latest Mac and Windows version of PowerPoint export or save files with multiple (or at least Title and Main) slide masters in tact and backwards compatible with previous versions of Windows PowerPoint. Until then, the latest version of PowerPoint (mac and PC) is useless for anyone who creates custom templates of other companies, as many companies are slow to adopt the latest version.
Nobody anywhere makes new formats backward-compatible with old formats. That's why they're called new.
Also, it would be nice if Excel files created in previous versions would open and save in the latest version without vague compatibility warnings.
Turn off the warning
Nobody anywhere makes new formats backward-compatible with old formats. That's why they're called new.
Nobody anywhere? I'm guessing your world only consists of MS products. "New" should not mean "render all your current files unusable" if you upgrade. You may be gullible enough to think that's a feature, but not everyone else is. Just about every other software application I use is either backwards compatible to at least one version back, or offers a save-as or export option that preserves at least the most important functions (like template masters). This is especially important for a suite of products with as large a variety of past versions in use as office. If you think it's reasonable to expect PowerPoint users to rebuild often used presentations they've already created every time they upgrade to the latest version you must be an MS employee.
Turn off the warning
The warning itself is not the real issue. Please tell me you don't provide tech support for a living.
If you take your car to a mechanic because your engine light comes on, and their solution is to disconnect the warning light, I would strongly urge you to find another mechanic.
Opening a file created in the previous version should not result in broken formulas simply because you upgraded. If upgrading is going to break parts of your spread sheet, the warning should at least provide details and highlighted cells to show which formulas and cell references need to be reworked. Otherwise, with both issues MS is doing nothing but discouraging users from upgrading.
Given your tendencies towards being an MS apologist, I wouldn't be surprised if, "Thank you sir, may I have another" is a phrase engrained in your psyche from some part of your past.
Nobody anywhere? I'm guessing your world only consists of MS products. "New" should not mean "render all your current files unusable" if you upgrade. You may be gullible enough to think that's a feature, but not everyone else is. Just about every other software application I use is either backwards compatible to at least one version back, or offers a save-as or export option that preserves at least the most important functions (like template masters). This is especially important for a suite of products with as large a variety of past versions in use as office. If you think it's reasonable to expect PowerPoint users to rebuild often used presentations they've already created every time they upgrade to the latest version you must be an MS employee.
The warning itself is not the real issue. Please tell me you don't provide tech support for a living.
If you take your car to a mechanic because your engine light comes on, and their solution is to disconnect the warning light, I would strongly urge you to find another mechanic.
Opening a file created in the previous version should not result in broken formulas simply because you upgraded. If upgrading is going to break parts of your spread sheet, the warning should at least provide details and highlighted cells to show which formulas and cell references need to be reworked. Otherwise, with both issues MS is doing nothing but discouraging users from upgrading.
Given your tendencies towards being an MS apologist, I wouldn't be surprised if, "Thank you sir, may I have another" is a phrase engrained in your psyche from some part of your past.
New formats do not render old formats unusable. Hopefully, the developer gives the option of reading and writing the old format. However, no computer user over the age of 7 expects his old application to read the new format.
Let me explain something to you, young man. No one takes a back seat to me in my criticism of Microsoft. I believe that Microsoft's handling of file formats in Office 2007 is deplorable. Just a week or so ago, one of my colleagues needed me to convert an Office 2003 .doc file into an Office 2007 .docx file because her installation of Office 2007 can't read the older format. My Office 2008 did the trick with aplomb.
A Mac user since 1989, this user is not a switcher. I never adopted Windows. Therefore, I never had to abandon it. However, when I have to deal with Windows, I handle it like the grown man that I am. I don't b!tch and moan like a little kid. Perhaps you will do the same when you grow up.
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I've done some quick checking, & it appears that there is a free upgrade if you purchase the 2008 version between Aug 1 & Dec 31. However, for those of us who already paid full retail for the complete 2008 version, there is no paid upgrade price, say $99, just full retail, the same as if you never owned a previous copy. If I have to do that, I may skip this version & wait for the really super-duper 32bit version to come out in 2015!
Before posting additional complaints about the price of Office 2011, you would do well to look at the price of Office 2008.