That's too bad....I find it hard to believe that the processor isn't powerful enough, there are some decent 3GS video editors already out there......Hi-def only? Not sure about that either, I'm sure for iPhone 4 there must be non-hi-def export settings for YouTube and email options....
They could make the original iPhone technically have an iMovie app that runs on devices running v2.x. They could also write Snow Leopard to run on 10 year old PPC Macs if they wanted to.
As a developer you have to weigh your options. How much extra expense do you want to put in to support a small segment of your market? The smartphone market as well as interest in the iPhone is growing rapidly making the share of the earlier models small in comparison.
On top of that, AT&T (the largest single carrier for iPhone users) is making it foolish for most who bought an iPhone last Summer to not get an iPhone 4 this summer by dropping the ETF fee and making near everyone Upgrade Eligible.
Then you have to consider what are the technological drawbacks to making iMovie for a non-optimized Cortex-A8 running at 600MHz. Even though it's technically possible, perhaps they didn't feel it was feasible, but it was to slow with the complexity of the editor they wanted to make. Perhaps they wanted this app to go live last year but the technology just wasn't there. Maybe it uses OpenCL* to really make for unbelievably fast and rich editing on a mobile.
* It's about time something used OpenCL or what's the point of it existing.
The iPhone Camera Roll thumbnails appear in the iPad Photos Camera Tab
You can mark individual items for import or import all
As you take additional photos or video clips, they immediately appear at the bottom of the iPad thumbnails and can be imported as above.
It is a very workable arrangement (especially if you are out and about for a while).
When iMovie becomes available for the iPad, I suspect you will have a quite powerful and very convenient mobile, consumer-level video editing platform.
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Again, not arguing against the impossibility of editing on the iPad.
However, the average iPad owner has several computers, usually including one Mac notebook. Not a big deal at this time.
iMovie is already available and pre-installed on many more Macs than there are iPads. Right now. The way the iPad is currently priced, it's not a bargain solution to a Mac notebook or Mac mini.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
After all, the iPad has only been less than two months. iMovie on the iPad will be more meaningful when Apple has sold ten, twenty, thirty million of them. The presence of an on-board camera might help, but really the iPad would need a faster interface than USB 2.0.
I don't get this reasoning. Apple has sold exactly zero iPhone 4s, and iMovie won't run on anything else, and of course the iPhone doesn't have a faster interface than USB 2.0 either. So none of these are reasons why the iPad won't have this software whenever Apple gets around to it. The lack of a built-in camera is also not a good reason, since connecting a camera to the iPad is only a matter of having the camera and the connection kit.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
I don't know who this Joe Consumer guy is, but already I don't like him.
Your reasoning is just plain faulty. The iPhone is certainly in no way inherently more viable as a video editing platform than the iPad. In fact the much smaller display would argue just the opposite.
Carlson also reported that iMovie projects won't transfer to the desktop version of iMove for additional editing, although the movies it renders are in standard formats that could be imported into a desktop project.
This is just ludicrous that you can't edit an iMovie file from an iPhone with a Mac.
It's right up there with iPad and Mac iWork incompatibilities.
Apple controls the whole damn widget, there should be no excuses for this kind of disconnect.
No thank you. I don't want to bother copying the clips into my iPad for editing. I would rather do it on desktop unless the editing device is the capture devise itself. That rule out iPad until it came with a camera. Obviously iPhone fit the bill. Who's with me?
Pushing aside the fact that Jobs mentioned this at All Things D, couldn't you say the same about photo editing? If so then why did Apple even bother offering the Camera Connection Kit?
I get the feeling that so many people here have got so accustomed to the mouse that they can't conceive of an alternative. The iPhone version of iMovie makes even less sense than the iPad. People are going to have to eventually accept that this will not be just a luxury device. Jobs has bigger plans for this and has admitted as such.
IMHO, a camera on the iPad sounds crazy. I'm not holding that thing up to take a picture. A webcam makes much more sense. The iPhone has already replaced the Flip and probably can replace a point and shoot for most.
The iPad has the iWork apps and the iPhone has the iMovie app. Hopefully Apple will bring the iWork apps to the iPhone (no reason they cannot). iMovie and the rest of iLife on the iPad would be great. Though I want Apple to bring out newer versions of iWork and iLife for the Mac before they do anymore work for the suites on the iDevices.
IMHO, a camera on the iPad sounds crazy. I'm not holding that thing up to take a picture. A webcam makes much more sense.
I think the next iPad and Touch will at least get a front-facing camera for FaceTime.
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The iPhone has already replaced the Flip and probably can replace a point and shoot for most.
I wonder how the Nano is doing in that department. They added the camera last time and directly compared it to the SD Flip cameras. I have to wonder if an A4 plus HD video are not next on the list for it.
iPhones a good test bed for iPad. They'll garner lots of feedback on this before launching a much improved version on iPad. iMovie and iPad were made for each other.
Apps like iMovie will help change the game towards tablets because people want creativity and functionality in one device.
And how is not having a camera on the iPad any influence on its ability to work with movies. DUH!
I cannot imagine many people being interested in doing full-length editing on the iPad or iPhone. The reason that the iPhone has iMovie is so that you can edit the short videos that you take on that device. If you're going to shoot on a separate device (i.e. video camera), it makes a lot more sense to edit and render in iMovie, Final Cut, etc. The touch interface of the iPad would make editing pretty fun, but I doubt the A4 is up to the task.
That being said, iMovie looks very capable for a mobile app.
If you're going to shoot on a separate device (i.e. video camera), it makes a lot more sense to edit and render in iMovie, Final Cut, etc. The touch interface of the iPad would make editing pretty fun, but I doubt the A4 is up to the task.
That being said, iMovie looks very capable for a mobile app.
Absolutely, this isn't made for hardcore editing, just something quick yet classy. I can't see any other developer coming close to this. I am not even big on taking video but I'll likely buy this app to play with. I think we've gotten spoiled by iPhone app as I can't help but think it's expensive and inexpensive at the same time. Too many great free and 99¢ apps, I suppose.
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I cannot imagine many people being interested in doing full-length editing on the iPad or iPhone. The reason that the iPhone has iMovie is so that you can edit the short videos that you take on that device.
That's the rub. There is a certain type of user that will have the iPad and camera kit on vacation and want to edit and uploads their videos quickly. I think this will be a great product when it finally comes out. I also think it could help sell the camera kit because you get more than just storage of your images and video.
However, there is one glaring issue with this idea. It seems that only the newer cameras are using video and audio codecs that the IPad can natively decode. I don't know the percentages of cameras not using MPEG-4 (which includes H.264) or what the projected number is in the future, but it seems to be that AVI and DV video is still pretty popular codecs (but I'm not expert here and really don't want to research it). So, will they just wait it out, ignore other codecs or allow the device to transcode the content before you can edit, which could take awhile on an ARM processor.
Again, not arguing against the impossibility of editing on the iPad.
However, the average iPad owner has several computers, usually including one Mac notebook. Not a big deal at this time.
iMovie is already available and pre-installed on many more Macs than there are iPads. Right now. The way the iPad is currently priced, it's not a bargain solution to a Mac notebook or Mac mini.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
Then there are an awful lot of rich people with toys in America. Soon there will be ten times that number with world sales adding up.
That $499 is not a rich person's device. A fancy designer watch that has diamonds in it is a rich person's device.
This tool will continue to evolve and fill a need. It won't replace the world's desktop or laptop computers, no matter how many they sell. People will realize that one computer per person actually will be rare.
No thank you. I don't want to bother copying the clips into my iPad for editing. I would rather do it on desktop unless the editing device is the capture devise itself. That rule out iPad until it came with a camera. Obviously iPhone fit the bill. Who's with me?
I'm not. The iPad 3G is a great replacement for the laptop for an Army Public Affairs Specialist, lightweight, large screen, the ability to edit B-Roll from our digital video cameras would just about make it perfect.
Long patrols on foot necessitate light gear, we're not allowed to use photoshop for other than global color corrections so there so no need for high powered computing. We need to view the photos on are camera on a large screen and be able to send them off within minutes.
We won't be completing finished movies in the field. Just clips of B-Roll to send back to editors.
This is just ludicrous that you can't edit an iMovie file from an iPhone with a Mac.
It's right up there with iPad and Mac iWork incompatibilities.
Apple controls the whole damn widget, there should be no excuses for this kind of disconnect.
I disagree, the iMovie for iPhone app shares the name, and little else. iMovie on the desktop has far more options than the mobile version, and if they were to be interoperable the mobile version would have to understand all of the desktop features (even if it could not implement them). It's not just a case of ignoring what you don't understand in the file when you load it in, and keeping it there when you re-save it, you have to know what the changes you make with the features the the mobile version DOES have, won;t affect the rest of the stuff that it doesn't understand.
For example, in iMovie desktop I might have 2 consecutive movie streams with a shared audio track, and I switch from 1 view to another. If iMovie Mobile doesn;t understand all this, it might strip out the bits of video that are not being used, so they end up missing when you re-export it back to the desktop. OK, a made up example that might not be valid or even make sense, but you should understand the point.
Anyone working on the Desktop is likely to be working with files that the iPhone cannot handle anyway. Huge AVI format files pulled straight from a camcorder etc. How do you implement file compatibility and on an iPhone that cannot even use these formats?
Just be glad that the iMovie app can do more than just trim and title, and stop expecting an app that costs less than a movie ticket to do home enthusiast level editing that would tax a full on desktop OS app.
As an FCP editor fulltime, I cringe for the day when someone shows up with their video on their iPhone and asks me to somehow get that to tape. It's starting to get ridiculous.
How should that effect its ability to edit video, it only effects the iPad's ability to capture video.
You really need this spelled out?
iMovie for iPhone is an app for editing video captured WITH THE device.
iPad has no ability to record video, hence no need for an editing application.
You *could* transfer movies to the iPad for editing. But this is cumbersome, and Apple does not do cumbersome (not if it can help it, anyway).
Now, if and when iPad gets a camera, or if and when a system for quick syncing of movie and other file content between iPhone/iPad is devised, be sure that iPad will get iMovie too.
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That's too bad....I find it hard to believe that the processor isn't powerful enough, there are some decent 3GS video editors already out there......Hi-def only? Not sure about that either, I'm sure for iPhone 4 there must be non-hi-def export settings for YouTube and email options....
They could make the original iPhone technically have an iMovie app that runs on devices running v2.x. They could also write Snow Leopard to run on 10 year old PPC Macs if they wanted to.
As a developer you have to weigh your options. How much extra expense do you want to put in to support a small segment of your market? The smartphone market as well as interest in the iPhone is growing rapidly making the share of the earlier models small in comparison.
On top of that, AT&T (the largest single carrier for iPhone users) is making it foolish for most who bought an iPhone last Summer to not get an iPhone 4 this summer by dropping the ETF fee and making near everyone Upgrade Eligible.
Then you have to consider what are the technological drawbacks to making iMovie for a non-optimized Cortex-A8 running at 600MHz. Even though it's technically possible, perhaps they didn't feel it was feasible, but it was to slow with the complexity of the editor they wanted to make. Perhaps they wanted this app to go live last year but the technology just wasn't there. Maybe it uses OpenCL* to really make for unbelievably fast and rich editing on a mobile.
* It's about time something used OpenCL or what's the point of it existing.
1) Connect the iPhone to the iPad via the CCK
2) Start the Photos app on the iPad
3) Start the Camera app on the Iphone
The iPhone Camera Roll thumbnails appear in the iPad Photos Camera Tab
You can mark individual items for import or import all
As you take additional photos or video clips, they immediately appear at the bottom of the iPad thumbnails and can be imported as above.
It is a very workable arrangement (especially if you are out and about for a while).
When iMovie becomes available for the iPad, I suspect you will have a quite powerful and very convenient mobile, consumer-level video editing platform.
.
Again, not arguing against the impossibility of editing on the iPad.
However, the average iPad owner has several computers, usually including one Mac notebook. Not a big deal at this time.
iMovie is already available and pre-installed on many more Macs than there are iPads. Right now. The way the iPad is currently priced, it's not a bargain solution to a Mac notebook or Mac mini.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
After all, the iPad has only been less than two months. iMovie on the iPad will be more meaningful when Apple has sold ten, twenty, thirty million of them. The presence of an on-board camera might help, but really the iPad would need a faster interface than USB 2.0.
I don't get this reasoning. Apple has sold exactly zero iPhone 4s, and iMovie won't run on anything else, and of course the iPhone doesn't have a faster interface than USB 2.0 either. So none of these are reasons why the iPad won't have this software whenever Apple gets around to it. The lack of a built-in camera is also not a good reason, since connecting a camera to the iPad is only a matter of having the camera and the connection kit.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
I don't know who this Joe Consumer guy is, but already I don't like him.
Your reasoning is just plain faulty. The iPhone is certainly in no way inherently more viable as a video editing platform than the iPad. In fact the much smaller display would argue just the opposite.
Carlson also reported that iMovie projects won't transfer to the desktop version of iMove for additional editing, although the movies it renders are in standard formats that could be imported into a desktop project.
This is just ludicrous that you can't edit an iMovie file from an iPhone with a Mac.
It's right up there with iPad and Mac iWork incompatibilities.
Apple controls the whole damn widget, there should be no excuses for this kind of disconnect.
No thank you. I don't want to bother copying the clips into my iPad for editing. I would rather do it on desktop unless the editing device is the capture devise itself. That rule out iPad until it came with a camera. Obviously iPhone fit the bill. Who's with me?
Pushing aside the fact that Jobs mentioned this at All Things D, couldn't you say the same about photo editing? If so then why did Apple even bother offering the Camera Connection Kit?
I get the feeling that so many people here have got so accustomed to the mouse that they can't conceive of an alternative. The iPhone version of iMovie makes even less sense than the iPad. People are going to have to eventually accept that this will not be just a luxury device. Jobs has bigger plans for this and has admitted as such.
IMHO, a camera on the iPad sounds crazy. I'm not holding that thing up to take a picture. A webcam makes much more sense. The iPhone has already replaced the Flip and probably can replace a point and shoot for most.
IMHO, a camera on the iPad sounds crazy. I'm not holding that thing up to take a picture. A webcam makes much more sense.
I think the next iPad and Touch will at least get a front-facing camera for FaceTime.
The iPhone has already replaced the Flip and probably can replace a point and shoot for most.
I wonder how the Nano is doing in that department. They added the camera last time and directly compared it to the SD Flip cameras. I have to wonder if an A4 plus HD video are not next on the list for it.
Apps like iMovie will help change the game towards tablets because people want creativity and functionality in one device.
And how is not having a camera on the iPad any influence on its ability to work with movies. DUH!
I cannot imagine many people being interested in doing full-length editing on the iPad or iPhone. The reason that the iPhone has iMovie is so that you can edit the short videos that you take on that device. If you're going to shoot on a separate device (i.e. video camera), it makes a lot more sense to edit and render in iMovie, Final Cut, etc. The touch interface of the iPad would make editing pretty fun, but I doubt the A4 is up to the task.
That being said, iMovie looks very capable for a mobile app.
If you're going to shoot on a separate device (i.e. video camera), it makes a lot more sense to edit and render in iMovie, Final Cut, etc. The touch interface of the iPad would make editing pretty fun, but I doubt the A4 is up to the task.
That being said, iMovie looks very capable for a mobile app.
Absolutely, this isn't made for hardcore editing, just something quick yet classy. I can't see any other developer coming close to this. I am not even big on taking video but I'll likely buy this app to play with. I think we've gotten spoiled by iPhone app as I can't help but think it's expensive and inexpensive at the same time. Too many great free and 99¢ apps, I suppose.
I cannot imagine many people being interested in doing full-length editing on the iPad or iPhone. The reason that the iPhone has iMovie is so that you can edit the short videos that you take on that device.
That's the rub. There is a certain type of user that will have the iPad and camera kit on vacation and want to edit and uploads their videos quickly. I think this will be a great product when it finally comes out. I also think it could help sell the camera kit because you get more than just storage of your images and video.
However, there is one glaring issue with this idea. It seems that only the newer cameras are using video and audio codecs that the IPad can natively decode. I don't know the percentages of cameras not using MPEG-4 (which includes H.264) or what the projected number is in the future, but it seems to be that AVI and DV video is still pretty popular codecs (but I'm not expert here and really don't want to research it). So, will they just wait it out, ignore other codecs or allow the device to transcode the content before you can edit, which could take awhile on an ARM processor.
Again, not arguing against the impossibility of editing on the iPad.
However, the average iPad owner has several computers, usually including one Mac notebook. Not a big deal at this time.
iMovie is already available and pre-installed on many more Macs than there are iPads. Right now. The way the iPad is currently priced, it's not a bargain solution to a Mac notebook or Mac mini.
The iPad is a rich person's toy right now. As an AAPL shareholder, I have no problems with that. COGS will eventually come down, it will get cheaper, but it's rather silly to expect Joe Consumer to see iPad as a viable video/photo editing platform at this time. Bringing basic editing to iPhone is far more relevant to Joe Consumer's needs.
Then there are an awful lot of rich people with toys in America. Soon there will be ten times that number with world sales adding up.
That $499 is not a rich person's device. A fancy designer watch that has diamonds in it is a rich person's device.
This tool will continue to evolve and fill a need. It won't replace the world's desktop or laptop computers, no matter how many they sell. People will realize that one computer per person actually will be rare.
Considering that the iPad has a bigger screen, I'd expect a more complex version of iMovie for $10-15. I wouldn't want the same iMovie as the iPhone.
I MOVIE IS IMOVIE IS IMOVIE
ITS ALL THE SAME
apple will at some point give all the devices cross pollination for all its apps
it so simple to do
too crazy not to do
why cripple the ipad
i see a face video chat coming at some point to the ipad
netflix and all the rest also will make to ipad
what we need is a bundles buy
15IN HIGH END MBP 2 GPU CHIP
WITH AN IPAD 250G
PLUS AN IPHONE 4 64G
ALL IN ONE BOX WITH ATV AND A 2TB BACKUP STORAGE SERVER THROWN IN
sorry i forgot speakers ???
2 bose radios !!!
6 am in nyc i need a life
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No thank you. I don't want to bother copying the clips into my iPad for editing. I would rather do it on desktop unless the editing device is the capture devise itself. That rule out iPad until it came with a camera. Obviously iPhone fit the bill. Who's with me?
I'm not. The iPad 3G is a great replacement for the laptop for an Army Public Affairs Specialist, lightweight, large screen, the ability to edit B-Roll from our digital video cameras would just about make it perfect.
Long patrols on foot necessitate light gear, we're not allowed to use photoshop for other than global color corrections so there so no need for high powered computing. We need to view the photos on are camera on a large screen and be able to send them off within minutes.
We won't be completing finished movies in the field. Just clips of B-Roll to send back to editors.
This is just ludicrous that you can't edit an iMovie file from an iPhone with a Mac.
It's right up there with iPad and Mac iWork incompatibilities.
Apple controls the whole damn widget, there should be no excuses for this kind of disconnect.
I disagree, the iMovie for iPhone app shares the name, and little else. iMovie on the desktop has far more options than the mobile version, and if they were to be interoperable the mobile version would have to understand all of the desktop features (even if it could not implement them). It's not just a case of ignoring what you don't understand in the file when you load it in, and keeping it there when you re-save it, you have to know what the changes you make with the features the the mobile version DOES have, won;t affect the rest of the stuff that it doesn't understand.
For example, in iMovie desktop I might have 2 consecutive movie streams with a shared audio track, and I switch from 1 view to another. If iMovie Mobile doesn;t understand all this, it might strip out the bits of video that are not being used, so they end up missing when you re-export it back to the desktop. OK, a made up example that might not be valid or even make sense, but you should understand the point.
Anyone working on the Desktop is likely to be working with files that the iPhone cannot handle anyway. Huge AVI format files pulled straight from a camcorder etc. How do you implement file compatibility and on an iPhone that cannot even use these formats?
Just be glad that the iMovie app can do more than just trim and title, and stop expecting an app that costs less than a movie ticket to do home enthusiast level editing that would tax a full on desktop OS app.
I've not seen Apple claim that the iPhone 4 is faster than the 3GS - has anyone else?
I don't recall that specifically being stated either.
I've not seen Apple claim that the iPhone 4 is faster than the 3GS - has anyone else?
They haven't made a big song and dance about it, but it's just obvious, surely?
How should that effect its ability to edit video, it only effects the iPad's ability to capture video.
You really need this spelled out?
iMovie for iPhone is an app for editing video captured WITH THE device.
iPad has no ability to record video, hence no need for an editing application.
You *could* transfer movies to the iPad for editing. But this is cumbersome, and Apple does not do cumbersome (not if it can help it, anyway).
Now, if and when iPad gets a camera, or if and when a system for quick syncing of movie and other file content between iPhone/iPad is devised, be sure that iPad will get iMovie too.