I wish Dan would update his charts after comments point out various items to add or clarify, but think he almost never does. it's really hard for anyone to get any chart like this 100% right the first time. it's great that he tries, but he should finish it off.
If he finished/updated the chart, it might not end up as heavily Apple slanted as it is currently. That's something Dilger will NOT allow.
I've used MobileMe and apart from find my iPhone not working and just killing my iPhone battery I have to say it all worked well.
However I've also used Microsoft Live Mesh for syncing data and that worked better and was free. Like most people I also have an email address and no real desire to change it to one I would have to pay for. Which basically leaves calendars and thats not worth £80 a year, plus it sounds like Microsoft are making Live Calendars sync as well for free.
I did always think Apple were going to lead the way with cloud services but with Microsoft unveiling Office Live and the changes to hotmail etc over the last few weeks, whats the point anyone else trying. If you can now edit word format docs online for free, what's the point of the others now?
I was quite surprised to discover today, that an HTC Legend running Android 2.1, was unable to be set up as an Exchange account with Gmail like an iPhone can.
Or I can host my own Zimbra instance and have contacts, calendar and email synced wirelessly with my phone and all the same data available natively on my Macs without having to trust either Google or Apple with my personal data.
Nice! I've heard the Zimbra name for quite some time, but never really looked at what they provide. This looks like a great set of tools if it really works as well as advertised.
Why people are comfortable trusting large corporations (any of them) with virtually all of their personal information, contacts, schedules, etc., is beyond me. I guess people are just lazy and/or don't really think through all the possible consequences.
Nothing but your privacy and control over your own data
+1 Great quote, succinct. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
The basic question is, do you want to be in control of your data and your privacy, iOS, or do you want to give up control of that to Google, Android, a company that has repeatedly shown that it respects no boundaries, no privacy, no law?
This issue takes us back to some of the reasons the "personal computer" was created in the first place: to give individuals the ability to decide for themselves when and how they used computing resources and give them privacy and personal control of that experience. Apple's strategy is entirely in line with that original purpose, a purpose which is even more relevant today than then. Google's strategy is to strip away that experience, to take away personal control of computing and privacy, to become the gatekeeper even of our own information.
Another +1 for being old enough to remember this (guessing) and wise enough to understand. Apple is no saint on this topic either, but they are several steps better than the alternatives.
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Originally Posted by Sky King
All this talk of the "cloud" seem to have value UNTIL you decide two things:
1. My data and software belong to ME and reside somewhere that I control. <snip>
Someone else who "gets it".
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Originally Posted by BertP
Excellent post. Come on people, do you know what 'data mining' means?
Ha, good one.
Thankfully at least some people understand these issues, because it seems most of the kiddies don't understand and/or care. Unfortunately, it's difficult if not impossible in some cases to stuff the genie back into the bottle. I predict that many of you will at some point in your lives regret the decisions to place your (and your friends'!) personal data out on public servers for use by these poorly overseen corporations and for sale to the highest bidders.
I was quite surprised to discover today, that an HTC Legend running Android 2.1, was unable to be set up as an Exchange account with Gmail like an iPhone can.
I had to set it up as POP/IMAP.
That doesn't make any sense... You can't set it up as an exchange account because Android's built in GMail client uses a more direct (and more secure considering Android's Exchange limitations) Google sync. What would you gain from using Exchange over using the built-in Gmail sync? It has push, calendars, contacts, photos, and everything else. You can setup as many Gmail accounts as you want through that method... You should never have to use POP/IMAP for Gmail on Android.
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I wish Dan would update his charts after comments point out various items to add or clarify, but think he almost never does. it's really hard for anyone to get any chart like this 100% right the first time. it's great that he tries, but he should finish it off.
If he finished/updated the chart, it might not end up as heavily Apple slanted as it is currently. That's something Dilger will NOT allow.
However I've also used Microsoft Live Mesh for syncing data and that worked better and was free. Like most people I also have an email address and no real desire to change it to one I would have to pay for. Which basically leaves calendars and thats not worth £80 a year, plus it sounds like Microsoft are making Live Calendars sync as well for free.
I did always think Apple were going to lead the way with cloud services but with Microsoft unveiling Office Live and the changes to hotmail etc over the last few weeks, whats the point anyone else trying. If you can now edit word format docs online for free, what's the point of the others now?
I had to set it up as POP/IMAP.
Or I can host my own Zimbra instance and have contacts, calendar and email synced wirelessly with my phone and all the same data available natively on my Macs without having to trust either Google or Apple with my personal data.
Nice! I've heard the Zimbra name for quite some time, but never really looked at what they provide. This looks like a great set of tools if it really works as well as advertised.
Why people are comfortable trusting large corporations (any of them) with virtually all of their personal information, contacts, schedules, etc., is beyond me. I guess people are just lazy and/or don't really think through all the possible consequences.
With Google, you lose nothing.
Nothing but your privacy and control over your own data
+1 Great quote, succinct. Thank you.
The basic question is, do you want to be in control of your data and your privacy, iOS, or do you want to give up control of that to Google, Android, a company that has repeatedly shown that it respects no boundaries, no privacy, no law?
This issue takes us back to some of the reasons the "personal computer" was created in the first place: to give individuals the ability to decide for themselves when and how they used computing resources and give them privacy and personal control of that experience. Apple's strategy is entirely in line with that original purpose, a purpose which is even more relevant today than then. Google's strategy is to strip away that experience, to take away personal control of computing and privacy, to become the gatekeeper even of our own information.
Another +1 for being old enough to remember this (guessing) and wise enough to understand. Apple is no saint on this topic either, but they are several steps better than the alternatives.
All this talk of the "cloud" seem to have value UNTIL you decide two things:
1. My data and software belong to ME and reside somewhere that I control. <snip>
Someone else who "gets it".
Excellent post. Come on people, do you know what 'data mining' means?
Ha, good one.
Thankfully at least some people understand these issues, because it seems most of the kiddies don't understand and/or care. Unfortunately, it's difficult if not impossible in some cases to stuff the genie back into the bottle. I predict that many of you will at some point in your lives regret the decisions to place your (and your friends'!) personal data out on public servers for use by these poorly overseen corporations and for sale to the highest bidders.
I was quite surprised to discover today, that an HTC Legend running Android 2.1, was unable to be set up as an Exchange account with Gmail like an iPhone can.
I had to set it up as POP/IMAP.
That doesn't make any sense... You can't set it up as an exchange account because Android's built in GMail client uses a more direct (and more secure considering Android's Exchange limitations) Google sync. What would you gain from using Exchange over using the built-in Gmail sync? It has push, calendars, contacts, photos, and everything else. You can setup as many Gmail accounts as you want through that method... You should never have to use POP/IMAP for Gmail on Android.