Everyone is a scientist. If it's pro Apple stock, it's bound to get a mention on AI. Last week CR was a great publication known for their honesty, this week, it's ignorant and unscientific!
If you'd bought some of the fridges and dishwashers they have recommended over the years so would you!
It's a control group. I've been saying the same thing since this issue appeared, we still don't know what the cause is. Touching the "3G-Spot" shows a result, but not the actual cause.
But how important is it that we the consumers know what the cause is? Fundamentally, the result is that "holding it wrong" drops calls. As a buyer, I don't really care too much *what* causes it so long as Apple comes up with a no-cost remedy.
It was linked to on TUAW before AI had the story, so not a strenuous search.
All I'm saying is I knew he posted it before I clicked through. Last week CR were the example for the iPhone, and this week he's burning them at the stake 'cause they found something he didn't like. He certainly has no integrity anyway. He's flip-flopping just as much as he thinks they are. Rather than saying they found something new to them. Some of the most prolific posters around here are dropping like flies, and frankly I think AI should give a shit.
I'm sure you searched around for an article like this, Daniel.
As a shareholder you aren't doing Apple any favors but refusing to acknowledge the real issue here along with them. Fixing it would have a better long-term result for their image, and their stock.
My thoughts exactly. Daniel Eran Dilger our most unbiased AI reporter
This reminds me of the mass hysteria surrounding Toyota breaks. Now there's news that most of the problems were in fact driver error. That's right, stupid people doing stupid things and then blaming someone/something else. There are way too many stupid people on this planet. The irony is that no one ever thinks of themselves as being the stupid one. There have been studies which shows that 70-80% of the people think that they have above average IQ. How can that be? That's mathematically impossible. You ever meet a super model that think of herself as being stupid? Ever meet anyone who admits to being a moron? Folks, the next time you open your big trap, take a good at yourself in the mirror, you may be a moron and don't even know it.
Well, I think the antenna problem is way overblown. 99% of the owners have no problems with they think that they do which is not the same thing as actually having a problem. Mass hysteria. It's a well known phenomenon in the psychiatric circles.
Have a little patience, wait until Apple releases their new firmware before bitching.
Bob Egan is the Global Head of Research and Chief Analyst. Bob provides unified leadership direction for all matters related to the strategy, policies, best practices, and business operations of the research products group.
Bob has more than 30 years of experience in information technology. Before joining TowerGroup, he founded and led Mobile Competency, a boutique market analyst and consulting company focused on enterprise mobile and wireless technologies and solutions. He previously held corporate, product development, and technical leadership positions at Corechange, Gartner, Digital Equipment Corp., Waters Associates, Fenwal Inc and GTE Research Laboratories. As technical director for Emerging Technologies at Digital, he was responsible for some of the pioneering efforts in wireless LANs, data-over-cable TV, and mobile IP. As a vice president with Gartner Group, Bob received the firm's esteemed Thought Leadership Achievement Award. Wireless Review has called Bob Egan the "Market Maker," and Technology Marketing Group named him one of the top six most influential industry analysts.
Bob has written hundreds of articles and reports on the mobile industry, and his comments have been featured in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Forbes, Business Week, and Fortune as well as on ABC News, CNBC, BBC TV, and The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. A graduate of Wentworth Institute and Bryant College, he is a member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers and is a NARTE board-certified electromagnetic engineer. Bob is one of the original authors of the IEEE 802.11 Wireless LAN standard underlying Wi-Fi.
If my company had just released a product and CR did not recommend it.
I would comment on that.
I know Apple does not comment on much. Accept when stuff isn't true.
Remember that Steve Jobs back and forth mail thing a couple of weeks ago some guy tried to sell.
They came out and said that was fake.
I guess they are hoping this will die down. Or scrambling to figure out what the problem is.
If they had known about this before hand, why did they not put the seam on the bottom?
This whole thing is crazy. COMMENT ON IT.
I know they sent out a pressrelease. But that did not mention the seam did it?
It just said, all phones does this.
One more thing. My 3GSs baseband is fubar after 4.0. 3G service jumps up and done like never before. Something is not right. Why mess with it in the first place. It worked fine.
If you'd bought some of the fridges and dishwashers they have recommended over the years so would you!
Yeah, I don't really want to jump on the CR bashing bandwagon, but, as has been pointed out before, if you actually know something about products of a given type, one will find that the reviews on CR tend to focus on irrelevant features and rarely end up recommending the product a knowledgeable consumer would choose. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.
Their reviews can be, or at least in the past (pre-WWW) were, sometimes useful for comparing certain things across products, when that information was otherwise hard to come by, but certainly not definitive statements of which is actually the best product.
That being said, it doesn't tell us specifically whether their iP4 testing is valid or not.
Well because Apple knows the issue is real and if CR found the issue, which they did, Apple would look even worse then they already do now on this issue, if that's possible. Moreover Apple rarely comment on stuff like this.
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
But how important is it that we the consumers know what the cause is? Fundamentally, the result is that "holding it wrong" drops calls. As a buyer, I don't really care too much *what* causes it so long as Apple comes up with a no-cost remedy.
As a consumer, your only concern should be: Does this product fit my needs?
There is no perfect product, though there may be a product perfect for an individual. It seems ironic that ones that hate on Apple the most are the same ones that hold Apple and their products to a standard not achievable in this Universe with consumer electronics.
I've tested the hell out of my iPhone 4 and it's still the best phone I've ever used. Are there things I would change to suit my needs? Absolutely, but I'll save my laundry list of wishes for threads pertaining to next year's device.
People have been complaining about the iPhone as a phone since day one. They've also been complaining about the lack of a physical keyboard. You learn to use it or you don't. Apple isn't required to screw it's case making partners to give you a free Bumper. There is no entitlement here, everyone has the choice ? has always had the choice ? to buy or not to buy and to return if it doesn't suit their needs. I did that with my iPad because of a Safari SW bug. If they resolve that and up it to 512MB RAM I'll consider buying again, but I'm not seeking a lawsuit for damages because the fragile world I live was shattered.
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
It doesn't matter anyway. Like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, even if on occasion he is right, no one believes him.
As a consumer, your only concern should be: Does this product fit my needs?
Do I need to make phone calls and want a highly reliable way of doing that? If the answer to that is yes, then no. 'Cause the iPhone isn't highly-releaible in that department. The Nexus One is similarly not highly-releaible in that department. So neither of them are suited to that type of customer. If you're a guy who make a lot of important calls, get something else. Or get a 3G S.
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claims then you would think that would be defamation......Alot of people trust consumer reports and so this will hurt apple....not much but some
Everyone is a scientist. If it's pro Apple stock, it's bound to get a mention on AI. Last week CR was a great publication known for their honesty, this week, it's ignorant and unscientific!
If you'd bought some of the fridges and dishwashers they have recommended over the years so would you!
It's a control group. I've been saying the same thing since this issue appeared, we still don't know what the cause is. Touching the "3G-Spot" shows a result, but not the actual cause.
But how important is it that we the consumers know what the cause is? Fundamentally, the result is that "holding it wrong" drops calls. As a buyer, I don't really care too much *what* causes it so long as Apple comes up with a no-cost remedy.
I'm sure you searched around for an article like this, Daniel.
It was linked to on TUAW before AI had the story, so not a strenuous search.
It was linked to on TUAW before AI had the story, so not a strenuous search.
All I'm saying is I knew he posted it before I clicked through. Last week CR were the example for the iPhone, and this week he's burning them at the stake 'cause they found something he didn't like. He certainly has no integrity anyway. He's flip-flopping just as much as he thinks they are. Rather than saying they found something new to them. Some of the most prolific posters around here are dropping like flies, and frankly I think AI should give a shit.
Sounds like consumer reports really went out on a limb here....if they are wrong in their
claims then you would think that would be defamation......Alot of people trust consumer reports and so this will hurt apple....not much but some
Not as much as when people start putting band-aids on the iPhones in the Apple Store... I mean, that's gotta hurt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmk7mTgOqqM
I'm sure you searched around for an article like this, Daniel.
As a shareholder you aren't doing Apple any favors but refusing to acknowledge the real issue here along with them. Fixing it would have a better long-term result for their image, and their stock.
Not as much as when people start putting band-aids on the iPhones in the Apple Store... I mean, that's gotta hurt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmk7mTgOqqM
You did a good job on that...
Well, I think the antenna problem is way overblown. 99% of the owners have no problems with they think that they do which is not the same thing as actually having a problem. Mass hysteria. It's a well known phenomenon in the psychiatric circles.
Have a little patience, wait until Apple releases their new firmware before bitching.
Note: Alleged Radio Engineer Bob Egan's statements wholly funded by Apple.
You're not too smart I see.
http://www.towergroup.com/research/a...m?authorId=332
Bob Egan is the Global Head of Research and Chief Analyst. Bob provides unified leadership direction for all matters related to the strategy, policies, best practices, and business operations of the research products group.
Bob has more than 30 years of experience in information technology. Before joining TowerGroup, he founded and led Mobile Competency, a boutique market analyst and consulting company focused on enterprise mobile and wireless technologies and solutions. He previously held corporate, product development, and technical leadership positions at Corechange, Gartner, Digital Equipment Corp., Waters Associates, Fenwal Inc and GTE Research Laboratories. As technical director for Emerging Technologies at Digital, he was responsible for some of the pioneering efforts in wireless LANs, data-over-cable TV, and mobile IP. As a vice president with Gartner Group, Bob received the firm's esteemed Thought Leadership Achievement Award. Wireless Review has called Bob Egan the "Market Maker," and Technology Marketing Group named him one of the top six most influential industry analysts.
Bob has written hundreds of articles and reports on the mobile industry, and his comments have been featured in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Forbes, Business Week, and Fortune as well as on ABC News, CNBC, BBC TV, and The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. A graduate of Wentworth Institute and Bryant College, he is a member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers and is a NARTE board-certified electromagnetic engineer. Bob is one of the original authors of the IEEE 802.11 Wireless LAN standard underlying Wi-Fi.
how come Apple has not commented on it?
If my company had just released a product and CR did not recommend it.
I would comment on that.
I know Apple does not comment on much. Accept when stuff isn't true.
Remember that Steve Jobs back and forth mail thing a couple of weeks ago some guy tried to sell.
They came out and said that was fake.
I guess they are hoping this will die down. Or scrambling to figure out what the problem is.
If they had known about this before hand, why did they not put the seam on the bottom?
This whole thing is crazy. COMMENT ON IT.
I know they sent out a pressrelease. But that did not mention the seam did it?
It just said, all phones does this.
One more thing. My 3GSs baseband is fubar after 4.0. 3G service jumps up and done like never before. Something is not right. Why mess with it in the first place. It worked fine.
I'm sure you mean: biased. Or is that why you lolled?
If you'd bought some of the fridges and dishwashers they have recommended over the years so would you!
Yeah, I don't really want to jump on the CR bashing bandwagon, but, as has been pointed out before, if you actually know something about products of a given type, one will find that the reviews on CR tend to focus on irrelevant features and rarely end up recommending the product a knowledgeable consumer would choose. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.
Their reviews can be, or at least in the past (pre-WWW) were, sometimes useful for comparing certain things across products, when that information was otherwise hard to come by, but certainly not definitive statements of which is actually the best product.
That being said, it doesn't tell us specifically whether their iP4 testing is valid or not.
If CR is such a known and respected organization,
how come Apple has not commented on it?
Well because Apple knows the issue is real and if CR found the issue, which they did, Apple would look even worse then they already do now on this issue, if that's possible. Moreover Apple rarely comment on stuff like this.
You're not too smart I see.
http://www.towergroup.com/research/a...m?authorId=332
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
But how important is it that we the consumers know what the cause is? Fundamentally, the result is that "holding it wrong" drops calls. As a buyer, I don't really care too much *what* causes it so long as Apple comes up with a no-cost remedy.
As a consumer, your only concern should be: Does this product fit my needs?
There is no perfect product, though there may be a product perfect for an individual. It seems ironic that ones that hate on Apple the most are the same ones that hold Apple and their products to a standard not achievable in this Universe with consumer electronics.
I've tested the hell out of my iPhone 4 and it's still the best phone I've ever used. Are there things I would change to suit my needs? Absolutely, but I'll save my laundry list of wishes for threads pertaining to next year's device.
People have been complaining about the iPhone as a phone since day one. They've also been complaining about the lack of a physical keyboard. You learn to use it or you don't. Apple isn't required to screw it's case making partners to give you a free Bumper. There is no entitlement here, everyone has the choice ? has always had the choice ? to buy or not to buy and to return if it doesn't suit their needs. I did that with my iPad because of a Safari SW bug. If they resolve that and up it to 512MB RAM I'll consider buying again, but I'm not seeking a lawsuit for damages because the fragile world I live was shattered.
It's not that he isn't smart... This piece just happens to disagree with his stance. Had Bob corroborated CR's story, he'd be singing a different tune. Easy.
It doesn't matter anyway. Like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, even if on occasion he is right, no one believes him.
I thought the biggest problem for the iPhone 4 is that they're selling faster than Apple can make them.
I'd say it was the antenna, what with 791 people viewing this thread and all..
As a consumer, your only concern should be: Does this product fit my needs?
Do I need to make phone calls and want a highly reliable way of doing that? If the answer to that is yes, then no. 'Cause the iPhone isn't highly-releaible in that department. The Nexus One is similarly not highly-releaible in that department. So neither of them are suited to that type of customer. If you're a guy who make a lot of important calls, get something else. Or get a 3G S.