People need to do some more research on what happen in 11th September 2001. Really folks, reality actually is a LOT different than what the mass media have been telling you.
Below are some the things that some of you need to check out.
The stuff above aren't completely correct, but... those things will at least give you some extra information to be processed.
Please don't think that I'm anti United States for saying this kind of thing, I'm not, if I were, I won't using this Apple Power Macintosh 7500/100.
What I want is... For some of you to think about some things, things that might be relevant but wasn't revealed by the mass media to the general public.
As for using nukes.
Why not? Eradicating and leveling an entire area is a very effective way. And it's not like that it hasn't been done before.
Like Sodom and Gomorrah for example.
But then again, that place was really a screwed up place, and I'm a REALLY screwed up place.
As for the rule to even out the odds.
If you mean something like.
?You kill my brother, I will kill you.?
Agree. IF the killing of your brother isn't an accident and isn't done for the right reason.
Like for example. Person A killed person B and it isn't an accident and isn't done for the right reason. Person C, who's the son of person B is outraged and is very upset over the death of his father and wanted person A DEAD! Then yes, person C should kill person A.
Note: Person C should kill person A directly and shouldn't let other people do the killing for him.
Of course, if person C decided to spare the life of person A and person A become a good person later on. Hey. There's nothing wrong with that either.
But... What happen if person A killed person B is because he was told by person D to kill person B.
Should person A killed person D?
No. Why? Because person D isn't the one who killed person B. Why should person D be killed also?
<strong>What exactly is the connection between racial profiling and genocide?
Kind of toned down your accusations a bit, have you?
Don't be stupid, it's irritating. If you simply must be stupid don't talk to people who aren't. Stay in your circle of idiots with this blather.
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I am a patriot and I love my nation. I don't care if people look down on me for loving my nation. But nuclear attacks on civilian populations because of a terrorist attack... absolute lunacy.
It does not play it down. Like I said she called for ethnic cleansing. That is not so far from genocide. Genocide is only few steps down the chain of reaction.
As far as the O'Reilly show goes, well ... it is my personal credibility at stack, you don't have to believe it so long as I fail to reference it. If you do not think that there are stupid people in the US who would call for such a thing or believe in it, that is your problem with superiority feelings.
Life is about chain of actions and reactions. When you grow wise enough, you will realize that throwing words such as "stupid" is not recommended in discussions. Unless of course you are here to show how superior you're in thoughts and vista. If so, that is what you are after, then I will delightfully take the word "stupid" and I leave you with the better than my IQ score.
When nukes are next used in anger it will break the enormous taboo that has built up since the end of WW2. So far there hasn't been an attack against the US or its allies so horrific as to require at least considering a nuclear response.
The argument that using a nuclear weapon would necessarily kill many thousands of innocent people is mistaken. Nuclear weapons can be designed to have a very low explosive yield. If you attacked a remote and/or buried site - think Libyan chemical weapon factory - the damage to civilians from direct blast effects or radiation would probably be quite slight.
If you think nuclear attack was a reaction to 9/11 with a valid argument then you're an idiot, plain and simple. By no stretch of the imagination was that a reasonable thing to do. There can be no logical arguments made to that extent.
As for an argument against nuking nations of innocents for the actions of terrorists, look at the rate of terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 9/11... non-existant.
jakkorz:
I will recommend that you don't engage in debates like this until you have a better grasp of the English language. I am assuming that English isn't your first language because "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are the same thing.
[quote]If you do not think that there are stupid people in the US who would call for such a thing or believe in it, that is your problem with superiority feelings.<hr></blockquote>
Sure there are. The original poster was stupid enough to assert that there is a "valid argument" for a nuclear attack after 9/11. There are people who think that, yes, but you mentioned specific people and that's a heavy charge to throw out.
Would you not mind if I accused you of being a murderer and child rapist and my only way of backing it up was to say "there are murderers and child rapists in the world."?
[quote]Unless of course you are here to show how superior you're in thoughts and vista.<hr></blockquote>
I am here to discuss things and refute things. You post your accusations and I will post mine.
Anders:
There wouldn't be much left of a plane going that speed hitting a reinforced building like the Pentagon.
Then there's the entire matter of that flight disappearing along with the people on board...
If you think nuclear attack was a reaction to 9/11 with a valid argument then you're an idiot, plain and simple. By no stretch of the imagination was that a reasonable thing to do. There can be no logical arguments made to that extent.
As for an argument against nuking nations of innocents for the actions of terrorists, look at the rate of terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 9/11... non-existant.
jakkorz:
I will recommend that you don't engage in debates like this until you have a better grasp of the English language. I am assuming that English isn't your first language because "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are the same thing.
I am here to discuss things and refute things. You post your accusations and I will post mine.
Anders:
There wouldn't be much left of a plane going that speed hitting a reinforced building like the Pentagon.
Then there's the entire matter of that flight disappearing along with the people on board...
: the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of ethnic minorities by a dominant majority group
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One entry found for genocide.
Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
Function: noun
Date: 1944
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
- geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective
They are wrong!
A lesson in English (your native language)
Just so that you would understand better how to get a clue at the meaning of words, I suggest that you always look for prefixes and post-fixes. They help a lot to decipher many words and technical definitions.
Post-fix -cide stands for extermination, killing, etc. e.g. insecti-cide, sui-cide, homo-cide, etc.
Ethnic cleansing is used in the language as a synonym for genocide. A term popularized in the U.S. (specifically) around the time of the genocidal tribe wars in Rwanda.
I commend your ability to use the dictionary. The word "faggot" means a small bundle of sticks, but oddly enough that's not what the word "means" in English.
I see absolutely no legal or moral justification whatsoever for us to nuke Afghans or anybody else who may be responsible for 9-11.
I don't see a reason to nuke Iraq either if it turns out that they were involved with the 9-11 attack. But, I would support conventional warfare to topple the Iraq leadership if it does turn out they were involved.
<strong>Ethnic cleansing is used in the language as a synonym for genocide. A term popularized in the U.S. (specifically) around the time of the genocidal tribe wars in Rwanda.
I commend your ability to use the dictionary. The word "faggot" means a small bundle of sticks, but oddly enough that's not what the word "means" in English.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not only are you right, but you are always right. (I hope this is what he wanted me to confess!)
<strong>"Always" is a bit much%2¦OP827ll settle for 95-96% of the time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are Infallible. (Why does he feel bad that a none native speaker, like he thinks I am, could understand and carefully chose words better than he does in his natively spoken language!)
<strong>People need to do some more research on what happen in 11th September 2001. Really folks, reality actually is a LOT different than what the mass media have been telling you.
Below are some the things that some of you need to check out.
This is why I hate the internet. Any fool can put anything they want on it, and people believe. It's on the iternet after all! And, hey, where's the link about the very obvious absence of an aircraft in that field in PA? Could it be that crater is from a meteorite? Or maybe Canada was lobbing missles at us?!
[quote]<strong>Like Sodom and Gomorrah for example.
But then again, that place was really a screwed up place, and I'm a REALLY screwed up place.
Well, we did everything short of dropping the bomb on those guys. If you have not looked up a daisy cutter recently i suggest you go look it up now. Many consider it to be as bad as a small nuke, without the nasty side effects (radiation for example). <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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Below are some the things that some of you need to check out.
Hunt the Boeing:
<a href="http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm</a>;
Jet fuel fire, melted steel?:
<a href="http://world.care2.com/jmcmichael/files/"; target="_blank">http://world.care2.com/jmcmichael/files/</a>;
No suicide bombers:
<a href="http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/carolvalentine.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/carolvalentine.htm</a>;
Information about the United States' Air Defense:
<a href="http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43updates3.html"; target="_blank">http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43updates3.html</a>;
The stuff above aren't completely correct, but... those things will at least give you some extra information to be processed.
Please don't think that I'm anti United States for saying this kind of thing, I'm not, if I were, I won't using this Apple Power Macintosh 7500/100.
What I want is... For some of you to think about some things, things that might be relevant but wasn't revealed by the mass media to the general public.
As for using nukes.
Why not? Eradicating and leveling an entire area is a very effective way. And it's not like that it hasn't been done before.
Like Sodom and Gomorrah for example.
But then again, that place was really a screwed up place, and I'm a REALLY screwed up place.
As for the rule to even out the odds.
If you mean something like.
?You kill my brother, I will kill you.?
Agree. IF the killing of your brother isn't an accident and isn't done for the right reason.
Like for example. Person A killed person B and it isn't an accident and isn't done for the right reason. Person C, who's the son of person B is outraged and is very upset over the death of his father and wanted person A DEAD! Then yes, person C should kill person A.
Note: Person C should kill person A directly and shouldn't let other people do the killing for him.
Of course, if person C decided to spare the life of person A and person A become a good person later on. Hey. There's nothing wrong with that either.
But... What happen if person A killed person B is because he was told by person D to kill person B.
Should person A killed person D?
No. Why? Because person D isn't the one who killed person B. Why should person D be killed also?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I love all the physics and thermodynamics lessons we've been getting on this subject from activist journalists.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I, for one, don't think you're anti-American, digix, I just think you're a fool if you believe any of those idiotic links.
Anyone that doesn't think our executive branch didn't have exactly the same argument on 9/11 and afterwards has got to be kidding.
And wow, goverat, EVERYONE must be dumb compared to you!!!
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
[quote]Originally posted by digix:
<strong>
Hunt the Boeing:
<a href="http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm</a>;
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I wondered about this too looking on the pictures 911. Do anyone have a picture that actually show the Boeing or parts of it?
<strong>What exactly is the connection between racial profiling and genocide?
Kind of toned down your accusations a bit, have you?
Don't be stupid, it's irritating. If you simply must be stupid don't talk to people who aren't. Stay in your circle of idiots with this blather.
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I am a patriot and I love my nation. I don't care if people look down on me for loving my nation. But nuclear attacks on civilian populations because of a terrorist attack... absolute lunacy.
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It does not play it down. Like I said she called for ethnic cleansing. That is not so far from genocide. Genocide is only few steps down the chain of reaction.
As far as the O'Reilly show goes, well ... it is my personal credibility at stack, you don't have to believe it so long as I fail to reference it. If you do not think that there are stupid people in the US who would call for such a thing or believe in it, that is your problem with superiority feelings.
Life is about chain of actions and reactions. When you grow wise enough, you will realize that throwing words such as "stupid" is not recommended in discussions. Unless of course you are here to show how superior you're in thoughts and vista. If so, that is what you are after, then I will delightfully take the word "stupid" and I leave you with the better than my IQ score.
I hope that makes your day.
The argument that using a nuclear weapon would necessarily kill many thousands of innocent people is mistaken. Nuclear weapons can be designed to have a very low explosive yield. If you attacked a remote and/or buried site - think Libyan chemical weapon factory - the damage to civilians from direct blast effects or radiation would probably be quite slight.
If you think nuclear attack was a reaction to 9/11 with a valid argument then you're an idiot, plain and simple. By no stretch of the imagination was that a reasonable thing to do. There can be no logical arguments made to that extent.
As for an argument against nuking nations of innocents for the actions of terrorists, look at the rate of terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 9/11... non-existant.
jakkorz:
I will recommend that you don't engage in debates like this until you have a better grasp of the English language. I am assuming that English isn't your first language because "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are the same thing.
[quote]If you do not think that there are stupid people in the US who would call for such a thing or believe in it, that is your problem with superiority feelings.<hr></blockquote>
Sure there are. The original poster was stupid enough to assert that there is a "valid argument" for a nuclear attack after 9/11. There are people who think that, yes, but you mentioned specific people and that's a heavy charge to throw out.
Would you not mind if I accused you of being a murderer and child rapist and my only way of backing it up was to say "there are murderers and child rapists in the world."?
[quote]Unless of course you are here to show how superior you're in thoughts and vista.<hr></blockquote>
I am here to discuss things and refute things. You post your accusations and I will post mine.
Anders:
There wouldn't be much left of a plane going that speed hitting a reinforced building like the Pentagon.
Then there's the entire matter of that flight disappearing along with the people on board...
If you're interested in reading a larger topic regarding this, <a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=28609695&m=3140912793&; p=1" target="_blank">Go here</a>.
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
<strong>SDW:
If you think nuclear attack was a reaction to 9/11 with a valid argument then you're an idiot, plain and simple. By no stretch of the imagination was that a reasonable thing to do. There can be no logical arguments made to that extent.
As for an argument against nuking nations of innocents for the actions of terrorists, look at the rate of terrorist attacks against the U.S. since 9/11... non-existant.
jakkorz:
I will recommend that you don't engage in debates like this until you have a better grasp of the English language. I am assuming that English isn't your first language because "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are the same thing.
I am here to discuss things and refute things. You post your accusations and I will post mine.
Anders:
There wouldn't be much left of a plane going that speed hitting a reinforced building like the Pentagon.
Then there's the entire matter of that flight disappearing along with the people on board...
If you're interested in reading a larger topic regarding this, <a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=28609695&m=3140912793&; p=1" target="_blank">Go here</a>.
[ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are right. Genocide == Ethnic Cleansing.
Merriam-Webster <a href="http://www.m-w.com"; target="_blank">www.m-w.com</a>
One entry found for ethnic cleansing.
Main Entry: ethnic cleansing
Function: noun
Date: 1992
: the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of ethnic minorities by a dominant majority group
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One entry found for genocide.
Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
Function: noun
Date: 1944
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
- geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective
They are wrong!
A lesson in English (your native language)
Just so that you would understand better how to get a clue at the meaning of words, I suggest that you always look for prefixes and post-fixes. They help a lot to decipher many words and technical definitions.
Post-fix -cide stands for extermination, killing, etc. e.g. insecti-cide, sui-cide, homo-cide, etc.
Peace, my enthusiastic human brother.
I commend your ability to use the dictionary. The word "faggot" means a small bundle of sticks, but oddly enough that's not what the word "means" in English.
Teh B0mB si guD fore teh Teroritz. Fsk1ng Terarists!
K THX BYE
I see absolutely no legal or moral justification whatsoever for us to nuke Afghans or anybody else who may be responsible for 9-11.
I don't see a reason to nuke Iraq either if it turns out that they were involved with the 9-11 attack. But, I would support conventional warfare to topple the Iraq leadership if it does turn out they were involved.
<strong>You're an idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree 100%.
In response to the thread title (what would happen if we dropped the bomb?):
The world would end. Plain and simple.
<strong>Ethnic cleansing is used in the language as a synonym for genocide. A term popularized in the U.S. (specifically) around the time of the genocidal tribe wars in Rwanda.
I commend your ability to use the dictionary. The word "faggot" means a small bundle of sticks, but oddly enough that's not what the word "means" in English.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not only are you right, but you are always right.
<strong>"Always" is a bit much%2¦OP827ll settle for 95-96% of the time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are Infallible.
<strong>
Someone's been watching Swordfish.
J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
My thoughts exactly. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>People need to do some more research on what happen in 11th September 2001. Really folks, reality actually is a LOT different than what the mass media have been telling you.
Below are some the things that some of you need to check out.
Hunt the Boeing:
<a href="http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm</a>;
etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is why I hate the internet. Any fool can put anything they want on it, and people believe. It's on the iternet after all! And, hey, where's the link about the very obvious absence of an aircraft in that field in PA? Could it be that crater is from a meteorite? Or maybe Canada was lobbing missles at us?!
[quote]<strong>Like Sodom and Gomorrah for example.
But then again, that place was really a screwed up place, and I'm a REALLY screwed up place.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
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could you please explain your thinking here?
<strong>first: I think that nuclear weapons are NEVER justified
</strong><hr></blockquote>
can we get a double bold underlined text enlargement option here?